Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

I just got oil in your water. I win again!!!!

Yeah, sure, you're a real winner.

 

[hobelim]

Rather than refusing worship, Jesus accepted it, as it was viewed as an act of faith and recognition of his divinity.

No. It was a common way to show respect as it is in Japan and calling Jesus Lord was also just an expression of respect which amounts to calling Jesus Sir which is not about worship.

So yes, Jesus is Sir!


Putz.

 

[hadit]

No. It was a common way to show respect as it is in Japan and calling Jesus Lord was also just an expression of respect which amounts to calling Jesus Sir which is not about worship.

So yes, Jesus is Sir!


Putz.

Again, you replace words to maintain your narrative. And you WILL do it, either willingly or not.

 

[hobelim]

2 Thessalonians 2:7–12 describes people who are deceived into following the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) rather than believing in the divine Christ.

No. Its the Antichrist that is a human being that claimed to be divine. A mangod. Which is what you worship at church, a trinity that became a mangod, a false substitute ascetic Jesus with all the powerful signs and "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally.

 

[hobelim]

None of those few are atheists

Bullshit.

You might realize this being such a believer but it IS better to be an atheist than to profane the name of God, perjure yourself in his name, defy his commands, commit idolatry, and worship a trinity that became a sacrificial supernatural magical mangod who paid the penalty for YOUR SINS which does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. Dunce.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus is an idol

Yes. Thats why Jesus compared himself to the bronze serpent that Moses lifted up for the people to turn to for healing during the time of testing in the wilderness, John 3:14, which became the object of idolatry until Hezekaih was born, the child of the verse "a young maiden shall conceive", who "did what was right in Gods eyes" and destroyed the serpent.

Heres the thing; If it was right for Hezekiah to destroy the bronze statue that God told Moses to make during the time of testing in the wilderness, it was never right to turn to it for healing.

So all that Christians have to do is ask themselves, " What would Hezekiah do." And do it.

 

[hobelim]

I’m pointing out the prevalence of antisemites among the Left.

Even though the far right have been brainwashed by thinly veiled Nazi propaganda disguised as white Christian nationalism which is exactly what WW2 Nazi fascists claimed to be?

 

[hobelim]

Again, you replace words to maintain your narrative. And you WILL do it, either willingly or not.

I did not replace words. I provided a synonym for Lord which apparently flew above your addled head.

Jesus is Lord! Jesus is Sir! Jesus is Master! Jesus is Guv! Jesus is Monsieur! Jesus is Señor!

Praise God! Amen! Hallelujah! Woo hoo! Oink oink! Moo moo! Arf arf! Ooh ooh ahh ahh!

 

[hadit]

Yes. Thats why Jesus compared himself to the bronze serpent that Moses lifted up for the people to turn to for healing during the time of testing in the wilderness, John 3:14, which became the object of idolatry until Hezekaih was born, the child of the verse "a young maiden shall conceive", who "did what was right in Gods eyes" and destroyed the serpent.

Heres the thing; If it was right for Hezekiah to destroy the bronze statue that God told Moses to make during the time of testing in the wilderness, it was never right to turn to it for healing.

So all that Christians have to do is ask themselves, " What would Hezekiah do." And do it.

Let's see if we have this correct.

1. The Israelites are plagued by venomous snakes biting them.
2. God commands that a metal snake be crafted and people look to it for healing.
3. The people do so and they are healed, by God's explicit command.
4. Only when the snake becomes an idol and people worship it does God command it be destroyed.

This to you means that "it was never right to turn to it for healing". This reveals the depth of your perverting the Word. The Israelites were COMMANDED to turn to it for healing and they WERE healed. Surely, even YOU can see where you went wrong.

 

[hobelim]

This reveals the depth of your perverting the Word. The Israelites were COMMANDED to turn to it for healing and they WERE healed. Surely, even YOU can see where you went wrong.

God sent a plague of serpents after they complained about the hardships of freedom and they died when bitten, just like many died when bitten by rabid TV preachers and evangelicals. Then they complained about that, so God told Moses to make a statue and for them to turn to it for healing and they recovered. First, a rational person would have questioned who complains about dying after being bitten by a serpent and dying? And then why would God tell them to turn to a statue of a serpent for healing when they were told to not turn to anything made by human hands UNLESS IT WAS A TEST they failed miserably.

Turning to a statue of a serpent made by human hands for healing was idolatry from the start.

There are a million ways to say FU. telling them to turn to a serpent was Gods way of saying FU.

 

[ding]

I think it's more sinister than that.

I agree. I think it is obvious to everyone.

 

[ding]

No. It was a common way to show respect as it is in Japan and calling Jesus Lord was also just an expression of respect which amounts to calling Jesus Sir which is not about worship.

So yes, Jesus is Sir!


Putz.

Let's as google AI.

Jesus is referred to as "Lord" (Kurios in Greek) to signify his divine authority, sovereignty over creation, and identity as God in human form. It serves as a confession of faith in his resurrection, acknowledging him as the supreme ruler, master, and savior, rather than just a teacher or prophet.

Key reasons Jesus is called Lord include:

• Declaration of Deity: After the resurrection, "Lord" became a title declaring Jesus' divinity, often equating him with the Old Testament Yahweh. Thomas addressed him as "My Lord and my God!".
• Supreme Authority: The title signifies that Jesus has all power and authority in heaven and on earth, requiring submission and obedience.
• Title of Respect and Master: During his ministry, it was used to show respect for a master, teacher, or healer.
• Sovereign Ruler: It acknowledges Jesus as King, to whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.
• Exaltation by God: Following his humility and crucifixion, God exalted Jesus and gave him the name above all names.

In the New Testament, confessing Jesus as Lord is fundamental to the Christian faith and is often connected to his resurrection and authority.

Big surprise google AI says you are wrong again.

 

[TNHarley]

Let's as google AI.

Jesus is referred to as "Lord" (Kurios in Greek) to signify his divine authority, sovereignty over creation, and identity as God in human form. It serves as a confession of faith in his resurrection, acknowledging him as the supreme ruler, master, and savior, rather than just a teacher or prophet.

Key reasons Jesus is called Lord include:

• Declaration of Deity: After the resurrection, "Lord" became a title declaring Jesus' divinity, often equating him with the Old Testament Yahweh. Thomas addressed him as "My Lord and my God!".
• Supreme Authority: The title signifies that Jesus has all power and authority in heaven and on earth, requiring submission and obedience.
• Title of Respect and Master: During his ministry, it was used to show respect for a master, teacher, or healer.
• Sovereign Ruler: It acknowledges Jesus as King, to whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.
• Exaltation by God: Following his humility and crucifixion, God exalted Jesus and gave him the name above all names.

In the New Testament, confessing Jesus as Lord is fundamental to the Christian faith and is often connected to his resurrection and authority.

Big surprise google AI says you are wrong again.

Its an allegory ding

 

[hobelim]

Let's as google AI.

Big surprise google AI says you are wrong again.

 

[ding]

No. Its the Antichrist that is a human being that claimed to be divine. A mangod. Which is what you worship at church, a trinity that became a mangod, a false substitute ascetic Jesus with all the powerful signs and "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally.

No, 2 Thessalonians 2:7–12 is literally calling you out as the anti-Christ for denying the divinity of Christ. IT'S YOUR DECEPTION WHICH MAKES YOU THE ANTI-CHRIST.

Google AI has literally concluded that the passage describes the opposite of believing in Christ's divinity; it describes those who are judged with deception for rejecting Him.

 

[ding]

Bullshit.

You might realize this being such a believer but it IS better to be an atheist than to profane the name of God, perjure yourself in his name, defy his commands, commit idolatry, and worship a trinity that became a sacrificial supernatural magical mangod who paid the penalty for YOUR SINS which does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence. Dunce.

You are an atheist and you do profane the name of God. Heck, forget his name, you profane God with your perversions.

 

[hobelim]

I think it's more sinister than that.

I agree. I think it is obvious to everyone.

Yes!

What could be more sinister than revealing the truth that you reek of cheap wine and vomit.

Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all "the nations" to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is THE SWORD that I am sending among them. Jeremiah 25:15




Bwahahaha!

 

[Clyde 154]

You said initially


Ty!

So, my question stands....

If I resisted and rejected Hitler, am I resisting God? God's will?

I don't think so, and I would question that interpretation.

Even though God may have allowed an Evil Person to be put in power or even ordained him in power for His purpose...

Those who are true to the Lord, must stay true, to the truth....and if that is resisting and rejecting a Hitler who was 'put in power' for say...a plan of God's that will end in good, or say the Antichrist when he receives his power to reign...for God's purpose to bring about the 2nd coming, in no way does the Bible teach that I am to follow the antichrist because he was put in to place to rule, by God....in all that I've read.

I don't know all of God's plans and why He allows things or does things, but what I do know is He wants us, to resist evil and stay true to His Word.

Again.......Asked and answered. Whether you reject or accept Hilter is moot.......unless you lived directly under His authority. If you would have lived and rejected Hitler.....the exact thing recorded in Romans 13:1 would have been your fate.

When you openly reject that authority you are at the mercy of the Authority you rejected, and "HE DOES NOT BEAR THE SWORD IN VAIN. (Romans 13) You would have been subject to that authority even up to and including the death penalty.

You have free will to make your own decisions/judgments. You are free to reject or accept Hitler in the context of documented history. Did you actually reject Hitler or are you presenting a STRAW ARGUMENT, a logical fallacy pretending that you rejected Hitler while He was in power? Regardless of your personal projections, Hitler received Judgment from the same authority that allowed His SOCIAL FASCISM to consume a great deal of Europe, the Middle East, and Africia. He was removed from authority through the wrath projected by other nations which were appointed by the same God.

Final thought: There is no man (with the exception of Jesus Christ, who lived and died by the letter of the law, sin free) who does not make judgments/decisions that end in Sin. If you logically follow out your personal objections in judging God and His judgments in appointing whom He will for what purpose He might decide to reveal to mankind.......you would have the CHRIST crucified and hung for no reason in vain

 

[hadit]

God sent a plague of serpents after they complained about the hardships of freedom and they died when bitten, just like many died when bitten by rabid TV preachers and evangelicals. Then they complained about that, so God told Moses to make a statue and for them to turn to it for healing and they recovered. First, a rational person would have questioned who complains about dying after being bitten by a serpent and dying? And then why would God tell them to turn to a statue of a serpent for healing when they were told to not turn to anything made by human hands UNLESS IT WAS A TEST they failed miserably.

Except they were healed when they obeyed God's command. You are basically saying that they should have disobeyed God and died. We all see it, but do you see how absurd is your contention?

Turning to a statue of a serpent made by human hands for healing was idolatry from the start.

Except they were healed when they obeyed God's command. It wasn't until they worshipped the snake that it became idolatry. Was them following the pillars of smoke and of fire idolatry? I am interested to hear your claim that it was.

There are a million ways to say FU. telling them to turn to a serpent was Gods way of saying FU.

Actually, He had a much better way, and you probably never read that portion of Scripture. I have, and Moses stood between God and the Israelites. God doesn't mess around.

You know, it's idly amusing watching you spin, spin and spin some more, desperately trying to convince everyone Scripture doesn't say what it clearly does say.

 

[ding]

Its an allegory ding

You mean like you stealing from your employer? Wait, no, that really happened. Nevermind.