Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

[Curried Goats]

Yes I did, he said his people did.

No. He said unlike Twitter they didn't ban it, they allowed their users to post about it they just manipulated how much prominence those posts received and if you watch his face Zuckerberg seemed giddy about finding a workaround to a complete ban. He was all on board. If you don't like that the establishment you frequent keeps letting the FBI in maybe consider finding another establishment to frequent.

 

[CowboyTed]

Small problem with this Thread...It is full of bullshit...

Europe is more progressive than the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party would be centre right in Western Europe,,,

All the Scandinavian Countries, UK and Ireland are considered to be more free than the US.. Germany is just a couple places off US..

So the premise is proven wrong.. Actually Democrats are more likely to increase freedom...

Freedom Index by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Marener]

The government sent their people there to yes, stop the free speech of political foes. That's a violation of our Constitution; it's government using a proxy to silence our free speech.

That’s a fantasy.

Turns out that social media companies don’t want to enable the harmful fringe conspiracy theories among far right whackos. They don’t want to be used by bad foreign actors to sway our elections. They don’t want to help snake oil salesmen harm public health for a cheap buck and internet fame.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Suppose Progressives win the Culture War. Then every website including this one will be faced with a choice of either banning anyone who disagrees with Progressives or being thrown off Internet.

This will not be achieved by government action, but by pressure on Social Media, web hosting providers, DDoS mitigation companies, etc. Thus the First Amendment will not be violated. Nevertheless, anyone who disagrees with Progressives will have no platform anywhere online.

Will that be a Free Society?

I think we need to start from the basics here.

Imagine anarchy. A society with no rules. You can do whatever you like. You have TOTAL FREEDOM.

That also means everyone else has total freedom. You want to kill someone, fine. No rules against that. Someone wants to kill you, fine. You better be able to defend yourself.

Protection will be important. People will join together in groups, leaders will emerge, and people will follow because their safety is the most important thing. The strong leading the weak. Strength in numbers.

So you'd end up with exactly the same as what exists today. Governments ruling over the people to provide them with security.

A "free society" is not "I can do whatever the fuck I like", there's LESS freedom in that than in a society like the US with rules that protect people. A "free society" is a balance. It's about having the most freedom possible, based on the FACT that you cannot have 100% freedom.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It takes oppression to force everyone to be the equal.
We can see how it is working in Cuba and North Korea.
The endless irony of the Left's version of "diversity" is that everyone is the same.
The Men are feminine, and the Women are masculine.

It takes oppression to force everyone to be the equal.

Well duh…
Bigots don’t go willingly or quietly.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I think we need to start from the basics here.

Imagine anarchy. A society with no rules. You can do whatever you like. You have TOTAL FREEDOM.

That also means everyone else has total freedom. You want to kill someone, fine. No rules against that. Someone wants to kill you, fine. You better be able to defend yourself.

Protection will be important. People will join together in groups, leaders will emerge, and people will follow because their safety is the most important thing. The strong leading the weak. Strength in numbers.

So you'd end up with exactly the same as what exists today. Governments ruling over the people to provide them with security.

A "free society" is not "I can do whatever the fuck I like", there's LESS freedom in that than in a society like the US with rules that protect people. A "free society" is a balance. It's about having the most freedom possible, based on the FACT that you cannot have 100% freedom.

Agree 100%.

Nevertheless, if one party secures all means of online communication, that would make our Society Totalitarian.

For a long time, all Social Media giants had a lot of Freedom -- like this forum. Then Progressives started whining about it and pressuring Social Media to ban anyone who disagrees with them. They succeeded to a great degree until Alternative Media started getting prominence.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I agree with Democrats on many issues.

Sadly, Democrats are the ones working to build a Totalitarian Society. They will do everything to ensure that only their opinions are represented online. This is classic Totalitarianism. Every Totalitarian regime in the XXth Century banned alternative points of view from Mass Media.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That’s a fantasy.

Turns out that social media companies don’t want to enable the harmful fringe conspiracy theories among far right whackos. They don’t want to be used by bad foreign actors to sway our elections. They don’t want to help snake oil salesmen harm public health for a cheap buck and internet fame.

Which we know is bullshit because people on the right have been kicked off when telling the truth that hurt the left.

But as I stated earlier, the Republicans will be looking into a lot of things next month, and I can't wait to hear what these 14 FBI agents turned whistleblowers have to say about all this. Maybe the real red wave will be what Musk is going to reveal along with those agents which may happen all at the same time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Agree 100%.

Nevertheless, if one party secures all means of online communication, that would make our Society Totalitarian.

For a long time, all Social Media giants had a lot of Freedom -- like this forum. Then Progressives started whining about it and pressuring Social Media to ban anyone who disagrees with them. They succeeded to a great degree until Alternative Media started getting prominence.

If one party secures all means of online communication, then they're doing a China. Simply said if that happens you have a one party state without any freedom of speech. The US is nowhere near that. I mean, so far from that it's impossible to imagine the US ending up there.
Get this. Elon Musk, starting to become a bit like Trump.

Elon Musk reinstates Donald Trump’s Twitter account after taking poll

‘The people have spoken,’ says site’s owner, having acknowledged during online poll that automated bots were voting too

www.theguardian.com

He reinstated Trump's twitter account. Then went and banned Kanye West's account.
Elon Musk suspends Kanye West from Twitter for inciting violence

Is Twitter all online communication? No. I don't use it, it's an awful thing.
Does anyone control anywhere near enough of the internet to have that power? No. Never will unless the government forces it on people, like WeChat in China.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

Yes.

And a conservative society would be one of authoritarianism and tyranny, devoid of freedom and liberty.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Small problem with this Thread...It is full of bullshit...

Europe is more progressive than the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party would be centre right in Western Europe,,,

All the Scandinavian Countries, UK and Ireland are considered to be more free than the US.. Germany is just a couple places off US..

So the premise is proven wrong.. Actually Democrats are more likely to increase freedom...

Freedom Index by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Yes, the Democrats are likely to increase freedom, such as pressuring people to buy healthcare plans they may not want, able to afford or need, or face the wrath of Big Brother. Freedom like not being able to work unless you take the government mandated shot. Freedom like making it illegal to sell non-electric automobiles that most can't afford which would put those people back on public transportation. Freedom like disarming the public so they have no defense against attackers on the street or in their home. Freedom like telling parents they have no right to say what is taught to their children in school.

Now I don't want to make it sound like it's all bad, so let's discuss the freedoms that Democrats provided which are for the freaks, flakes, weirdos and troublemakers of our society: The freedom for a boy to put on a dress and compete in female athletics in school, which include using their restrooms, changing rooms and showers. Freedom for teachers and schools to assist children of other people to begin sex change procedures without notifying the parents. Freedom to commit crimes like shoplifters in San Francisco unless they steal over $1,000 of merchandise a day. Freedom of invaders of our country to enter freely only to disappear never to be seen again. Freedom of people in prison to leave long before their sentence is complete like John Festerman wanted to do in PA, including adults who sexually molested children. Freedom for the ability to buy deadly drugs like fentanyl that killed over 107,000 Americans so far this year. Freedom to kill babies right up until they take their first breath.

I don't like your freedoms cowboy, I like ours better. Democrats are considered right of center of other countries that include places like Cuba, North Korea and Communist China.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No. He said unlike Twitter they didn't ban it, they allowed their users to post about it they just manipulated how much prominence those posts received and if you watch his face Zuckerberg seemed giddy about finding a workaround to a complete ban. He was all on board. If you don't like that the establishment you frequent keeps letting the FBI in maybe consider finding another establishment to frequent.

Let's see how the left feels when Twitter is an open forum welcoming opinions and stories from both sides.

 

[Curried Goats]

Let's see how the left feels when Twitter is an open forum welcoming opinions and stories from both sides.

Elon Musk suspends Kanye West from Twitter for inciting violence

 

[22lcidw]

Small problem with this Thread...It is full of bullshit...

Europe is more progressive than the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party would be centre right in Western Europe,,,

All the Scandinavian Countries, UK and Ireland are considered to be more free than the US.. Germany is just a couple places off US..

So the premise is proven wrong.. Actually Democrats are more likely to increase freedom...

Freedom Index by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

The people indigenous to Europe have been sold out by their own and by the centuries old powerful elites. The immigration into their nations has not fully turned into civil discourse. Mass poverty will change that.

 

[CowboyTed]

That’s a fantasy.

Turns out that social media companies don’t want to enable the harmful fringe conspiracy theories among far right whackos. They don’t want to be used by bad foreign actors to sway our elections. They don’t want to help snake oil salesmen harm public health for a cheap buck and internet fame.

It is kind of simpler than that...

First thing everyone has to know... Advertisers run the Internet, No Advertisers then effectively no Internet site...

The fastest growing website at the moment is Tic Toc which also has the highest regulation on posting and age profiles... Advertisers are going to them as they know there logo will not appear beside a holocaust denier...

Elon let Trump back and was indicating to let the liars and conspiracy theorists back too... Advertisers fled, if Elon wants to create a website of danger conspiracy theorists, How much does 8kun make in advertisiing?

 

[CowboyTed]

The people indigenous to Europe have been sold out by their own and by the centuries old powerful elites. The immigration into their nations has not fully turned into civil discourse. Mass poverty will change that.

What are you talking about?

Western Europeans have less poverty, live longer, are happier, better educated....

Europe has has immigration in for centuries... Get fucking real... Apart from Little Englanders & France there seems little problem.. UK has a PM of Indian decent... Ireland will have one of Pakistan decent in Jan. Sorry but how you deal with immigration is more important... Offering a top level education to all is thee countries deal with it.. That is too much for Right Wingers, they don't even want to educate their own citizens never mind immigrants.

 

[sparky]

Every Totalitarian regime in the XXth Century banned alternative points of view from Mass Media.

But every citizen does not realize the slow and insidious censoring that resulted in those countries becoming a totalitarian state

~S~

 

[CowboyTed]

Yes, the Democrats are likely to increase freedom, such as pressuring people to buy healthcare plans they may not want, able to afford or need, or face the wrath of Big Brother. Freedom like not being able to work unless you take the government mandated shot. Freedom like making it illegal to sell non-electric automobiles that most can't afford which would put those people back on public transportation. Freedom like disarming the public so they have no defense against attackers on the street or in their home. Freedom like telling parents they have no right to say what is taught to their children in school.

Now I don't want to make it sound like it's all bad, so let's discuss the freedoms that Democrats provided which are for the freaks, flakes, weirdos and troublemakers of our society: The freedom for a boy to put on a dress and compete in female athletics in school, which include using their restrooms, changing rooms and showers. Freedom for teachers and schools to assist children of other people to begin sex change procedures without notifying the parents. Freedom to commit crimes like shoplifters in San Francisco unless they steal over $1,000 of merchandise a day. Freedom of invaders of our country to enter freely only to disappear never to be seen again. Freedom of people in prison to leave long before their sentence is complete like John Festerman wanted to do in PA, including adults who sexually molested children. Freedom for the ability to buy deadly drugs like fentanyl that killed over 107,000 Americans so far this year. Freedom to kill babies right up until they take their first breath.

I don't like your freedoms cowboy, I like ours better. Democrats are considered right of center of other countries that include places like Cuba, North Korea and Communist China.

You just wanted to focus on Democrats and try and make yourself the victim..

Democrats want to make

• Healthcare affordable and not connected to your employer so you have the freedom to work where you want to work.
• Want all Employees to work beside people they know are vaccinated and thus not infecting everyone else..
• Freedom to not get polluted and sick by emissions
• Freedom to know that mentally insane people don't get their hands on guns which were designed to kill a lot of people fast.
• Freedom for making the child the priority in education and teaching them what they need to know. Not what their parents have been scared into believing.

That is why those European Countries have been placed as more free. The thing is you can't show a mass Transgender issue... Please tell us how many actual under 18 students go through transgender operation while in High School? How many actually compete in athletes?... Mass Shooting are far more real..

 

[sparky]

so just what metric applies would be my Q?

~S~

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

In a progressive society people will not be allowed to own firearms.
In a progressive society government will be able to mandate what kind of medication you have to take.
In a progressive society you will not be able to express your political views online unless it agrees with theirs.
In a progressive society you will not be able to use any fossil fueled vehicles or lawn care equipment.
In a progressive society the minority will always control the majority.
In a progressive society there will be no wealthy people except those in government. Industry will have to share all their profits with their workers.