Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

[Failzero]

Hell yes conservatives do. Are you not paying attention? Just take for instance the many lawsuits conservatives, including Trump, have filed saying just that.

Like the Far Left & Left Democommies 37 Lawsuits to Stop Trump from building the Wall ?

 

[boedicca]

Progressivism is just a flavor of Totalitarianism.

 

[Marener]

Like the Far Left & Left Democommies 37 Lawsuits to Stop Trump from building the Wall ?

You mean the wall that had no legislative authorization?

Still, it is completely off topic. Has absolutely nothing to do with a “free society” (unless you think eminent domain is opposed to a free society, which we probably should mention)

 

[Burgermeister]

Suppose Progressives win the Culture War. Then every website including this one will be faced with a choice of either banning anyone who disagrees with Progressives or being thrown off Internet.

This will not be achieved by government action, but by pressure on Social Media, web hosting providers, DDoS mitigation companies, etc. Thus the First Amendment will not be violated. Nevertheless, anyone who disagrees with Progressives will have no platform anywhere online.

Will that be a Free Society?

They have won the culture war.

 

[Failzero]

Progressivism is just a flavor of Totalitarianism.

The way Socialism & Fascism are flavors of Communism

 

[boedicca]

The way Socialism & Fascism are flavors of Communism

All three of those are subspecies of Totalitarianism.

 

[Man of Ethics]

So freedom to you is being allowed to use other people's property against their wishes?

GoDaddy Is Booting A Site That Sought Anonymous Tips About Texas Abortions

I guess you a right to a degree -- no site can be forced to host views they do not like.

Nevertheless, if all online platforms are controlled by one side, then we do not have Freedom.

 

[Curried Goats]

I guess you a right to a degree -- no site can be forced to host views they do not like.

Nevertheless, if all online platforms are controlled by one side, then we do not have Freedom.

I'm right completely. If all the platforms are controlled by one side its because the opposition doesn't care enough to build their own server farms. Look to the telephone company for the equivalent. The phone company shouldn't be allowed to deny you the ability to make phone calls because you're Republican just as no internet provider should be allowed to deny you internet services based on your political beliefs, but that doesn't mean anyone is required to answer your calls or host your website.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm right completely. If all the platforms are controlled by one side its because the opposition doesn't care enough to build their own server farms. Look to the telephone company for the equivalent. The phone company shouldn't be allowed to deny you the ability to make phone calls because you're Republican just as no internet provider should be allowed to deny you internet services based on your political beliefs, but that doesn't mean anyone is required to answer your calls or host your website.

The problem (as you probably already know) is that it's difficult to become more popular than people on the ground floor like Facebook and Twitter. Now that Musk bought Twitter, the left are screaming like it's the end of the Fn world.

Now there is suspicion that government did get involved in manipulating their parameters. Oh, the FBI didn't send goons down there to threaten them, but they did tell them to censor conservative media and posts (wink-wink) in a very subtle way.

More will come out about that in the coming months once the gavel is in the other parties hands. There are over 14 FBI or former agents that turned whistleblower that are ready to testify how the agency became an extension of the Democrat party.

 

[Curried Goats]

The problem (as you probably already know) is that it's difficult to become more popular than people on the ground floor like Facebook and Twitter. Now that Musk bought Twitter, the left are screaming like it's the end of the Fn world.

Seems more like the left is pointing and laughing at Musk for over paying 40 billion for Twitter so he can become the internet's saddest edgelord.

You are not owed popularity you Dipshit. You have to work for it.

Now there is suspicion that government did get involved in manipulating their parameters. Oh, the FBI didn't send goons down there to threaten them, but they did tell them to censor conservative media and posts (wink-wink) in a very subtle way.

Zuckerberg didn't accuse the FBI of strong arming him, he bragged about working with them. It's not against the law to work in conjunction with the FBI.

More will come out about that in the coming months once the gavel is in the other parties hands. There are over 14 FBI or former agents that turned whistleblower that are ready to testify how the agency became an extension of the Democrat party.

Sure they are. What crime are they alledging?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No, it would be an enslaved society.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Seems more like the left is pointing and laughing at Musk for over paying 40 billion for Twitter so he can become the internet's saddest edgelord.

You are not owed popularity you Dipshit. You have to work for it.

Zuckerberg didn't accuse the FBI of strong arming him, he bragged about working with them. It's not against the law to work in conjunction with the FBI.

Sure they are. What crime are they alledging?

Not a crime but it's unconstitutional for government to use other entities to proxy violate our rights. I never said anybody was owed popularity. What I said is that it's impossible to compete with entities that were the first in the market to produce a product. Parlor opened up and while I don't understand it, Goggle was able to shut them down. Parlor had the same intent as Musk. They wanted a much less censored social media for political use.

 

[Curried Goats]

Not a crime but it's unconstitutional for government to use other entities to proxy violate our rights.

Violation of what rights? You have no rights to other people's property. Facebook belongs to Zuckerberg and if he wants work with the FBI on his property that is his right you clueless moron.

I never said anybody was owed popularity. What I said is that it's impossible to compete with entities that were the first in the market to produce a product. Parlor opened up and while I don't understand it, Goggle was able to shut them down. Parlor had the same intent as Musk. They wanted a much less censored social media for political use.

Competition is only impossible when you are prevented by force from competing. What you are describing is not the impossible but the difficult. Parlor isn't as popular because decent people don't want to be associated with Trump's clubhouse of mutant deplorables. Google only stopped hosting Parlor for download on their property. You can download Parler directly from their website.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Violation of what rights? You have no rights to other people's property. Facebook belongs to Zuckerberg and if he wants work with the FBI on his property that is his right you clueless moron.

My Lord, trying to discuss such issues with public school people. Yes we have rights. It's called the US Constitution you imbecile. You never heard of something called the Bill of Rights???

In it is what's called Freedom of Speech. What that means is that government can't stop you from speaking nor can they do it proxy using a third party. Do you know who the FBI is? THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!

Competition is only impossible when you are prevented by force from competing. What you are describing is not the impossible but the difficult. Parlor isn't as popular because decent people don't want to be associated with Trump's clubhouse of mutant deplorables. Google only stopped hosting Parlor for download on their property. You can download Parler directly from their website.

That had nothing to do with it. Simply use another engine to solve that problem. No, they just shut them down period.

 

[Curried Goats]

My Lord, trying to discuss such issues with public school people. Yes we have rights. It's called the US Constitution you imbecile. You never heard of something called the Bill of Rights???

You ever heard of a red herring? We were talking about what rights you have on Facebook.

In it is what's called Freedom of Speech. What that means is that government can't stop you from speaking nor can they do it proxy using a third party. Do you know who the FBI is? THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!

You have no freedom of speech on other people's property which is what Facebook is you moron. Facebook is Zuckerbergs property. If he wants to invite the FBI on to it what the fuck is it to you?

That had nothing to do with it. Simply use another engine to solve that problem. No, they just shut them down period.

You obviously don't know much of anything. Parler is actually back on the Google play store after they bent over and agreed to start moderating for incitement of violence.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You have no freedom of speech on other people's property which is what Facebook is you moron. Facebook is Zuckerbergs property. If he wants to invite the FBI on to it what the fuck is it to you?

He didn't invite the FBI, they came to him. WTF would he invite the FBI to anything?

The government sent their people there to yes, stop the free speech of political foes. That's a violation of our Constitution; it's government using a proxy to silence our free speech.

 

[Curried Goats]

He didn't invite the FBI, they came to him. WTF would he invite the FBI to anything?

The government sent their people there to yes, stop the free speech of political foes. That's a violation of our Constitution; it's government using a proxy to silence our free speech.

Is Zuckerberg accusing them of strong arming him? Where's the proof?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Is Zuckerberg accusing them of strong arming him? Where's the proof?

No, they went to Suckerberg and told him "beware of a dump of (wink-wink) Russian disinformation." If you need the video of the Suckerberg video, just ask.

 

[Curried Goats]

No, they went to Suckerberg and told him "beware of a dump of (wink-wink) Russian disinformation." If you need the video of the Suckerberg video, just ask.

I watched the video you moron. Zuckerberg says he didn't ban it. Did you watch the interview?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I watched the video you moron. Zuckerberg says he didn't ban it. Did you watch the interview?

Yes I did, he said his people did.