Zone1 Worry about God's judgement of you

[ding]

Oh, mighty one, then explain why God gave men Nipples.

He didn't. God willed creation into existence. That's it. It is finely tuned to produce life and intelligence. No designing necessary. This is a life breeding intelligence creating universe because the constant presence of mind made it so. He doesn't turn knobs or push buttons or hold design reviews. Maybe you are confusing monotheism with polytheism.

 

[Slyhunter]

Couldn't care less. What do you think that proves?

Because... There have been 5 stages of evolution of space and time; cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution, biological evolution and evolution of consciousness.

In his book, "The Phenomenon of Man" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in a Christ consciousness. He limited his observations to biological evolution but the same observation can be made about all stages of the evolution of space and time. The complexification of matter increased until it naturally and logically made the leap to the next stage. The last and final stage of evolution of space and time is consciousness. So it seems logical that consciousness would also increase in complexity until it to made the leap to the next stage which Chardin describes as Christ consciousness.

1. The universe began as a soup of subatomic particles and radiation and naturally and logically complexified into hydrogen and helium. This is what is called the cosmic stage of the evolution of space and time.
2. Hydrogen and helium then naturally and logically complexified into structures like stars and galaxies. This is what is called the stellar stage of the evolution of space and time.
3. From the life cycle of galaxies and stars all of the other elements and compounds were naturally and logically formed. This is what is called the chemical stage of the evolution of space and time.
4. As chemical evolution naturally and logically complexified the leap to biological life was made. This is what is called the biological stage of the evolution of space and time.
5. As life logically and naturally evolved and complexified the leap to consciousness was made. This is what is called the conscious stage of of the evolution of space and time.

So we can see that each successive stage of the evolution of space and time complexified until it made the leap to the next stage. And it did so naturally and logically. So Chardin's assumption that consciousness will make the leap to a Christ consciousness is logical because it presumes that consciousness will evolve and complexify and make the leap to the next level because every other stage of the evolution of space and time did so too before it.

But the Bible says God was here first then created the Universe, not the other way around. So you agree the Bible is a work of fiction, then.

https://dangerousintersection.org/2010/11/29/human-imperfections-as-proof-that-we-evolved/

 

[ding]

doing what a god wants you to do instead of what you want to do is making you slave to that being.

God's been giving you instructions on what to do? Tell me about that. Does he call? Send letters? What?

 

[Donald H]

doing what a god wants you to do instead of what you want to do is making you slave to that being.

I don't disagree with that. I'm just not believing that charity work is so commendable when it's being done for self-fulfillment. Other than the fact that good work gets done.

In Meri's case, I believe she's doing that. If one is making a sacrifice, for example, missing a classical music concert because of a commitment to charity work, that becomes something different.

 

[ding]

But the Bible says God was here first then created the Universe, not the other way around. So you agree the Bible is a work of fiction, then.

https://dangerousintersection.org/2010/11/29/human-imperfections-as-proof-that-we-evolved/

Have you never heard of the big bang? Do you not know the universe literally popped into existence?

 

[Slyhunter]

He didn't. God willed creation into existence. That's it. It is finely tuned to produce life and intelligence. No designing necessary. This is a life breeding intelligence creating universe because the constant presence of mind made it so. He doesn't turn knobs or push buttons or hold design reviews. Maybe you are confusing monotheism with polytheism.

That's not what the bible says.
He made the light, the earth, the animals, the man who was lonely so the woman. So if the man wasn't lonely, he would've never created the woman? And if they hadn't eaten the apple, they would've been the only two humans on the planet?

 

[Donald H]

But the Bible says God was here first then created the Universe, not the other way around. So you agree the Bible is a work of fiction, then.

https://dangerousintersection.org/2010/11/29/human-imperfections-as-proof-that-we-evolved/

The winning tactic with Ding is telling him that science has now reached back to earlier than the big bang. That disproves their claim that the big bang was creation.

You see, his church thought that all the contradictions could be put to rest by accepting it as creation!

And then modern science blew it all up in their faces. That is, for the few who:

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

99% of them stick with the old literally correct bible version and don't make waves. It's when they make waves that they get themselves mired in the mud.

 

[Slyhunter]

I don't disagree with that. I'm just not believing that charity work is so commendable when it's being done for self-fulfillment. Other than the fact that good work gets done.

In Meri's case, I believe she's doing that. If one is making a sacrifice, for example, missing a classical music concert because of a commitment to charity work, that becomes something different.

Good works don't get you into Heaven, only Christ can clean your soul prior to letting you in. How does he do that? I believe he removes all your memories so you enter into Heaven as a blank slate. I am the sum of my actions, the things I learned not only from my successes but also from my failures. To remove those from me would make me not me anymore.

 

[Slyhunter]

Have you never heard of the big bang? Do you not know the universe literally popped into existence?

So you are not a creationist then. You aren't a Christian. You sound more like an Atheist.

 

[Meriweather]

It would be a guess for me but at least it would be better than wild, considering that you have shared some of your personal information with me.

I'm not going to share my personal information with these people but I could tell you the reasons why the people I volunteered to work alongside were there. It was for personal fulfillment and satisfaction. I know you are no different. You can tell me the details in your case if you like?

What I caught you up with is the personal information I've shared on the board several times already. Those who listen or remember have caught that I've found life perplexing and have gone through some difficult times (as most have, so I'm not unique in that regard). Basically, scripture has guided me through some tough times, and there have been a few miracles along the way. We are here to know God, love, God, serve God. You might describe that as fulfilling some 'need'; I call it the joy and blessings in knowing, loving, and serving God.

 

[Slyhunter]

The winning tactic with Ding is telling him that science has now reached back to earlier than the big bang. That disproves their claim that the big bang was creation.

You see, his church thought that all the contradictions could be put to rest by accepting it as creation!

And then modern science blew it all up in their faces. That is, for the few who:

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

I believe other Universes existed before ours. Maybe the black Holes or Super Novas in one Universe creates other Universes? Maybe our Universe spreads so far apart that travel between places becomes impossible, and thus the need to create other Universes as stars in ours die.

 

[Slyhunter]

What I caught you up with is the personal information I've shared on the board several times already. Those who listen or remember have caught that I've found life perplexing and have gone through some difficult times (as most have, so I'm not unique in that regard). Basically, scripture has guided me through some tough times, and there have been a few miracles along the way. We are here to know God, love, God, serve God. You might describe that as fulfilling some 'need'; I call it the joy and blessings in knowing, loving, and serving God.

I admit that I miraculously, via luck or watchdogs, was saved from dying often in my past. I've always had what I need when I needed it, usually after I gave up trying to get it. But, I find beliefs in any specific Religion a crutch for the feeble-minded. It brings you peace to believe such things, but maybe we weren't meant for peace.

 

[Donald H]

What I caught you up with is the personal information I've shared on the board several times already. Those who listen or remember have caught that I've found life perplexing and have gone through some difficult times (as most have, so I'm not unique in that regard). Basically, scripture has guided me through some tough times, and there have been a few miracles along the way. We are here to know God, love, God, serve God. You might describe that as fulfilling some 'need'; I call it the joy and blessings in knowing, loving, and serving God.

I wasn't aware of being 'caught up'?

I don't believe in miracles but I won't scoff at you and behave badly if you choose to talk about miracles.

I might have to go with Ding to the Bull room for a while but I'm not going to allow him to waste my time on his slagging.

 

[Meriweather]

I think people grieve for themselves having to do without the departed, either financially or personally. Everybody dies and feeling sorry for them dying is kind of ridiculous when all the Religions believes it is their path to going unto a better place. It might now be a better place, it simply might be going to another place or no place.

Grieving is centered on loss. I was given a glimpse of that better place, but being happy for loved ones enjoying a great place still leaves a lot of room for loss. It's not just the loss of a person(s) it is the finality of loss of times past, times we will never get back, even if that person had not passed on. There is the loss of times that will never be.

That you think I was sorry for them because they died is a truly clueless thought. It makes no sense.

 

[Donald H]

I believe other Universes existed before ours. Maybe the black Holes or Super Novas in one Universe creates other Universes? Maybe our Universe spreads so far apart that travel between places becomes impossible, and thus the need to create other Universes as stars in ours die.

Good for you.
My point is that it sinks the creation myth.

So far, they are choosing to leave it along, but I expect they're working up a rebuttal based on something like 'science and religion can't be discussed together.

I'm very pleased that you're getting some enjoyment out of all this!

 

[Donald H]

Grieving is centered on loss. I was given a glimpse of that better place, but being happy for loved ones enjoying a great place still leaves a lot of room for loss. It's not just the loss of a person(s) it is the finality of loss of times past, times we will never get back, even if that person had not passed on. There is the loss of times that will never be.

Yes, it's your personal loss.

 

[Donald H]

How about that you are a subversive on a mission to subordinate Christianity? Would you care to debate that with me?

But do we disagree? Do you agree with the definition of subversive?

seeking or intended to subvert an established system or institution:

As in the Christian established witchcraft.

That's good with me.

Subordinate?
Science's subordinate.
Yes on that too.

 

[ding]

That's not what the bible says.
He made the light, the earth, the animals, the man who was lonely so the woman. So if the man wasn't lonely, he would've never created the woman? And if they hadn't eaten the apple, they would've been the only two humans on the planet?

People with a 140 IQ don't read allegorical accounts literally.

 

[ding]

The winning tactic with Ding is telling him that science has now reached back to earlier than the big bang. That disproves their claim that the big bang was creation.

You see, his church thought that all the contradictions could be put to rest by accepting it as creation!

And then modern science blew it all up in their faces. That is, for the few who:

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

99% of them stick with the old literally correct bible version and don't make waves. It's when they make waves that they get themselves mired in the mud.

We should debate that in the bull ring.

 

[ding]

So you are not a creationist then. You aren't a Christian. You sound more like an Atheist.

It only seems that way to you because you lack intelligence.