Zone1 Worry about God's judgement of you

[Slyhunter]

Doing something because it is the right thing to do is the very definition of the fear of judgement. What if you get something wrong!!! You will probably judge yourself more harshly than anyone else, and what you fear more than God's judgement, is your own judgement.

Yeah, it is difficult to forget or forgive stuff I did in the past before I was on Bipolar meds. I do my best to not allow the past to color the future, or you might as well have no future.

How we differ is that I tend to family, co-workers, community, not because it is "right" but because I love doing it, love being there. I have a feeling I would have never asked you for help. There is a big difference from getting help from those who know helping me is the "right" thing to do even though they don't want to, and those who help because they actually want to.

I don't enjoy much of anything. Before I was medicated, I enjoyed finishing a project or beating a game. After I was medicated, I stopped having any strong emotions and I did things simply to continue making me a person I'd be willing to live with. I helped my sister and her two kids because I would hate myself if I turned my back on them. I did my Duty and my job for 19 years raising those kids and now it is over.

 

[Meriweather]

Helping is or was making a sacrifice for Skyhunter, while helping for you is fulfilling a personal need. Neither should be criticized.

Not quite. Skyhunter and I are talking about judgement and the part doing what is 'right' plays. Skyhunter claims that people of faith do what is right because they are fearful of judgement. He says he has no fear of judgement and he does what is right because it is the right thing to do. I challenge his assertion that people of faith are fearful of judgement (and fearful of death). We're not, but among agnostics and atheists it sure seems a popular (yet mistaken) conclusion about people of faith. I also challenge that doing what is right simply because it is right is not the better end all and be all of human existence.

What personal need do you imagine I am fulfilling?

 

[Meriweather]

I don't enjoy much of anything. Before I was medicated, I enjoyed finishing a project or beating a game. After I was medicated, I stopped having any strong emotions and I did things simply to continue making me a person I'd be willing to live with. I helped my sister and her two kids because I would hate myself if I turned my back on them. I did my Duty and my job for 19 years raising those kids and now it is over.

I have no experience with being on medications, so I can only imagine what life is like while on meds. About ten years ago, five people close to me died in a very tight time frame. One of the most terrible things about it is that while I recognized I was grieving, I didn't know who, specifically, that grief was for. I kept thinking that each of my loved ones were deserving of their own grief. I had no emotion but grief, but that is the closest I can get to your experience. What helped (eventually) was noting tiny joys...a sparkling dewdrop on a blade of grass, a small flower peaking out of frost... I don't know if paying attention to the very little things can break through your medications, but I thought I would offer it to you.

 

[Slyhunter]

Not quite. Skyhunter and I are talking about judgement and the part doing what is 'right' plays. Skyhunter claims that people of faith do what is right because they are fearful of judgement. He says he has no fear of judgement and he does what is right because it is the right thing to do. I challenge his assertion that people of faith are fearful of judgement (and fearful of death). We're not, but among agnostics and atheists it sure seems a popular (yet mistaken) conclusion about people of faith. I also challenge that doing what is right simply because it is right is not the better end all and be all of human existence.

What personal need do you imagine I am fulfilling?

Doing what is right based on someone's else's judgement, even a so-called god, is not as good as doing what is right based on your own judgement.

 

[Slyhunter]

I have no experience with being on medications, so I can only imagine what life is like while on meds. About ten years ago, five people close to me died in a very tight time frame. One of the most terrible things about it is that while I recognized I was grieving, I didn't know who, specifically, that grief was for. I kept thinking that each of my loved ones were deserving of their own grief. I had no emotion but grief, but that is the closest I can get to your experience. What helped (eventually) was noting tiny joys...a sparkling dewdrop on a blade of grass, a small flower peaking out of frost... I don't know if paying attention to the very little things can break through your medications, but I thought I would offer it to you.

I think people grieve for themselves having to do without the departed, either financially or personally. Everybody dies and feeling sorry for them dying is kind of ridiculous when all the Religions believes it is their path to going unto a better place. It might now be a better place, it simply might be going to another place or no place.

Like Multi-verses, all the TV shows believe they are alternate Universes. But why? Going to other planets doesn't mean going to alternate planets, just different planets. Why would other Universes be any different? They're just other Universes.

 

[Slyhunter]

I am sadden that nobody has even attempted to answer the question of why Men have Nipples?
Humans are imperfect in design, we have many body parts that do us no good, or ill. This is a sign of evolution creation, not creation from dirt and ash by a perfect being.

 

[Donald H]

Not quite. Skyhunter and I are talking about judgement and the part doing what is 'right' plays. Skyhunter claims that people of faith do what is right because they are fearful of judgement. He says he has no fear of judgement

He's wrong about that. Most by far are fulfilling a personal need, as you do.

and he does what is right because it is the right thing to do.

I wouldn't argue with that as another lesser reason.

I challenge his assertion that people of faith are fearful of judgement (and fearful of death). We're not, but among agnostics and atheists it sure seems a popular (yet mistaken) conclusion about people of faith.

I would suggest that the Ark story and possibly other stories' message is to instill fear. But I don't think that has continued to work at that intended effect. Now the message is something else, that I've still not heard.

I also challenge that doing what is right simply because it is right is not the better end all and be all of human existence.

As an atheist I can't argue with that. To me it's as expressed by Richard Dawkins in his, 'Selfish Gene'.

What personal need do you imagine I am fulfilling?

It would be a guess for me but at least it would be better than wild, considering that you have shared some of your personal information with me.

I'm not going to share my personal information with these people but I could tell you the reasons why the people I volunteered to work alongside were there. It was for personal fulfillment and satisfaction. I know you are no different. You can tell me the details in your case if you like?

One of my experiences was working for Habitat for Humanity. Then I found out that it's purpose was to make money for the church and not to benefit the future homeowner in the least.

 

[ding]

I am sadden that nobody has even attempted to answer the question of why Men have Nipples?
Humans are imperfect in design, we have many body parts that do us no good, or ill. This is a sign of evolution creation, not creation from dirt and ash by a perfect being.

Maybe go to a creationist's website. This isn't the droid you are looking for.

 

[ding]

I think people grieve for themselves having to do without the departed, either financially or personally. Everybody dies and feeling sorry for them dying is kind of ridiculous when all the Religions believes it is their path to going unto a better place. It might now be a better place, it simply might be going to another place or no place.

Like Multi-verses, all the TV shows believe they are alternate Universes. But why? Going to other planets doesn't mean going to alternate planets, just different planets. Why would other Universes be any different? They're just other Universes.

You've been watching too much Rick and Morty.

 

[Donald H]

I think people grieve for themselves having to do without the departed, either financially or personally. Everybody dies and feeling sorry for them dying is kind of ridiculous when all the Religions believes it is their path to going unto a better place. It might now be a better place, it simply might be going to another place or no place.

You have it! They're not grieving for the dead, they're grieving for their own misfortune.

Like Multi-verses, all the TV shows believe they are alternate Universes. But why? Going to other planets doesn't mean going to alternate planets, just different planets. Why would other Universes be any different? They're just other Universes.

If there's a message in that, I don't understand it? Maybe it needs to be rewritten, or maybe it's too deep for me?

 

[Donald H]

I am sadden that nobody has even attempted to answer the question of why Men have Nipples?
Humans are imperfect in design, we have many body parts that do us no good, or ill. This is a sign of evolution creation, not creation from dirt and ash by a perfect being.

Your speculating is right on target for this board. Don't spend time being serious with Ding. He's only serving to show the dark side of Christians.

His abusive behaviour comes from him knowing himself that he's living lies.

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

 

[Donald H]

Doing what is right based on someone's else's judgement, even a so-called god, is not as good as doing what is right based on your own judgement.

Think about that again. Doing what the god wants you to do, is no worse than doing what you do for personal fulfillment.
I'm not suggesting it's any better though.

 

[ding]

Your speculating is right on target for this board. Don't spend time being serious with Ding. He's only serving to show the dark side of Christians.

His abusive behaviour comes from him knowing himself that he's living lies.

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

He's like you. He's not spending anytime being serious. Neither of you possess the necessary intelligence for serious discussions. That's why you make up all kinds of ridiculous and idiotic arguments. Anytime you want to have a serious discussion we should have it in the bull ring so I can have my way with you for all to see. I think you're kinda pretty.

 

[ding]

You have it! They're not grieving for the dead, they're grieving for their own misfortune.

If there's a message in that, I don't understand it? Maybe it needs to be rewritten, or maybe it's too deep for me?

To an atheist love, hate, anger, grief, etc are just chemical reactions in the brain, right? They aren't extant attributes of reality which exist independent of man, right?

Do you tell your kids that you chemically react them?

But really the saddest thing about atheism is the fatalism it breeds in its adherents. There's no joy or love or happiness in their life. There's only the satisfaction of material needs and primitive urges. You might as well grab a bag of cheetos and rub one out as that's as good as it gets in the life of an atheist.

 

[Slyhunter]

Maybe go to a creationist's website. This isn't the droid you are looking for.

Why Do Men Have Nipples? | Live Science

 

[Slyhunter]

Think about that again. Doing what the god wants you to do, is no worse than doing what you do for personal fulfillment.
I'm not suggesting it's any better though.

doing what a god wants you to do instead of what you want to do is making you slave to that being.

 

[Slyhunter]

He's like you. He's not spending anytime being serious. Neither of you possess the necessary intelligence for serious discussions. That's why you make up all kinds of ridiculous and idiotic arguments. Anytime you want to have a serious discussion we should have it in the bull ring so I can have my way with you for all to see. I think you're kinda pretty.

Oh, mighty one, then explain why God gave men Nipples.

 

[Donald H]

He's like you. He's not spending anytime being serious. Neither of you possess the necessary intelligence for serious discussions. That's why you make up all kinds of ridiculous and idiotic arguments. Anytime you want to have a serious discussion we should have it in the bull ring so I can have my way with you for all to see. I think you're kinda pretty.

Can you think of a topic for debate in which we disagree? I know of none anymore.

Except the 'main' question on whether or not there's a god.

I'll go with you now, no matter what you decide on! And I'm going to set the bar low on your appropriate behaviour too.

 

[ding]

Why Do Men Have Nipples? | Live Science

Couldn't care less. What do you think that proves?

Because... There have been 5 stages of evolution of space and time; cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution, biological evolution and evolution of consciousness.

In his book, "The Phenomenon of Man" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in a Christ consciousness. He limited his observations to biological evolution but the same observation can be made about all stages of the evolution of space and time. The complexification of matter increased until it naturally and logically made the leap to the next stage. The last and final stage of evolution of space and time is consciousness. So it seems logical that consciousness would also increase in complexity until it to made the leap to the next stage which Chardin describes as Christ consciousness.

1. The universe began as a soup of subatomic particles and radiation and naturally and logically complexified into hydrogen and helium. This is what is called the cosmic stage of the evolution of space and time.
2. Hydrogen and helium then naturally and logically complexified into structures like stars and galaxies. This is what is called the stellar stage of the evolution of space and time.
3. From the life cycle of galaxies and stars all of the other elements and compounds were naturally and logically formed. This is what is called the chemical stage of the evolution of space and time.
4. As chemical evolution naturally and logically complexified the leap to biological life was made. This is what is called the biological stage of the evolution of space and time.
5. As life logically and naturally evolved and complexified the leap to consciousness was made. This is what is called the conscious stage of of the evolution of space and time.

So we can see that each successive stage of the evolution of space and time complexified until it made the leap to the next stage. And it did so naturally and logically. So Chardin's assumption that consciousness will make the leap to a Christ consciousness is logical because it presumes that consciousness will evolve and complexify and make the leap to the next level because every other stage of the evolution of space and time did so too before it.

So why don't you impress me with that supposed big brain of yours and actually write something intelligent for a change?

 

[ding]

Can you think of a topic for debate in which we disagree? I know of none anymore.

Except the 'main' question on whether or not there's a god.

I'll go with you now, no matter what you decide on! And I'm going to set the bar low on your appropriate behaviour too.

How about that you are a subversive on a mission to subordinate Christianity? Would you care to debate that with me?