Wind Turbines Contributing to Man Made Global Warming

[Crick]

People arguing that wind mills contribute more to global warming than the fossil fuel plants they replace are clearly demonstrating nothing but their own ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[elektra]

People arguing that wind mills contribute more to global warming than the fossil fuel plants they replace are clearly demonstrating nothing but their own ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Wind mills increase the use of coal and chemicals that come from oil.

That is a fact.

 

[ReinyDays]

LOL So you disagree with the Milankovitch Cycles. Yet almost all scientists say that it is broadly correct. So we are to think some anonymous poster knows more than the scientists at NASA.

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

climate.nasa.gov

NASA should submit this to a scientific journal and get it published ... it won't be accepted until NASA resolves which of the Milankovitch cycles is the causitive factor ... none of the periods line up with the ice core data ...

Also note that both obliquity and axial precession doesn't change insolation, eccentricity only slightly ... there will be seasonal differences but the annual averages will remain the same ... yes, we can average out these differences, especially over the 100-year time interval minimum for the study of climate ...

Readers of scientific journals know about math ... and correlation ... you understand neither ...

The only orbital mechanic that could effect climate would be perturbation, the gravitational effects of other bodies in the solar system other than the Sun and Moon ... it is unknown today whether this did have an effect ... the calculations involve solving the n-body gravity problem, which no one has yet ... even a very small force will perform much work if given enough time ... and time we have in plenty ...

 

[Grumblenuts]

Wind mills increase the use of coal and chemicals that come from oil.

That is a fact.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Point of order! Point of order! Word!

"Windmill" is one word.

 

[elektra]

That would have to be a 20,000,000 lbs of poop, to cover the 20,000,000 lbs of coal used to build a wind turbine

 

[Grumblenuts]

That would have to be a 20,000,000 lbs of poop, to cover the 20,000,000 lbs of coal used to build a wind turbine

Hate to break wind to ya, but I have such a turbine on my garage. Built it myself. No poop or coal required.

 

[Captain Caveman]

LOL You mean like those real scientists that attend the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union every year? You mean the real scientists that are members of the Geological Society of America, and state that AGU is real, and a clear and present danger? LOL

Scientists need funded somehow, why not jump onto the current social bandwagon and peddle the current tripe, those that say, "Hang on, that's not right", are sacked from the universities they belong to.

But, you have to go with the majority retards.

 

[elektra]

Hate to break wind to ya, but I have such a turbine on my garage. Built it myself. No poop or coal required.

Got to use coal to make copper, steel, and fiberglass, so yes, coal is required.

 

[Tax Man]

Got to use coal to make copper, steel, and fiberglass, so yes, coal is required.

Natural gas is used instead now a days.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Natural gas is used instead now a days.

A lot currently, yes. For now.. However, we are transitioning:

Copper is one of the best renewable resources. It is one of the few materials that can be recycled 100 percent over and over again without a loss in performance.

Renewable energy sources provide nearly one-quarter of the world’s power, and copper plays an important role in making it as efficient as possible with minimal impact on the environment.

And, obviously, electricity generated from wind and solar is and will continue being used to recycle (purify and extrude) copper for reuse as a commodity. Next, steel:

While the WSA points out that “in the last 50 years, the steel industry has reduced its energy consumption per tonne of steel produced by 60 percent” and notes that steel is infinitely reusable, and that “new” steel typically contain 30percent recycled steel on average the traditional methods of iron and steel production are becoming untenable — at least if we want to mitigate its impacts on climate change. What’s more, the International Energy Agency estimates that global steel production will grow by a third by 2050, which will only compound the industry’s environmental impacts. That’s where fossil-free steel comes in.

Take HYBRIT (Hydrogen Breakthrough Ironmaking Technology), for example. This process has been developed as a joint venture between three Swedish companies: SSAB, which makes steel, energy company Vattenfall, and LKAB, which mines iron ore. Rather than using coking coal and a blast furnace to convert raw iron ore into metallic iron, the HYBRIT method uses hydrogen generated from renewable energy sources and a technique known as direct reduction, which lowers the amount of oxygen contained within the ore without heating it above the metal’s melting point, to create sponge iron.

Next, fiberglass:

Siemens Gamesa calls its RecyclableBlade “the world’s first wind turbine blade that can be recycled at the end of its lifecycle,” and a “milestone” for the wind industry. But other companies are also working to keep turbine blades from filling landfills. In May 2021, wind turbine maker Vestas said it had a new technology to recycle blades (that company also has a goal to make zero-waste wind turbines by 2040). Startups like Global Fiberglass Solutions can press blades into fiber boards for flooring and walls.

Hopeless naysayers and fossil fuel apologists are a dime a dozen. Too lazy to even search for existing alternatives rather than reflexively yap their crap.

 

[Crick]

Got to use coal to make copper, steel, and fiberglass, so yes, coal is required.

You seem to be intentionally behind the times. Why?

 

[Tax Man]

You seem to be intentionally behind the times. Why?

Conservative ignorance?

 

[elektra]

Natural gas is used instead now a days.

Coke supplements the natural gas to increase the heat. You can not create

A lot currently, yes. For now.. However, we are transitioning:

And, obviously, electricity generated from wind and solar is and will continue being used to recycle (purify and extrude) copper for reuse as a commodity. Next, steel:

Next, fiberglass:

Hopeless naysayers and fossil fuel apologists are a dime a dozen. Too lazy to even search for existing alternatives rather than reflexively yap their crap.

I hate to break this to you, but that method you mention, if not for steel, it is not for HSS, HY-80 HY-100 or any of the many stainless steels.

It is not simply the heat that coke creates, that is needed. It is part of the chemical process in making steel. Nobody has come up with a way to make the high grade steels without coke.

Wind and Solar energy, do not run steel plants nor the blast furnaces for fiberglass. Never will. Currently, the power maximum has been reached, and has been reached, years ago. Currently, the only "scientific" advance Wind and Solar have proposed is to make more, and to make them bigger. Hardly science.

Too lazy to research? hahahahahah, you have not researched how steel is made or how coke is used in the process. You most likely do not realize you can not make polysilicon or fiberglass without coke.

Solar and Wind power can not power our houses today but you think tomorrow they will power our homes, and our industry?

That is a leap that even the Solar and Wind industry do not claim can be made.

 

[elektra]

You seem to be intentionally behind the times. Why?

You seem to be intentionally stupid, and as such, I can not ask why, for the stupid can not explain why or even realize that they are stupid.

 

[elektra]

A lot currently, yes. For now.. However, we are transitioning:

And, obviously, electricity generated from wind and solar is and will continue being used to recycle (purify and extrude) copper for reuse as a commodity. Next, steel:

electricity from wind and solar is not used to make copper, anywhere.

If you think so you should be able to easily find that link with google. So go ahead, post something other than opinion.

 

[elektra]

All modern technologies are dependent upon the supply of fossil fuels and fossil energy that made them possible. Similarly, every step in the production of solar PV requires an input of fossil fuels - as raw materials, as carbon reductants for silicon smelting, for process heat and power, for transportation, and for balance of system components. Regardless of any intentions, no quantity of banknotes or any number of mandates can yield a single watt of power unless a significant expenditure of raw materials and fossil energy takes place as well.

This article introduces readers to the many types of fossil fuels that are used in PV
production, and notes some of the other fossil energy inputs that are necessary before the delivery
of a solar PV array can take place.

“Globe Metallurgical produces high purity silicon metal...Reactants consisting of coal, charcoal,
petroleum coke, or other forms of coke, wood chips, and quartz are mixed and added at the top of each
furnace...The submerged electric arc process is a reduction smelting operation...At high temperatures
in the reaction zone, the carbon sources react with silicon dioxide and oxygen to form carbon monoxide
and reduce the ore to the base metal silicon...The facility is a major source of emissions of sulfur dioxide,
carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride and nitrogen oxides“

However, even if 100% free energy were available for all these processes, the ongoing production of PV is still heavily dependent on a supply of elemental carbon, which comes primarily from fossil fuels

2. Why is carbon needed for solar PV production? Elemental silicon (Si) cannot be found by itself anywhere in nature. It must be extracted from the
mineral quartz (SiO2) using carbon (C) and heat (from an electric arc) in the “carbothermic” (carbon
+ heat) reduction process called smelting (Si02 + 2C = Si + 2CO). Several commercially available solid fuels are typically used as carbon reductant sources in
silicon smelting. The smelting plant requires ~20 MWh of electricity and releases up to 5 - 6 tons
(t) of CO2 (and CO) for every ton of metallurgical grade (mg-Si) silicon that is smelted from ore. [6]

Thus, the first step of commercial solar PV production is gathering, transporting, and burning
millions of tons of coal, coke and petroleum coke - along with charcoal and wood chips made from
hardwood trees to smelt >97% pure mg-Si from quartz ore (silica rocks). [21-25]

 

[elektra]

No matter what any of the liberal-progressive-socialist-democrat-marxists think, and all their thinking and dreaming and worrying and fear-mongering is about tomorrow, they are wrong.

With all the "science" of the "chicken littles", there is nothing for today, everything is, "tomorrow we will find the solution to fix our failures of today.

 

[candycorn]

Strange...a few months ago when moderately cold Temperatures turned Texas into a frozen shit block....Windmills were blamed for that too.

 

[candycorn]

No matter what any of the liberal-progressive-socialist-democrat-marxists think, and all their thinking and dreaming and worrying and fear-mongering is about tomorrow, they are wrong.

With all the "science" of the "chicken littles", there is nothing for today, everything is, "tomorrow we will find the solution to fix our failures of today.

Your forgot to hurl in "commies"....apparently you missed your talking points for 23 October.