Will White Privilege End Affirmative Action?

[Circe]

It's totally welfare, but it's welfare for white people, so you are fine with it.

Absolutely.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And it's been my experience that the "minority owned business" is often just a middle man between the the the producer and the buyer.

That's exactly the case here, for example our test phones were made by Harris Dracon. We could buy them direct and get a fifteen percent quantity discount from list for quantity, but we had to buy from a minority owned business and pay over list. I can't remember for sure, but I think we paid twenty or twenty five percent over list.

 

[JoeBlow]

Today with a majority right wing supreme court thanks to 2 stolen seats due to ethically questionable tactics by Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Affirmative Action will be on the chopping block with odds looking very bad for it’s survival. Much of this is due to the tireless racism of one Edward Blum. Blum has tried countless times to end affirmative action. This time he has latched on to Asians to use in his maniacal quest to return America to white supremacy. Let us look at the particulars of Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. It is a case first filed in 2014.

In this case the contention is that Asians are being discriminated against based on number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 student each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots. That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians are being excluded for black and hispanic students. Ironically they aren’t being denied for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Title VI, “prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance.” Now this is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision of cases such as this.

When a case such as this goes to court there are many things the court considers. As it pertains to this case, First Circuit Court determined that Harvard’s policy satisfied “strict scrutiny” and did not discriminate against Asians relative to admissions. Strict scrutiny comes into play in equal protection cases such as this one because under the law, race is considered a suspect category therefore if race is used as a classification in situations like this one, it must be proven that using race is “necessary to further a compelling interest.”

It is time to look at Blums claim. He claims Asians are being discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full 10 percentage points more than African Americans(15.9%) and more than double the percentage of Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In addition, a study was published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com web site on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

So what we see here is that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for their race. The study shows that Asian admittance is not being stifled or reduced because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead we see that it is white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance being admitted at more than double the number of Asians, blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.

So will white privilege whereby a white man can whine for years to the supreme court bringing case after case of meritless crap, end affirmative action when the facts plainly show that more unqualified white students are being admitted into Harvard on preferences they get that non whites can't? Will white privilege whereby whites can pretend that race has nothing to do with legacy, deans interest lists and children of faculty/staff that are majority white win?

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

Singling our one race for worse treatment is the very definition of racist. At least admit it.

 

[IM2]

Singling our one race for worse treatment is the very definition of racist. At least admit it.

That is not happening. The problem with whites on the right is how they see equal opportunity is a zero sum game.

 

[IamZ]

That is not happening. The problem with whites on the right is how they see equal opportunity is a zero sum game.

Are blacks not equal to whites?

 

[IM2]

Are blacks not equal to whites?

How did you get psychosis?

 

[IamZ]

How did you get psychosis?

Do you always answer a question with a question? Delfecting?
I’m not gonna treat you like a retard like Democrats do, I think you’re smart enough to answer the question

 

[JoeB131]

Singling our one race for worse treatment is the very definition of racist. At least admit it.

I agree. But all Affirmative Action does is slightly compensate for the institutional discrimination against people of color.

White people aren't treated any worse because blacks are given fair shots at opportunity.

Are blacks not equal to whites?

Not really, in the way they are treated in academia, by law enforcement, and by business.

 

[IamZ]

I agree. But all Affirmative Action does is slightly compensate for the institutional discrimination against people of color.

White people aren't treated any worse because blacks are given fair shots at opportunity.



Not really, in the way they are treated in academia, by law enforcement, and by business.

So you don’t think blacks are equal to you..
lol ummm well this sums up who the racist are lol .. easy when they just admit it haha

 

[JoeB131]

So you don’t think blacks are equal to you..

I don't think ANYONE is equal to me, but that's not the discussion we are having here.

We are discussing whether or not blacks are equal to white in 21st Century America, and we still have a long way to achieve equality.

 

[IamZ]

I don't think ANYONE is equal to me, but that's not the discussion we are having here.

We are discussing whether or not blacks are equal to white in 21st Century America, and we still have a long way to achieve equality.

Wow what rights do you have that a black person doesn’t have? Or won’t allow?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I am on record saying that whites are still getting preferences while others are denied. That I'm not responsible crap doesn't play here.

No, you want special treatment and believe if someone that is BLACK should be hired even though they are not qualified for the job!

 

[IamZ]

I am on record saying that whites are still getting preferences while others are denied. That I'm not responsible crap doesn't play here.

Like what?

 

[IamZ]

I don't think ANYONE is equal to me,

So what makes your rights different then blacks?

 

[MizMolly]

Some black posters think if a black person is denied anything it is because of race. Whites are also denied the same things, what the reason? Not qualified, bad credit, lack of experience, background check, driving record, etc. it happens to everyone. I’m not saying everyone is fair, but I believe it’s more fair that credit is given. ASSuming is ridiculous.

 

[Lisa558]

Some black posters think if a black person is denied anything it is because of race. Whites are also denied the same things, what the reason? Not qualified, bad credit, lack of experience, background check, driving record, etc. it happens to everyone. I’m not saying everyone is fair, but I believe it’s more fair that credit is given. ASSuming is ridiculous.

Yup. Remember when Michelle Obama was all bent out of shape because someone at the Target asked her to get something off a shelf, and she was all offended that the “racist” assumed she worked there because she was black?

I‘ve been asked for help in stores, and simply tell the person I don’t work there. I don’t think, “hey, they just figured the Jew works here.”

 

[MizMolly]

Yup. Remember when Michelle Obama was all bent out of shape because someone at the Target asked her to get something off a shelf, and she was all offended that the “racist” assumed she worked there because she was black?

I‘ve been asked for help in stores, and simply tell the person I don’t work there. I don’t think, “hey, they just figured the Jew works here.”

Yep. People ask my husband to get things off top shelves because he is tall, and white. It doesn’t offend him lol

 

[Lisa558]

Yep. People ask my husband to get things off top shelves because he is tall, and white. It doesn’t offend him lol

LOL. I’m 5’4 and have asked white guys to get things off the shelf fairly often. I hope they’re not thinking “.hey, that woman thinks I work here because I’m white!”

 

[Circe]

Yup. Remember when Michelle Obama was all bent out of shape because someone at the Target asked her to get something off a shelf, and she was all offended that the “racist” assumed she worked there because she was black?

I‘ve been asked for help in stores, and simply tell the person I don’t work there. I don’t think, “hey, they just figured the Jew works here.”

Yes, I have occasionally asked for help getting stuff down from a high shelf, more often other customers who were tall, sometimes people working there. That was weird when the Obama woman did that, I remember her being very rude about it. Not a helpful person! Or graceful.

 

[Circe]

We've been talking around an interesting subject for days --- that blacks often take offense at white people treating them just the way they would other whites. Michelle Obama resenting a request for help, and people asking what a stray in their neighborhood is doing, are they lost or need help, or what. Whites know all this is normal, but blacks get mad about it. Chips on their shoulder. They need to stop all this and be more helpful.