Will robotics and Artificial Intelligence make an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement necessary?

Will A. I. and robotics make Basic Minimum Income Supplements necessary?

  • No

    Votes: 10 62.5%
  • Yes

    Votes: 4 25.0%
  • I do hope that B. M. I. style income supplements are put in place.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I hope that B. M. I. style income supplements are NOT put in place.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
    16
Five hundred dollars per month to all Canadian citizens and legal residents adds up to twenty billion dollars per month. If the Bank of Canada is used to create it in such a way that it does not create Compound Interest Owing over Time to big banks........ then within a few months as it turns over three or four times, it begins to pay down the Canadian federal deficit at the rate of about twenty billion dollars per month. Soon it will be paying down the Canadian federal debt at the rate of twenty billion dollars per month.

The same mathematics could work in the USA. Five hundred Dollars US per citizen per month, Unconditional and Not based on their last years income. That way there is almost zero need for bureaucracy.

If three hundred and fifty million Americans get five hundred dollars US per month that is created in the same way as the thirteen states created State Scrips, then soon the USA Federal deficit will begin to be paid down by one hundred and seventy five billion dollars per month.

This is extremely simple mathematics, not rocket science at all.
You're suggesting monetizing the debt by printing money and giving it away, assuming that it will turn over at an average rate of twice per month, with some form of taxation bringing a percent of it back to the government that printed it.

Since we're doing the math, what will be the average tax per turnover? In other words, that twenty billion turns over twice in the first month, what percent of it will be taxed each turn?

You are free to guess, provide statistics, or show that your prediction is based on fact, so long as you are up front about which you are doing.

Would the initial payout to citizens and legal residents by taxed at the point of dispersal, or would it have to be reported and the tax paid later?

To ask the obvious: Why not simply print the money and use it all to pay down the debt?
 
Exactly, The Bank of Canada is a Central Bank and thus does not need deposits by citizens.

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This idiotic claim is idiotic.
Private banks lend out their deposits.
 
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This idiotic claim is idiotic.
Private banks lend out their deposits.
But this is by THREE Economists who were risking their careers to make these assertions!

They also wrote a booklet entitled "The Deficit Made Me Do It" meaning that elected officials like to have a high national debt and a deficit, so that they can use to as an excuse to make cutbacks, [which is what their Neo-Malthusian handlers want them to do]!


"The Deficit Made Me Do It!" is a 1992 book by Harold Chorney, Ed Finn, John H. Hotson, and Mario Seccareccia, published by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. The booklet argues that the government uses the excuse of a budget deficit to justify cutting public services and job creation programs. The phrase itself has become a common political slogan used to criticize austerity measures justified by the need to reduce national debt
 
Five hundred dollars per month to all Canadian citizens and legal residents adds up to twenty billion dollars per month. If the Bank of Canada is used to create it in such a way that it does not create Compound Interest Owing over Time to big banks........ then within a few months as it turns over three or four times, it begins to pay down the Canadian federal deficit at the rate of about twenty billion dollars per month. Soon it will be paying down the Canadian federal debt at the rate of twenty billion dollars per month.

The same mathematics could work in the USA. Five hundred Dollars US per citizen per month, Unconditional and Not based on their last years income. That way there is almost zero need for bureaucracy.

If three hundred and fifty million Americans get five hundred dollars US per month that is created in the same way as the thirteen states created State Scrips, then soon the USA Federal deficit will begin to be paid down by one hundred and seventy five billion dollars per month.

This is extremely simple mathematics, not rocket science at all.

Five hundred dollars per month to all Canadian citizens and legal residents adds up to twenty billion dollars per month. If the Bank of Canada is used to create it in such a way that it does not create Compound Interest Owing over Time to big banks........ then within a few months as it turns over three or four times, it begins to pay down the Canadian federal deficit at the rate of about twenty billion dollars per month. Soon it will be paying down the Canadian federal debt at the rate of twenty billion dollars per month.

Causing hyperinflation will help pay down the debt.
But it's still stupid because hyperinflation is still bad.

This is extremely simple mathematics, not rocket science at all.

It's an extremely stupid idea.
 
But this is by THREE Economists who were risking their careers to make these assertions!

They also wrote a booklet entitled "The Deficit Made Me Do It" meaning that elected officials like to have a high national debt and a deficit, so that they can use to as an excuse to make cutbacks, [which is what their Neo-Malthusian handlers want them to do]!

What do you call three morons all pushing the same bad ideas?
 
Not just to me. Not just at this time.

It's a stupid idea.
You keep repeating it, but it's still stupid.

It isn't this idea that is stupid....
have you ever head of the word "Jubilee" that was initiated by Moses?

The entire concept of a Jubilee has probably not been kept by the Jewish people since the time of King David and King Solomon, but the idea is genius, it is just that it does not make sense to people who cannot remember back to the situation that King David and King Solomon set in motion.

Jubilee is in Leviticus chapter twenty five. A modern word for "Jubilee" may be Nesara - Gesara, so that President Trump will be able to sell the idea who could never accept the word "Jubilee."
 
What do you call three morons all pushing the same bad ideas?
OK, let's see if you can handle this very simple idea. Imagine you are living in 1932 in the City of Worgl Austria. Imagine that the Mayor and some elected officials get together and begin an experiment in economics that will later on be termed: "The Worgl Austria Local Money Experiment."

Would YOU have accepted a local currency scrip, under those circumstances?


[The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley] :

"City in Austria Printed Local Currency
Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.
Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.

Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks.

Time Dollars in Whatcom County"

[ The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley}
If the government of Austria had reacted differently to the Worgl, Experiment, the rise of Adolf Hitler and his NAZI Party might have been stopped?
 
It isn't this idea that is stupid....
have you ever head of the word "Jubilee" that was initiated by Moses?

The entire concept of a Jubilee has probably not been kept by the Jewish people since the time of King David and King Solomon, but the idea is genius, it is just that it does not make sense to people who cannot remember back to the situation that King David and King Solomon set in motion.

Jubilee is in Leviticus chapter twenty five. A modern word for "Jubilee" may be Nesara - Gesara, so that President Trump will be able to sell the idea who could never accept the word "Jubilee."

It isn't this idea that is stupid....

Yes, intentional hyperinflation is stupid.

have you ever head of the word "Jubilee" that was initiated by Moses?

You want to forgive all debt?
Excellent idea!!!
Could you lend me $1,000,000 first?

but the idea is genius,

To people who owe a lot of money, it sounds great.
To the people who saved their money to lend it to you, it sounds less great.
 
No. They'll still be morons.
No, but people like you will know that BigMedia and BigEducation and BigGovernment had managed to deceive you on the specifics of this, [especially under our rather extreme set of circumstances at this time, because Mo Gawdat is correct]. The next three decades could be a "Distopian Nightmare" if nobody with greater understanding of this than you have, gets elected.
 
No, but people like you will know that BigMedia and BigEducation and BigGovernment had managed to deceive you on the specifics of this, under our rather extreme set of circumstances, because Mo Gawdat is correct. The next three decades could be a "Distopian Nightmare" if nobody with greater understanding of this than you have, gets elected.

Three clowns managed to deceive you.
 
Three clowns managed to deceive you.
One of us is deceived....
either you or me... one of us is incorrect.

But I truly thank you for asking questions and giving me a chance to put those articles in front of you and the other readers here.
 
One of us is deceived....
either you or me... one of us is incorrect.

But I truly thank you for asking questions and giving me a chance to put those articles in front of you and the other readers here.

Yes, you should definitely keep posting articles calling for the hyperinflationary printing of money.
 
Yes, you should definitely keep posting articles calling for the hyperinflationary printing of money.
When productivity increases the opposite of inflation can occur.

Robotics and Artificial Intelligence will almost certainly greatly increase the productivity of USA and Canadian workers.

The Weimar Republic of Germany had hyper-inflation due to the production of consumer goods had been destroyed by the war. The Reparation payments to England and France pressured the Weimar Republic to print more money, but it was the lack of productivity that caused the hyper-inflation. The situation in the USA for the next decade seems to be very different as factors are dismantled in China and set up again in the continental USA.

[Chabad .org] : .... "If money creates inflation, shouldn't we have collapsed into the greatest hyperinflation ever? And yet, just a few years ago, we were struggling to maintain a 1% interest rate because inflation was falling below 1%.

With respect to Germany and Zimbabwe, money creation was the result of other circumstances that led to out of control money creation. Plane crashes are only possible in the context of flight, but flight is not the cause of crashes. Inflation happens in a system of money, but money does not cause inflation. Even in the case of Venezuela, which is probably as close as the modern era has come to this claim, as money was created with a over-reliance on oil markets maintaining high prices. When oil crashed, the Bolivar's value crashed, because it was oil that was giving it value. I think you could make the argument that the government knew or should have known that this could happen and creating money before the market crashed should have been considered potentially inflationary. The point is, that inflation is the result of a relative measure between currency created that is driving demand and the economies capacity to meet that demand.

In the US, today, I'd argue that higher prices are driving the creation of money, not the other way around."


1. The first thing Moshiach does is do away with bad marketing. That's the true villain that has held us back all these years. Ask any consumer electronics or computer engineer. We could all own household robots to do our work. We could be consuming less than 10% of the natural resources we consume now—if it weren't for those nefarious busy bodies who market quantity rather than quality. Given the true needs of most people and the productivity possible with modern technology, we should all be working an average of 2.5 hours a week. What's responsible for the other 60+ hours? Bad Marketing.

Moshiach's marketing people will get people's minds back on the right track. Thinking about real quality of life. About their relationship with the earth and with their bodies and their souls and the people around them. Once that's done, just about everything else we need to create paradise is here already.


 
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The rather brilliant Mo Gawdat does believe that B. M. I. is one of the only ways to prevent a pandemic of homelessness and poverty as robotics and A. I. make so many careers nearly obsolete.

I happen to believe that he is correct but I have some suggestions as to how this shift can be done in such a way that the greatest boom in PRODUCTIVITY of workers will be set in motion that will lead to the greatest economic boom that has ever been seen.





I believe that Economist Milton Friedman set the intellectual stage for what must happen next.




Now... it is important to not set this up in such a way that produces some sort of "Mark of the Beast" situation. Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown one version of how that error could well be made.

Problem is, what will people do? Will they form gangs and things like that? And not having kids will suddenly be a good thing
 
Problem is, what will people do? Will they form gangs and things like that? And not having kids will suddenly be a good thing

They will build a second home or cottage, outside of the city or suburb where their first home is.

That is only one part of the coming economic boom though.

David Wilkerson

"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.

Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and

nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it

all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by

people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of

becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.

Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to

all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

This is also available as a sermon from 1973.


 
How will they afford that? They won't be able to afford anything. They're not going to hand out much money.

That is exactly what this discussion is all about. Mo Gawdat says that B. M. I. is the only choice in front of us if we want to avoid a pandemic of homelessness and extreme poverty even in the USA and Canada. Actually, our P. M. Justin Trudeau set in motion a pandemic of homelessness that can be seen in the City of Hamilton. His primary tactic was to make it nearly impossible for Canadian workers and companies to produce houses, apartments and other forms of real wealth. C o v i d 1 9 was used as an excuse to attempt to shut down the economy.

It seems to me that the Trudeau administration wanted to shut down the economy much more strictly than they were able to do. They probably wanted to obey their boss Bill Gates who did the lecture "Innovating to zero."




Canada tells us of Covid21 -the plan now what is coming
 
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