Mo Gawdat predicts that A. I. will lead to B. M. I? Is he correct?

Will Robotics and Artificial Intelligence lead to B. M. I?

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  • Yes, but we need to know that three hundred and fifty million Americans own the USA Dollar!

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  • Yes, but we must listen to Economist Milton Friedman on how to do this.

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I will repeat to you what I tell everybody else that tries that stupid game. And I mean exactly as I said.

Bowel Movement, as in it's a pile of crap.

Trying to twist what I say into something else to follow your beliefs is almost always a failure. As far as I can see, AI is just another "Buzzword Bubble", just like "Internet" and "Computers" before that. Mostly propagated by people that do not really understand it, but are pushing it for reasons based on either a fantasy, or to make money.

And just like the "Dot Com" bubble and all the ones before it, eventually this one is going to pop and leave behind a bunch of people with nothing to show for it.

I have been involved in IT for over five decades now. And the best way for me to explain this in the way I view it is as the following:

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I am old enough to remember those and earlier "Tech Bubbles". One of the first and most obvious was the "Computer Bubble" of the early 1980s. When you had everybody from Tandy and Timex to freaking Mattel and the Connecticut Leather Company and the BBC rushing to make computers. In the early 1980s, it seemed like everybody was trying to make and sell computers, some of which had no business even attempting it. And in the end, they all failed.

Probably the only one that did chug on for another decade was Packard-Bell. Who prior to jumping into computers was primarily known for making televisions and radios. But they only lasted a decade longer than the others before they imploded.

Or look at the wreckage of the "Dot Com Bubble".



Or another bubble we are still in, the "Crypto Bubble".

To me, this is just another bubble based on ignorance and speculation. 99% of people are not even aware that AI is just another search engine. It is no more intelligent than Jeeves was two decades ago. And I look at most of what is returned or produced by AI, and shake my head because 99% of it is crap.


I thank you for this well thought out reply Mushroom, but I believe that Mr. Mo Gawdat has a more accurate of assessment of ARtificial Intelligence and robotics than you do so far. Wealthy investors have already thought of ways to combine the efforts of a bank of computers with one or two or three or four humans who can over ride the silly errors that even the most brilliant A. I. will tend to make.

I do believe that the wealthiest eight thousand five hundred people on earth know that A. I. and robotics can save them an astonishing amount of expenses for labor.

The "High Cabal" that Sir Winston Churchill referred to is the same group essentially as "The Eruv Rav" that near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava refers to, and these people know that robotics and A. I. give them something close to total control over the economy of the future.


Merely one C. E. O. of a medium sized company that is publicly traded, can cost the wealthiest of the wealthy eleven point seven million dollars per year in salary and benefits.
 
I thank you for this well thought out reply Mushroom, but I believe that Mr. Mo Gawdat has a more accurate of assessment of ARtificial Intelligence and robotics than you do so far. Wealthy investors have already thought of ways to combine the efforts of a bank of computers with one or two or three or four humans who can over ride the silly errors that even the most brilliant A. I. will tend to make.

Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.
 
This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.


There is an ancient Islamic prediction for this "Last Hour" that I personally believe can lead to economic cooperation between Israel and surrounding nations. This prediction could also play a role in preventing "Bear Market 2026 to 2036?"

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

I get into this general idea rather often:
Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.
Wow!

Now that is interesting indeed!

I am still impressed with his over all analysis of the effect that robotics and Artificial Intelligence can have on the world economy. Somebody with a more relevant resume might be too scared to make the public analysis that Mo Gawdat has made.
 
This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.


There is an ancient Islamic prediction for this "Last Hour" that I personally believe can lead to economic cooperation between Israel and surrounding nations. This prediction could also play a role in preventing "Bear Market 2026 to 2036?"

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

I get into this general idea rather often:


 
I assume you mean UBI Universal Basic Income. We already have it, it just isn't called that. But yes UBI will greatly expand as AI and robotics replace lower skilled workers.
 
Wow!

Now that is interesting indeed!

I am still impressed with his over all analysis of the effect that robotics and Artificial Intelligence can have on the world economy. Somebody with a more relevant resume might be too scared to make the public analysis that Mo Gawdat has made.

Don't be impressed. He's trying to sell you something. And like any other salesman, a huge grain of salt the size of Mount Everest should be taken with anything a salesman ever tells you.

Or as another old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".

This is why I am so much against what I call "Anti-Science". You can push almost anything you want, if you include with it an analysis that seems to prove your point.

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I could probably do an analysis on any of the above charts, and that would indeed be a real analysis based on real data. But would the result be anything other than what we that actually work with computers and programming call GIGO?

Garbage In - Garbage Out

I guess I am just better at recognizing GIGO, as a true part of analysis is actually discarding junk that does not apply.
 
This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.
We are not quite to Star Trek technology either in AI, transportation capability, communications, or medically. But we're getting there fast. Some of us may experience all or much of that in his/her lifetime. I probably won't but stay fascinated at the possibilities even as I grumble and chafe against that which comes easily for youngsters but is difficult to navigate by us old timers.

For example, we still use a key to start the ignition in our Subaru Legacy. The occasional times we need a rental or loaner car, these are now mostly Greek to us. The keyless mechanisms and the various gadgets and gizmos that are now regular features on cars are difficult for us to understand and use.
 
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We are not quite to Star Trek technology either in AI, transportation capability, communications, or medically. But we're getting there fast. Some of us may experience all or much of that in his/her lifetime. I probably won't but stay fascinated at the possibilities even as I grumble and chafe against that which comes easily for youngsters but is difficult to navigate by us old timers.

For example, we still use a key to start the ignition in our Subaru Impreza. The occasional times we need a rental or loaner car, these are now mostly Greek to us. The keyless mechanisms and the various gadgets and gizmos that are not regular features on cars are difficult for us to understand and use.

I think a lot of that boils down to how well we understand technology itself.

I am in my 60s, but have been using computers since the early 1970s. Even making programs in the late 1970s and learning UNIX. So to me, it's actually rather intuitive and always was. But my wife struggled with it because in the early 1980s and into the 1990s it was all completely foreign to her.

But not all cars use keys. None of my vehicles in the military used keys (unless it was a leased-purchased civilian vehicle). And my aunt's car now does not use a key. There is an RFID chip in her keyfob, and you just get in the car and push a button. In reality, in the last decade keys have largely vanished from cars, which has created the problem of auto theft via RFID cloning.


And the same thing with your credit cards, many thieves are moving away from the magnetic strip scanners as more people switch to RFID cards and using RFID cloning.

That is why once in the military we went to ID cards with RFID chips, we were issued RFID blockers with them. Most people simply threw them away, but I always kept my ID card inside the RFID sleeve because with my computer background I knew how vulnerable they were to cloning. And that is something I was aware of over two decades ago, so it's not even a "new" threat.

I will neither confirm nor deny that I had a buddy that in the early 2000s was accessing DirecTV and Dish Network for free by using cloned RFID cards.
 
I think a lot of that boils down to how well we understand technology itself.

I am in my 60s, but have been using computers since the early 1970s. Even making programs in the late 1970s and learning UNIX. So to me, it's actually rather intuitive and always was. But my wife struggled with it because in the early 1980s and into the 1990s it was all completely foreign to her.

But not all cars use keys. None of my vehicles in the military used keys (unless it was a leased-purchased civilian vehicle). And my aunt's car now does not use a key. There is an RFID chip in her keyfob, and you just get in the car and push a button. In reality, in the last decade keys have largely vanished from cars, which has created the problem of auto theft via RFID cloning.


And the same thing with your credit cards, many thieves are moving away from the magnetic strip scanners as more people switch to RFID cards and using RFID cloning.

That is why once in the military we went to ID cards with RFID chips, we were issued RFID blockers with them. Most people simply threw them away, but I always kept my ID card inside the RFID sleeve because with my computer background I knew how vulnerable they were to cloning. And that is something I was aware of over two decades ago, so it's not even a "new" threat.

I will neither confirm nor deny that I had a buddy that in the early 2000s was accessing DirecTV and Dish Network for free by using cloned RFID cards.

Mushroom, what do you personally think of me being optimistic at this time that for at least another five years the economy of the United States and Canada will be improved?

I believe that the short term effects of robotics and Artificial Intelligence will generally be quite positive.

Some people will be terribly disappointed to find out that what they studied has became obsolete, [but we all understood that risk due to the saying that the Information Technology Tiger is very difficult to predict or keep up with]?
 
Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.


IF the people who would have been victims of Cancer in the world up until 2025, in 2026 and onward, have access to effective treatments for cancer, their their potential productivity will back up the USA Dollar of 2026 and on and on and on and on.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. can play an important role in assisting all Americans to view their potential productivity differently, as cancer is proven to be curable?



 
IF the people who would have been victims of Cancer in the world up until 2025, in 2026 and onward, have access to effective treatments for cancer, their their potential productivity will back up the USA Dollar of 2026 and on and on and on and on.

What in the frack does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to argue that AI has somehow magically ended cancer?
 
What in the frack does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to argue that AI has somehow magically ended cancer?

Good question. The problem that "Cancer" has is human beings coming together across ethnic, religious, cultural and even political differences.

I believe that near death experience accounts are bringing humans together even within the context of Judaism, Islam and Christianity? Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and people who identify as New Age or Occult have good reason to want to assist Jews, Christians and Muslims to be more so united around the common ground that near death experience accounts are giving us because this increase in unity, can lead to cancer being defeated, [because the problem for decades now has been The Washington Swamp plus the Ottawa Swamp, plus the London Swamp being able to keep pushing a terribly intellectually dishonest narrative on every big problem.



Thank you for giving me a lot to think about.



When I began this discussion I also myself, was wondering about all of this?



Since I began this discussion I have arrived at a couple of conclusions:

1. It is more likely that former Atheist and near death experiencer Mr. Ian McCormack is the main one who is feared by professional Christian theologians all over Canada and the USA!



I based this conclusion on the possibility that IF former ATheist and near death experiencer Mr. Ian McCormack was accepted by a high percentage of Christian Theologians then it would not be too long before they also began to accept former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm, Mellen Benedict, Dannion Brinkley AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY ORTHODOX JEWISH RABBI ALON ANAVA who had a seven minute brush with death back in 2001 on PASSOVER!





Rabbi Alon Anava is so astonishingly transparent and open and honest that he has the potential to become so famous among Christian Theologians that we begin to wonder if he might perhaps be the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter three, as of this time at the end of the year 2025?



I personally make an effort to fast and do some repentance and teshuvah on Yom Kippur. For Yom Kippur 2025 I listened to lecture after lecture after lecture by near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava because he impresses me as being one of the most open and honest theologians in all the earth at this time. The potential for Rabbi Alon Anava TO FACE THE GOLIATH OF FAME MAKES HIM SCARY TO the "Eruv Rav" or to the group of people who Sir Winston Churchill referred to as "The High Cabal."


 
People that aren't paying close attention tend to not actually understand how profoundly the next 10 years will shape humanity forever.

Before AI became a real thing, everybody assumed AI was going to replace physical labor and that intellectual work would be safe for a long time.

The inverse is happening. AI is replacing human intellectual work faster than it's replacing menial labor. This is what's scaring professionals. NOBODY predicted this. In 10 years a chatbot will be better at defending you in court than even the most skilled humans.

Therapists? Same thing. The AI will pattern match your state of mind and find problems that would take humans years of therapy to reach.

Coders? They are already watching their jobs evaporate.

Tech support? Game over, humans.


I am hopeful that the stage is set for at least some cooperation across political divisions in the interest of taking a step toward being more pro -life.


"You are absolutely correct that five hundred dollars is like nothing but this idea sets the stage for the question of whether or not the Pro-Life Community might just be willing to AGREE with and support the people who support an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement?

The timing certainly is correct for there to be at least some level of agreement across partly lines both in Canada as well as in the USA, under our extreme set of circumstances."

 
The people that run the world want to preside over civilization, not chaos. Those people have every reason to ensure society doesn't collapse.

Good point....
but the people who run the world are also divided and some of them are convinced that the world needs to be depopulated in order to save the environment from us overly productive Americans and Canadians who could set a bad example for all other nations.


 
And once again, what in the frackety-frack does this have to do with anything?

Three economists here in Canada named John Hotson, Harold Chorney and Mario Seccarrecia explained how elected officials have been convinced to use the federal deficit as an excuse to NOT do what they obviously should have been doing for centuries.


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Their full article on this general idea is exceptionally well done.

Ask yourself why three economists co-authored this article?

The answer is for many reasons but one of the big ones is that they knew that the Ottawa Swamp would come after them but because they worked together, they greatly increased their chances of not going down in the same way that President Lincoln and J.F. K. did.



by Harold Chorney, John Hotson, and Mario Seccareccia

“Governments these days find it easy to defend cuts in services and programs. All they have to do is point to their annual deficits and their total accumulated debts. (As of March, 1994, Canada's public debt was about $546 billion.) This public debt provides the politicians with a convenient excuse for cutting spending or raising taxes. Or both. «We're broke,» they tell us plaintively. «We can't afford to increase public services, or even keep them at their present level.»​

A lesson of war​

“As the deep recession dragged into 1992, Finance Minister Don Mazankowski said he couldn't do anything about it. His hands were tied, he said. The federal government was broke. The cupboard was bare. The deficit and accumulated national debt were so enormous that his first priority had to be to reduce them — even if that meant prolonging the recession and making it even worse.

“So his budget contained almost nothing to revive the sick economy. With interest payments on the debt gobbling up one-third of tax revenue, his response was to keep taxes high and axe more public services and agencies. Like Martin Luther before him, Mazankowski in effect proclaimed: «Here stand I. I cannot do otherwise.»

“But it doesn't take an economist to see that in fact he could. All you have to do is imagine what the government would do if it got involved in another Gulf War — or if that war were still raging. Would the Finance Minister have brought down the same kind of budget? Would he have said, «We'd like to keep on fighting, but we're broke, so we're calling our troops back»? Not on your life!

“Did Canada surrender half way through World War II because the national debt had grown even larger than the Gross Domestic Product (GDP)? Of course not! Somehow the extra money was found. If it wasn't by raising taxes or borrowing from the private banks, why, the Bank of Canada simply created all the money the government needed — and at near-zero interest rates, too!


“When World War II ended, the national debt relative to the national income was more than twice as large as it is now. But was the country ruined? Did we have to declare national bankruptcy? Far from it! Instead, Canada's economy boomed and the country prospered for most of the post-war period.​

The Bank of Canada has failed in its duty​

“Why isn't the same thing happening today? Why was a much larger national debt shrugged off in 1945, while today's much smaller debt (as a percentage of GDP) is being used as an excuse to let the economy stagnate?

“The answer can be found at the Bank of Canada. During the war, and for 30 years afterward, the government could borrow what it needed at low rates of interest, because the government's own bank produced up to half of all the new money. That forced the private banks to keep their interest rates low, too.


“Since the mid-1970s, however, the Bank of Canada, with government consent, has been creating less and less of the new money, while letting the private banks create more and more. Today «our» bank creates a mere 2% of each year's new money supply, while allowing the private banks to gouge the government — and of course you and me, as well — with outrageously high interest rates. And it is these extortionate interest charges that are the principal cause of the rapid escalation of the national debt. If the federal government were paying interest at the average levels that prevailed from the 1930s to the mid-1970s, it would now be running an operating surplus of about $13 billion!”

The updated version (January, 1996) of the pamphlet expresses the same ideas:

“The Bank of Canada was established in 1935 by an Act of Parliament. In its legislative mandate, it is directed to promote economic growth and employment, as well as preserving the value of the Canadian dollar.

“Shortly after the Bank opened its doors, it was faced with the bankruptcy of provincial governments due to the Depression. Interpreting its mandate widely, as it is supposed to do, it made precedent-setting loans to restore the finances of Manitoba. Generous loans to other provinces followed.

“World War II found Canada ready and determined to act in the Allied cause. The war effort of the federal government was financed through enormous deficits and very low interest rates brought about by the Bank of Canada. At war's end, the national debt stood at about 120% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), nearly double the level of today. Yet Canada went on to enjoy the greatest period of economic growth in its history...

“(Now) the Bank of Canada has decided that any government spending not financed by taxation is inflationary, so it no longer extends credit to the government by holding bonds and Treasury bills. Its small holdings of government debt are confined to the banknotes needed by the economy for currency in circulation...” (End of 1996 updated version's excerpts.)​

Interest rates and inflation​

“Thousands of years of sad experience with the concentration of wealth and debt slavery caused all the ancient books of wisdom — including the Bible and the Koran — to condemn the charging of immoderate rates of interest.(...) The conventional wisdom, however, is that inflation is the greatest threat to the economy and must be restrained by raising interest rates. This flies in the face of the common-sense observation that rising prices (inflation) are caused by rising costs, and that interest rates are costs. So raising them will raise prices, not lower them.

“Also raised by this policy, of course, is the income of the money-lenders, which explains why they subscribe so fervently to the perverse doctrine that high interest rates are somehow anti-inflationary. Certainly the world's bankers and other money-lenders have gained much from the nonsensical notion that, while giving workers a big raise is inflationary, giving money-lenders a big raise is not.

“Many economists rail against «wage push», and it's true that wages have risen by 2,700% over the past 50 years. But in the same period government tax revenue went up by 3,400%, and net interest by 26,000%! Yet, most of the economic textbooks that deplore rising wages don't even mention the tax and interest pushes. And it is not because they are complex ideas — rather, they are simple and obvious — but because it would be so embarrassing for economists to admit they've made a boner of such magnitude: that their theory of monetary policy violates basic principles of scientific logic.​

The creation of money​

“One of the most pervasive myths about the government deficit is that governments which spend more than they receive in revenue must borrow the difference, thus increasing the public debt.

“In fact, a government can choose to create the needed additional money instead of borrowing it from the banks, the public, or foreigners.

“Business and the conservatives in politics and the media are horrified by the suggestion that the government exercise its right to create more money. They claim it would precipitate another ruinous bout of inflation.

“But money creation is money creation — whether by a private bank or the Bank of Canada. And a government in debt only to the government's own bank is not really in debt at all. If it wants to go through the rigamarole of having the Treasury «borrow» from the central bank and later pay interest, that is a minor matter of bookkeeping. As long as the central bank's profits are returned to the Treasury, the results are much the same as if the Treasury had created the money itself.

“There is no reason why the growth of Canada's money supply (averaging about $22 billion annually in recent years) could not be more substantially created by the Bank of Canada. If that policy had been followed, the federal government would not have been obliged to add to its debts to pay interest on old debts. Instead, the Bank of Canada has produced barely 2% of the money added in recent years, while the chartered banks added the rest as they made loans to households, businesses, and all levels of government. At the very least, the Bank of Canada and the chartered banks should share the privilege of creating money on a 50-50 basis.

“Those who dismiss such a proposal as «inflationary» should be required to explain why it would be more inflationary for the government's bank to create $11 billion and the private banks $11 billion, rather than the present practice of having the government's bank create $0.7 billion and the private banks $21.3 billion!

“Clearly the current problem of the Canadian government's deficit is not its absolute size, or its size relative to the GDP, but the insane way it is being financed. A return to the policies of the World War II era, when the Bank of Canada produced almost one-half of the new money at near-zero interest, would do wonders for the economy, while greatly shrinking the deficit... The first order of business for a post-Mulroney-era government must be to regain effective control of the Bank of Canada and make it the primary source of money creation.

“It is ludicrous for the government to put billions of dollars into circulation by borrowing from the private banks, when it can create the extra money it needs, virtually free.

Banks create money​

“We have to keep in mind that our monetary economy only grows when the money supply grows. Under the present debt-driven system, the only way we can increase the money supply is by borrowing it into existence from the private banks, thereby increasing our indebtedness to them.

“It can't be stressed too much that the private banks, unlike non-bank lenders, create the money they lend. They do not — as is so widely imagined, even by the bankers themselves — lend their depositors' money. The amount of new money created by a bank loan, however, is only sufficient to pay back the principal. No money is created to pay the interest, except that which is paid to the holders of bank deposits. That's why debts must continually grow faster and faster in order for each layer of additional debt and interest to be paid.

“If that strikes you as a very dumb and dangerous way to operate a monetary system, you're right. Clearly it would be much safer and more sensible to have at least a large amount of the needed new money spent into circulation debt free by the federal government — or lent by it interest free to the junior levels of government which lack the power to create money. Reform of the monetary system is therefore the key to controlling the deficit and lowering the public debt.”
(End of the three economists' pamphlet.)

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Comments of the Michael Journal

We congratulate these three economists who dare to go off the beaten track. More and more people are echoing the message of the Social Crediters of the “Michael” Journal, and they urge the Federal Government to create its own money, and to put the Bank of Canada at the service of the Canadians.

The Minister of Finance and “orthodox” economists keep repeating that this solution (government-created money) is unworkable, since, according to them, it would automatically bring about runaway inflation. Yet, this policy of government-created money was actually tried out successfully in Canada during World War II (when half of the money supply was created by the Bank of Canada), and it is during those years that Canada's economy boomed the most, with near-zero inflation.

Others will say that the Bank of Canada cannot reduce its interest rates (the Bank Rate, which is set every Tuesday by the Bank of Canada), because if the rate is too low (lower than that of the United States, for example), foreign investors will flee Canada and invest their money in other countries with higher interest rates, where their investments will yield higher returns. This argument would fall by itself if the Federal Government would create its own money, instead of borrowing it. Figures made in Canada are just as good as figures made abroad to finance production made in Canada. Besides, what would Canada do if it were the only country in the world, with no foreign countries from which it could get money? Should we be condemned to starvation in front of our own goods, through lack of figures to buy them?

The three economists quoted above suggested that the Bank of Canada should create half of the money supply in our country. This suggestion is timid! What the Social Crediters of the Michael Journal propose is that the Bank of Canada should create all of the money supply for Canada, since money creation cannot be left in the hands of private interests. Make no mistake: private banks would still exist, and still lend money, but they would not have the power to create new money with their loans. When a chartered bank makes a loan to a business or individual, the bank would get the money for the loan from the Bank of Canada, interest free. The private bank would be accountable to the Bank of Canada for that money, having to return it to the central bank when the loan is paid back to the private bank. (This technique is explained in detail in the first pages of Louis Even's booklet, “A Sound and Effective Financial System”.)

The Bank of Canada has been diverted from its purpose, and instead of being the Bank of the Canadians, it has become the bankers' bank. The Chrétien Government must bring the Bank of Canada to heel, and have it finance the needs of our nation, debt free. It is the only solution to solve the problem of the deficit and the debt.

Several groups are lobbying for more spending cuts; some even say that our Finance Minister did not go far enough with spending cuts in his last budget. It only makes less money left into circulation, which makes the situation even tougher for all Canadians. As the three economists mentioned above put it in their pamphlet, “strident calls for cutbacks and belt-tightening measures are, in tough economic times, the worst possible course to follow. It is in fact a lethal prescription for recreating the widespread unemployment and suffering of the 1930s.”

Mr. Prime Minister, you don't wish such a state of affairs to occur, do you? Well, to prevent if from happening, you have no alternative but to apply the Social Credit principles of Clifford Hugh Douglas and Louis Even!

Moreover, all the premiers who complain about the reduction of transfer payments to the provinces in the federal budget, should join forces to pressure the federal government to put the Bank of Canada at the service of all the Canadians, and finance the provinces with interest-free money. But make no mistake: if our governments are not backed up by public opinion, they won't have the courage to challenge the power of the Financiers. So it is your duty, dear readers of the Michael Journal, to create this public opinion in favour of a return to an honest debt-free money system, by getting all your friends and acquaintances to subscribe to the Michael Journal. This is the prime requirement for the liberation of our country. Good luck!

 
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