Mo Gawdat predicts that A. I. will lead to B. M. I? Is he correct?

[DennisPTate]

I will repeat to you what I tell everybody else that tries that stupid game. And I mean exactly as I said.

Bowel Movement, as in it's a pile of crap.

Trying to twist what I say into something else to follow your beliefs is almost always a failure. As far as I can see, AI is just another "Buzzword Bubble", just like "Internet" and "Computers" before that. Mostly propagated by people that do not really understand it, but are pushing it for reasons based on either a fantasy, or to make money.

And just like the "Dot Com" bubble and all the ones before it, eventually this one is going to pop and leave behind a bunch of people with nothing to show for it.

I have been involved in IT for over five decades now. And the best way for me to explain this in the way I view it is as the following:

I am old enough to remember those and earlier "Tech Bubbles". One of the first and most obvious was the "Computer Bubble" of the early 1980s. When you had everybody from Tandy and Timex to freaking Mattel and the Connecticut Leather Company and the BBC rushing to make computers. In the early 1980s, it seemed like everybody was trying to make and sell computers, some of which had no business even attempting it. And in the end, they all failed.

Probably the only one that did chug on for another decade was Packard-Bell. Who prior to jumping into computers was primarily known for making televisions and radios. But they only lasted a decade longer than the others before they imploded.

Or look at the wreckage of the "Dot Com Bubble".



Or another bubble we are still in, the "Crypto Bubble".

To me, this is just another bubble based on ignorance and speculation. 99% of people are not even aware that AI is just another search engine. It is no more intelligent than Jeeves was two decades ago. And I look at most of what is returned or produced by AI, and shake my head because 99% of it is crap.

I thank you for this well thought out reply Mushroom, but I believe that Mr. Mo Gawdat has a more accurate of assessment of ARtificial Intelligence and robotics than you do so far. Wealthy investors have already thought of ways to combine the efforts of a bank of computers with one or two or three or four humans who can over ride the silly errors that even the most brilliant A. I. will tend to make.

I do believe that the wealthiest eight thousand five hundred people on earth know that A. I. and robotics can save them an astonishing amount of expenses for labor.

The "High Cabal" that Sir Winston Churchill referred to is the same group essentially as "The Eruv Rav" that near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava refers to, and these people know that robotics and A. I. give them something close to total control over the economy of the future.


Merely one C. E. O. of a medium sized company that is publicly traded, can cost the wealthiest of the wealthy eleven point seven million dollars per year in salary and benefits.

 

[Mushroom]

I thank you for this well thought out reply Mushroom, but I believe that Mr. Mo Gawdat has a more accurate of assessment of ARtificial Intelligence and robotics than you do so far. Wealthy investors have already thought of ways to combine the efforts of a bank of computers with one or two or three or four humans who can over ride the silly errors that even the most brilliant A. I. will tend to make.

Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.

 

[DennisPTate]

This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.

There is an ancient Islamic prediction for this "Last Hour" that I personally believe can lead to economic cooperation between Israel and surrounding nations. This prediction could also play a role in preventing "Bear Market 2026 to 2036?"

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

I get into this general idea rather often:

Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.

Wow!

Now that is interesting indeed!

I am still impressed with his over all analysis of the effect that robotics and Artificial Intelligence can have on the world economy. Somebody with a more relevant resume might be too scared to make the public analysis that Mo Gawdat has made.

 

[DennisPTate]

This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.

There is an ancient Islamic prediction for this "Last Hour" that I personally believe can lead to economic cooperation between Israel and surrounding nations. This prediction could also play a role in preventing "Bear Market 2026 to 2036?"

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

I get into this general idea rather often:

Zone1 Thread 'Muslims, Christians and Jews against "Bear Market 2026 to 2036?"'

Nov 20, 2025

Did you know that there is an ancient Islamic prediction that fits perfectly with Isaiah chapter thirty five?

I am of the belief that the Israeli Breslovian Chassidic Jewish community are in a unique position to put together the reverse engineering of a plan to FINANCE turning desert green plus making wealth abundant both in Israel as well as in the USA and in all nations of this earth.

Modern near death experience accounts are setting the stage for Breslovian Chassidic Jews to understand the teachings of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov in a way that could set in motion a plan to transform...

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[MarathonMike]

I assume you mean UBI Universal Basic Income. We already have it, it just isn't called that. But yes UBI will greatly expand as AI and robotics replace lower skilled workers.

 

[Mushroom]

Wow!

Now that is interesting indeed!

I am still impressed with his over all analysis of the effect that robotics and Artificial Intelligence can have on the world economy. Somebody with a more relevant resume might be too scared to make the public analysis that Mo Gawdat has made.

Don't be impressed. He's trying to sell you something. And like any other salesman, a huge grain of salt the size of Mount Everest should be taken with anything a salesman ever tells you.

Or as another old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".

This is why I am so much against what I call "Anti-Science". You can push almost anything you want, if you include with it an analysis that seems to prove your point.

I could probably do an analysis on any of the above charts, and that would indeed be a real analysis based on real data. But would the result be anything other than what we that actually work with computers and programming call GIGO?

Garbage In - Garbage Out

I guess I am just better at recognizing GIGO, as a true part of analysis is actually discarding junk that does not apply.

 

[Foxfyre]

This is the profound societal change I was talking about earlier. We're moving toward a society that resembles something from Star Trek. The way we think about money will be completely antiquated in 20 years.

We are not quite to Star Trek technology either in AI, transportation capability, communications, or medically. But we're getting there fast. Some of us may experience all or much of that in his/her lifetime. I probably won't but stay fascinated at the possibilities even as I grumble and chafe against that which comes easily for youngsters but is difficult to navigate by us old timers.

For example, we still use a key to start the ignition in our Subaru Legacy. The occasional times we need a rental or loaner car, these are now mostly Greek to us. The keyless mechanisms and the various gadgets and gizmos that are now regular features on cars are difficult for us to understand and use.

 

[Mushroom]

We are not quite to Star Trek technology either in AI, transportation capability, communications, or medically. But we're getting there fast. Some of us may experience all or much of that in his/her lifetime. I probably won't but stay fascinated at the possibilities even as I grumble and chafe against that which comes easily for youngsters but is difficult to navigate by us old timers.

For example, we still use a key to start the ignition in our Subaru Impreza. The occasional times we need a rental or loaner car, these are now mostly Greek to us. The keyless mechanisms and the various gadgets and gizmos that are not regular features on cars are difficult for us to understand and use.

I think a lot of that boils down to how well we understand technology itself.

I am in my 60s, but have been using computers since the early 1970s. Even making programs in the late 1970s and learning UNIX. So to me, it's actually rather intuitive and always was. But my wife struggled with it because in the early 1980s and into the 1990s it was all completely foreign to her.

But not all cars use keys. None of my vehicles in the military used keys (unless it was a leased-purchased civilian vehicle). And my aunt's car now does not use a key. There is an RFID chip in her keyfob, and you just get in the car and push a button. In reality, in the last decade keys have largely vanished from cars, which has created the problem of auto theft via RFID cloning.

What the Tech: Watch out for crooks who can clone your key fob - WAKA 8

Someone close by can clone your key fob signal when you unlock your car, then steal your car without setting off the alarm. What can you do to stop it?

www.waka.com

And the same thing with your credit cards, many thieves are moving away from the magnetic strip scanners as more people switch to RFID cards and using RFID cloning.

That is why once in the military we went to ID cards with RFID chips, we were issued RFID blockers with them. Most people simply threw them away, but I always kept my ID card inside the RFID sleeve because with my computer background I knew how vulnerable they were to cloning. And that is something I was aware of over two decades ago, so it's not even a "new" threat.

I will neither confirm nor deny that I had a buddy that in the early 2000s was accessing DirecTV and Dish Network for free by using cloned RFID cards.

 

[DennisPTate]

I think a lot of that boils down to how well we understand technology itself.

I am in my 60s, but have been using computers since the early 1970s. Even making programs in the late 1970s and learning UNIX. So to me, it's actually rather intuitive and always was. But my wife struggled with it because in the early 1980s and into the 1990s it was all completely foreign to her.

But not all cars use keys. None of my vehicles in the military used keys (unless it was a leased-purchased civilian vehicle). And my aunt's car now does not use a key. There is an RFID chip in her keyfob, and you just get in the car and push a button. In reality, in the last decade keys have largely vanished from cars, which has created the problem of auto theft via RFID cloning.

What the Tech: Watch out for crooks who can clone your key fob - WAKA 8

Someone close by can clone your key fob signal when you unlock your car, then steal your car without setting off the alarm. What can you do to stop it?

www.waka.com

And the same thing with your credit cards, many thieves are moving away from the magnetic strip scanners as more people switch to RFID cards and using RFID cloning.

That is why once in the military we went to ID cards with RFID chips, we were issued RFID blockers with them. Most people simply threw them away, but I always kept my ID card inside the RFID sleeve because with my computer background I knew how vulnerable they were to cloning. And that is something I was aware of over two decades ago, so it's not even a "new" threat.

I will neither confirm nor deny that I had a buddy that in the early 2000s was accessing DirecTV and Dish Network for free by using cloned RFID cards.

Mushroom, what do you personally think of me being optimistic at this time that for at least another five years the economy of the United States and Canada will be improved?

I believe that the short term effects of robotics and Artificial Intelligence will generally be quite positive.

Some people will be terribly disappointed to find out that what they studied has became obsolete, [but we all understood that risk due to the saying that the Information Technology Tiger is very difficult to predict or keep up with]?

 

[DennisPTate]

Sure, they prune out any response that is wrong, if they catch it. Not even by "correcting" it, but simply by refusing to allow it to answer at all.

Feel free to test this yourself. Go into Google or Bing or most other search engines and do a search for "recipes that use gasoline".

Notice something? There is no AI response. Absolutely none at all. This is because early on it was discovered that AI was actually giving recommendations for recipes that would include gasoline.

And no matter how hard they tried, nobody was able to figure out a way to force the AI to stop suggesting that it was perfectly fine to put gasoline into food. So the only solution was to "lobotomize" AI into refusing to ever answer that question. And that is all they can do, it's a search engine. Nothing more, and nothing less. It can only respond with things it finds in its database.

And it can not tell the difference between gasoline and milk.

I do not care what some Egyptian businessman has to say, He may have a degree in civil engineering, but from what I have seen he never actually did that as three decades ago he shifted purely to doing sales. He's a salesman, first for IBM, NCR, Microsoft and then Google. He has even less business trying to push his views on AI because he never worked as a programmer or actually making code or doing search engine optimization.

He's a salesman, and has made his career convincing others to buy what he was selling. The exact same thing he is doing now, except what he is pushing is for people to buy his books. And other than one, most of his books actually deal with personal improvement topics like reducing stress.

IF the people who would have been victims of Cancer in the world up until 2025, in 2026 and onward, have access to effective treatments for cancer, their their potential productivity will back up the USA Dollar of 2026 and on and on and on and on.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. can play an important role in assisting all Americans to view their potential productivity differently, as cancer is proven to be curable?

Thread 'Should Trump set up Robert F. Kennedy for 2028?'

Dec 27, 2025

I really like the idea of President Donald J. Trump setting up Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for President, or V. P. in 2028.

I believe that an INFORMATION DUMP related to some already invented cancer treatments being effective will be one way to "Puff Kennedy," [much as a famous wealthy person once told his people to Puff Evangelist Billy Graham]?

There is a way to do that that will set up President Joe Biden as being somebody who may have done something "heroic" back around 2014?

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In the second major documentary about the Dr. Stanislav Burzynski treatments for cancer...... it was...

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[Mushroom]

IF the people who would have been victims of Cancer in the world up until 2025, in 2026 and onward, have access to effective treatments for cancer, their their potential productivity will back up the USA Dollar of 2026 and on and on and on and on.

What in the frack does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to argue that AI has somehow magically ended cancer?

 

[DennisPTate]

What in the frack does that have to do with anything?

Are you trying to argue that AI has somehow magically ended cancer?

Good question. The problem that "Cancer" has is human beings coming together across ethnic, religious, cultural and even political differences.

I believe that near death experience accounts are bringing humans together even within the context of Judaism, Islam and Christianity? Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and people who identify as New Age or Occult have good reason to want to assist Jews, Christians and Muslims to be more so united around the common ground that near death experience accounts are giving us because this increase in unity, can lead to cancer being defeated, [because the problem for decades now has been The Washington Swamp plus the Ottawa Swamp, plus the London Swamp being able to keep pushing a terribly intellectually dishonest narrative on every big problem.

Thank you for giving me a lot to think about.



When I began this discussion I also myself, was wondering about all of this?



Since I began this discussion I have arrived at a couple of conclusions:

1. It is more likely that former Atheist and near death experiencer Mr. Ian McCormack is the main one who is feared by professional Christian theologians all over Canada and the USA!



I based this conclusion on the possibility that IF former ATheist and near death experiencer Mr. Ian McCormack was accepted by a high percentage of Christian Theologians then it would not be too long before they also began to accept former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm, Mellen Benedict, Dannion Brinkley AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY ORTHODOX JEWISH RABBI ALON ANAVA who had a seven minute brush with death back in 2001 on PASSOVER!





Rabbi Alon Anava is so astonishingly transparent and open and honest that he has the potential to become so famous among Christian Theologians that we begin to wonder if he might perhaps be the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter three, as of this time at the end of the year 2025?



I personally make an effort to fast and do some repentance and teshuvah on Yom Kippur. For Yom Kippur 2025 I listened to lecture after lecture after lecture by near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava because he impresses me as being one of the most open and honest theologians in all the earth at this time. The potential for Rabbi Alon Anava TO FACE THE GOLIATH OF FAME MAKES HIM SCARY TO the "Eruv Rav" or to the group of people who Sir Winston Churchill referred to as "The High Cabal."

Zone1 Post in thread 'Are the majority of Christian Pastors TERRIFIED of John and Carol Arnott?'

Dec 29, 2025

You're just taking anecdotal claims as fact. Do you watch TV faith healers with great hair who drive 100,000 dollar cars and believe it's all true?

Thank you for giving me a lot to think about.

When I began this discussion I also myself, was wondering about all of this?

Since I began this discussion I have arrived at a couple of conclusions:
1. It is more likely that former Atheist and near death experiencer Mr. Ian McCormack is the main one who is feared by professional Christian theologians all over Canada and the USA!

I based this conclusion on the possibility that IF...

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[Mushroom]

Good question. The problem that "Cancer" has is human beings coming together across ethnic, religious, cultural and even political differences.

And once again, what in the frackety-frack does this have to do with anything?

 

[DennisPTate]

People that aren't paying close attention tend to not actually understand how profoundly the next 10 years will shape humanity forever.

Before AI became a real thing, everybody assumed AI was going to replace physical labor and that intellectual work would be safe for a long time.

The inverse is happening. AI is replacing human intellectual work faster than it's replacing menial labor. This is what's scaring professionals. NOBODY predicted this. In 10 years a chatbot will be better at defending you in court than even the most skilled humans.

Therapists? Same thing. The AI will pattern match your state of mind and find problems that would take humans years of therapy to reach.

Coders? They are already watching their jobs evaporate.

Tech support? Game over, humans.

I am hopeful that the stage is set for at least some cooperation across political divisions in the interest of taking a step toward being more pro -life.


"You are absolutely correct that five hundred dollars is like nothing but this idea sets the stage for the question of whether or not the Pro-Life Community might just be willing to AGREE with and support the people who support an Unconditional but Taxable Basic Minimum Income Supplement?

The timing certainly is correct for there to be at least some level of agreement across partly lines both in Canada as well as in the USA, under our extreme set of circumstances."

Zone1 Post in thread 'A Basic Minimum Income Supplement and the percentage of women who choose abortion?'

Jan 16, 2026

$500 a month isn't going to do anything meaningful for anybody. Are you going to cancel all the other gov't assistance programs in exchange for UBI, or is it in addition to what people already get? Medicare? Medicaid? SSA? Food Stamps? And every other welfare program? If it's an add-on deal, we're talking a few trillion dollars on top of the $2 tril deficit we're running now.

You are absolutely correct that five hundred dollars is like nothing but this idea sets the stage for the question of whether or not the Pro-Life Community might just be willing to AGREE with and...

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