Will Republicans own up to their mistake this midterm or continue on with the same?

[oreo]

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

You bring up some very good points. 86% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. Basically in one fatal swipe, they burned down the Republican party's "family value platform" and obliterated the credibility of Evangelical churchs all across this country.

We had white male pastors all over this country promoting Donald Trump--telling their congregations--"you don't need to like him, just vote for him." And they did-- even after listening to the Hollywood access tape.

Even after Stormy Daniels and the playboy bunny payoff's they're still defending Trump.
Bill Graham jr., Mike Huckabee and others are still on the Trump train.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

You bring up some very good points. 86% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. Basically in one fatal swipe, they burned down the Republican party's "family value platform" and obliterated the credibility of Evangelical churchs all across this country.

We had white male pastors all over this country promoting Donald Trump--telling their congregations--"you don't need to like him, just vote for him." And they did-- even after listening to the Hollywood access tape.

Even after Stormy Daniels and the playboy bunny payoff's they're still defending Trump.
Bill Graham jr., Mike Huckabee and others are still on the Trump train.

Dems have the woman vote when they prove that Kavanaugh committed GANG RAPE in the 1980s.

They need to run on this and tell everyone that Swetnick is telling the truth because she is a woman and that Kavanaugh committed gang rape in the 1980s.

 

[BookShaka]

Please vote blue before Oreo loses what’s left of has addled mind. He’s not happy with Trump and would like you to help sooth his hurt feelings.

You can laugh all you want but that was there is such a thing as a "never Trump" group who may just be thinking the same thing I am.

BECAUSE the longer Trump stays in office the worse it gets for the party.

Here is a great example of the Ass Clown that sits in the oval office. No President was EVER this stupid. Nothing like admitting to Obstruction of Justice on National T.V. That Russserrrr thing really isn't going away anytime soon. 5 guillty plea's, 37 Federal Grand Jury Indictments and 100's of criminal charges say so.



In the video they are referencing this article which was confirmed by James Clapper under sworn testimony over a year ago. Here is the article.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

For confirmation of James Clapper testimony, scroll down this page until you see Diane Fienstein asking Clapper questions.
Full transcript: Sally Yates and James Clapper testify on Russian election interference

So you get to look forward to endless investigations until he's gone, and how much is that going to cost the Republican party in credibility & trustworthyness? 20-30 years?

So a Republican with a full capacity working brain may be thinking much differently than you. They're thinking what is the future of the Republican party with Trump remaining in office, and maybe should I react to this NOW, versus watching the incoming CONSEQUENCES later.

Or maybe like me, they have already changed their party status? I changed mine to Independent--and will be voting blue all the way down the ballot--to force the crazies & right wing nut cases out of the Republican party--which would then require that the party rebuilds into a functiioning, respectable body again.

So personally, I think there are more out there, than you think there are.



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LMFAO you might want to check your sig before playing partisan politics and willingly displaying your hypocrisy.

View attachment 222373

That's just a sticker that I pulled off the internet, if you would have continued reading past that you would have noticed that I changed my party status from Republican to Independent as soon as you made the Ass Clown the poster boy of it.

Read past what? You know what? Never mind. Carry on with your brainwashed hypocrisy.

 

[kyzr]

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

You bring up some very good points. 86% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. Basically in one fatal swipe, they burned down the Republican party's "family value platform" and obliterated the credibility of Evangelical churches all across this country.

We had white male pastors all over this country promoting Donald Trump--telling their congregations--"you don't need to like him, just vote for him." And they did-- even after listening to the Hollywood access tape.

Even after Stormy Daniels and the playboy bunny payoff's they're still defending Trump.
Bill Graham jr., Mike Huckabee and others are still on the Trump train.

Evangelicals realized that Trump is 1,000,000x better than Hillary. So the GOP "prudish family values" platform is gone, so what, now the Left can't use that against GOP candidates. Trump is pro-life and promotes conservative judges, that is more than enough for Evangelicals. Bill Clinton immunized GOP candidates from claims of "infidelity" forevermore, so deal with it. The Left can't smear GOP candidates anymore, its all about policies. Melania is cool with Trump's infidelities, as her jacket said, "I really don't care, do u?" You dems need to find better arguments than a GOP candidate was sexually active.

 

[Oldstyle]

Trump's done things with the economy that Obama didn't.

That's true. He's given more money to the wealthy, engaged in the same kind of reckless deregulation that caused the last three recessions, and caused consumer inflation with ill-advised tariffs.

If Barry had the numbers that Trump has had you and every liberal media outlet on the planet would be declaring him the greatest President in history!

Again, Barry inherited a disaster and fixed it. Trump inherited a good situation and is slowly fucking it up.

Ill advised tariffs? Oh, you mean like the ones he imposed on the EU, Canada and Mexico? Hmmmm...how did that work out again? Now I remember! The EU, Canada and Mexico all gave us better trade deals! So why were the tariffs ill advised? Because you're clueless when it comes to economics?

 

[oreo]

Trump's done things with the economy that Obama didn't.

That's true. He's given more money to the wealthy, engaged in the same kind of reckless deregulation that caused the last three recessions, and caused consumer inflation with ill-advised tariffs.

If Barry had the numbers that Trump has had you and every liberal media outlet on the planet would be declaring him the greatest President in history!

Again, Barry inherited a disaster and fixed it. Trump inherited a good situation and is slowly fucking it up.

Ill advised tariffs? Oh, you mean like the ones he imposed on the EU, Canada and Mexico? Hmmmm...how did that work out again? Now I remember! The EU, Canada and Mexico all gave us better trade deals! So why were the tariffs ill advised? Because you're clueless when it comes to economics?

No they haven't given us anything. Trade deals have to be approved by congress. Renegotiationsn of existing trade deals have to be approved by congress. I think a lot of you people think you elected a "King" not a President. Trump is just blowing a lot of hot air to keep his base intact--

FORD motors just announced something. You might want to redirect to this thread on this board and do a little reading.

This thread will tell you everthing you need to know about what's happened with Trump's tariff threats. I would suggest that you spend more than 2 seconds on it.
America continues to lose! Ford to lay off workers because tariffs have cost $1B

And you've got a very serious issue with the stock market right now because of Trump's tariff threats.

In fact, Trump stated that since HE made you so much money in the Stock Market that you will be O.K. with the pain of his tarriffs--lol.
Analysis | Trump is betting American families are willing to pay for his trade war

 

[TheDude]

If success is unfit I'll take success all day every day. Trump has proved to be a success and in a short time he's accomplished more than the last three POTUS combined.

Let's be honest with the OP, he's dishonest.

 

[Mike473]

I wonder if Al Gore regrets creating the internet?

 

[Oldstyle]

Trump's done things with the economy that Obama didn't.

That's true. He's given more money to the wealthy, engaged in the same kind of reckless deregulation that caused the last three recessions, and caused consumer inflation with ill-advised tariffs.

If Barry had the numbers that Trump has had you and every liberal media outlet on the planet would be declaring him the greatest President in history!

Again, Barry inherited a disaster and fixed it. Trump inherited a good situation and is slowly fucking it up.

Ill advised tariffs? Oh, you mean like the ones he imposed on the EU, Canada and Mexico? Hmmmm...how did that work out again? Now I remember! The EU, Canada and Mexico all gave us better trade deals! So why were the tariffs ill advised? Because you're clueless when it comes to economics?

No they haven't given us anything. Trade deals have to be approved by congress. Renegotiationsn of existing trade deals have to be approved by congress. I think a lot of you people think you elected a "King" not a President. Trump is just blowing a lot of hot air to keep his base intact--

FORD motors just announced something. You might want to redirect to this thread on this board and do a little reading.

This thread will tell you everthing you need to know about what's happened with Trump's tariff threats. I would suggest that you spend more than 2 seconds on it.
America continues to lose! Ford to lay off workers because tariffs have cost $1B

And you've got a very serious issue with the stock market right now because of Trump's tariff threats.

In fact, Trump stated that since HE made you so much money in the Stock Market that you will be O.K. with the pain of his tarriffs--lol.
Analysis | Trump is betting American families are willing to pay for his trade war

Ford isn't laying off workers because of Trump tariffs...Ford is laying off workers because of automation! It's the same thing that's going on at Toyota!

 

[Oldstyle]

Trump's done things with the economy that Obama didn't.

That's true. He's given more money to the wealthy, engaged in the same kind of reckless deregulation that caused the last three recessions, and caused consumer inflation with ill-advised tariffs.

If Barry had the numbers that Trump has had you and every liberal media outlet on the planet would be declaring him the greatest President in history!

Again, Barry inherited a disaster and fixed it. Trump inherited a good situation and is slowly fucking it up.

Ill advised tariffs? Oh, you mean like the ones he imposed on the EU, Canada and Mexico? Hmmmm...how did that work out again? Now I remember! The EU, Canada and Mexico all gave us better trade deals! So why were the tariffs ill advised? Because you're clueless when it comes to economics?

No they haven't given us anything. Trade deals have to be approved by congress. Renegotiationsn of existing trade deals have to be approved by congress. I think a lot of you people think you elected a "King" not a President. Trump is just blowing a lot of hot air to keep his base intact--

FORD motors just announced something. You might want to redirect to this thread on this board and do a little reading.

This thread will tell you everthing you need to know about what's happened with Trump's tariff threats. I would suggest that you spend more than 2 seconds on it.
America continues to lose! Ford to lay off workers because tariffs have cost $1B

And you've got a very serious issue with the stock market right now because of Trump's tariff threats.

In fact, Trump stated that since HE made you so much money in the Stock Market that you will be O.K. with the pain of his tarriffs--lol.
Analysis | Trump is betting American families are willing to pay for his trade war

And much of the stock market correction is due to yet another rate increase by the Fed. Gee, Oreo...how come the Fed couldn't raise interest rates during almost all of Barry's two terms and yet has raised them six times since Trump was elected? I'll give you a hint...it's because the economy SUCKED under Obama and is going really well under Trump!

 

[theHawk]

In all of our lives we have made mistakes. Some of us recognize them immediately, others will deny, defend and deflect, in order to save face.

It is more than apparent by now, and I believe most Republicans know that Donald Trump is unfit to hold the highest office in the world. He is a continual threat to the very foundation of our democracy, continually attacking NATO & our allies, while snuggling up to tyrants, like Vladimir Putin. He has attacked, insulted and demeaned our Federal Agencies, institutions & the free press in this country. He has divided this country by spewing hate & fear amoung us.

He has started a Tariff war, exasberating the fear in our stock markets, while our allies have threatened 100's of billions in retalitory tariffs on American products. He is laughed at by the General Assembly of the United Nations and is the subject of a million jokes.

It's clear he has the emotional stability of a teenage drama queen with a 7th grade understanding of US policy. Trump is the National Security threat.

At times, some things need to be destroyed before they can be rebuilt. The Republican party has been a complete disaster with Trump at the helm. Republicans have shown that they cannot control Trump, nor would they ever consider removing him from office under the 25th amendment as being unfit.

The only way to remove Trump from office is to vote BLUE this midterm.

A message from a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.


This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of bigotry, misosyny, hate, fear, anger & ignorance.

Our country is much more important than someone with an R behind their name.

A great article that every Republican should spend the next 20 minutes READING.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Sure bub, we’ve made a grave mistake in electing a fighter like Donald Trump. He fights for better trade agreements, he fights to bring back manufacturing jobs to the states, and fights to keep our freedoms from being taken away by leftwingers that want lynch mob justice.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

Don't think of the GOP as a party for only lock-step "conservatives". Bush/Cheney proved that there are no "pure conservative administrations". Even Reagan was not a "pure conservative". The toughest conservative "principle" to keep is "fiscal restraint". The GOP congress tried to use "rescission?" to limit Obama's spending, which hurt the Defense department. Other than fiscal restraint, I'm not aware of any other principles that are currently being sacrificed.

Oh, I disagree. MOST of life is compromise.

And Trump has shown no fiscal restraint.

So let's look at the other concepts being sacrificed.

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.

New principles that are better than the old principles: fair trade, not free trade. This new principle is better for the US economy than the globalist view.

So the new "populist" GOP stands for "America first" and prosperity for all.

Not really. You see, America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".

If left to their druthers, American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff now, or want to buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)...

"Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to.

Continuing with the discussion of "conservative principles lost" under the Trump admin:

Free markets- When you admit you can't compete with foreign goods and want tariffs, that's an abandonment of free markets.
When the globalists gave tax breaks to move US factories overseas, and Obama said those jobs aren't coming back, and the US trade deficit was $500b a year and rising, its time for Trump to use the largest economy in the world to advantage. As the globalists fuel China's military buildup, including theft of intellectual property, they will realize too late that the US has become a second rate power. Then its too late.

Libertarian principles? Sorry, that went out the window when Trump started throwing kids into concentration camps?
I've been a repub a long time and don't recall any "libertarian principles", just conservative ones. When 4 out of 5 illegal kids apprehended are unaccompanied, you can't blame Trump for lavishing care on them while being held, blame the parents that sent them north. The care being given to them is 1000x better than the living conditions in their home country. Please lookup the definition of a "concentration camp".

Family values? Um, right, when you support a guy who fucks porn stars and has cheated on all three of his wives and has a creepy obsession with his daughter, "Family Values" have gone right out the window.
Have you seen regular TV lately? There are no more family values, especially for politicians. You're either a church goer or not, but its not a requirement. As the pope said, "who are we to judge"? i.e. scratch family values from your GOP set of principles. Trump was a very sexually active guy, so what, his wife is cool with it?

Strong National Defense? Well, he's alienated NATO, alienated South Korea, sucked up to North Korea and Russia.
Trump kept this principle to the point of sacrificing fiscal restraint. The Defense Budget is $717b in 2018 up from $524b in 2016. NATO is not alienated, they were told that the US is not continuing the free ride, they need to meet their obligations. Trump is right to demand that they pony up. Also, Germany has an agreement to buy gas from Russia which gives them needed cash. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Free Trade- America was all for free trade when we produced the best products in the world the rest of the world wanted to buy. Then we were all for "Free Trade".
Not sure when the US was a net manufacturing exporter, the 1950's?? Currently the US has a massive $500b trade deficit, which Trump is addressing by requiring "fair trade", and fair trade is what the voters want, since it means more good paying jobs.

Tariffs- American consumers would rather buy cheap Chinese made stuff, or buy German or Japanese cars because they are of better quality.
Not disagreeing with that claim, however, as Trump adds tariffs that levels the playing field. Foreign cars is the "mother-lode" for tariffs and no country wants tariffs on their cars, so we'll see how that plays out. Trump and the US has all the cards in this game, save for some farm subsidies. Populist tariffs for good jobs is a GOP win, not loss.

Now, I give Reagan some credit, he's the one who held Japan's feet to the fire on "Dumping" (selling goods in America at minimal profits to drive American competitors out of business)..."Fair Trade" is subjective. The only "Fair" Trade is one both sides agrees to
Agreed. Trump did the same anti-dumping tariffs on steel and aluminum. US union workers can't be more supportive, fair trade is as negotiated, such as with Mexico and Canada. We're still working on China. Bottom line: the US is no longer the trade chump of the world.

Looking at the new GOP "populist" principles:
Trade- fair trade as negotiated is a net positive for the US, free trade is a net negative unless its fair.
Family values- are encouraged, but no being judgmental. Pro-life is supported
Strong defense- supported
Fiscal restraint- encouraged, but not a requirement, supporting a strong economy is paramount
Enforce immigration laws-
Jobs- do whatever is necessary to develop and sustain well paying jobs
Strong foreign policy- fight terrorism, keep Russia at bay via sanctions, keep NK at bay with sanctions, manage China, manage the EU, etc.
Law & Justice- approve conservative judges and justices, keep the DOJ, IRS, and FBI from becoming arms of the democratic party, like under Obama
Energy & Environment- develop clean domestic energy sources, and avoid financial commitments like the Paris Climate Agreement
Healthcare- End Obamacare's high deductibles that prevents families from accessing healthcare
Infrastructure- need to see how the dems approach, may need to increase taxes to fund

You bring up some very good points. 86% of Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump. Basically in one fatal swipe, they burned down the Republican party's "family value platform" and obliterated the credibility of Evangelical churchs all across this country.

We had white male pastors all over this country promoting Donald Trump--telling their congregations--"you don't need to like him, just vote for him." And they did-- even after listening to the Hollywood access tape.

Even after Stormy Daniels and the playboy bunny payoff's they're still defending Trump.
Bill Graham jr., Mike Huckabee and others are still on the Trump train.

If I’m looking for a pastor then yeah Trump isn’t the guy. If I’m looking for a great President that gets shit done? He’s just right for the job.

 

[JusticeHammer]

In all of our lives we have made mistakes. Some of us recognize them immediately, others will deny, defend and deflect, in order to save face.

It is more than apparent by now, and I believe most Republicans know that Donald Trump is unfit to hold the highest office in the world. He is a continual threat to the very foundation of our democracy, continually attacking NATO & our allies, while snuggling up to tyrants, like Vladimir Putin. He has attacked, insulted and demeaned our Federal Agencies, institutions & the free press in this country. He has divided this country by spewing hate & fear amoung us.

He has started a Tariff war, exasberating the fear in our stock markets, while our allies have threatened 100's of billions in retalitory tariffs on American products. He is laughed at by the General Assembly of the United Nations and is the subject of a million jokes.

It's clear he has the emotional stability of a teenage drama queen with a 7th grade understanding of US policy. Trump is the National Security threat.

At times, some things need to be destroyed before they can be rebuilt. The Republican party has been a complete disaster with Trump at the helm. Republicans have shown that they cannot control Trump, nor would they ever consider removing him from office under the 25th amendment as being unfit.

The only way to remove Trump from office is to vote BLUE this midterm.

A message from a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.


This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of bigotry, misosyny, hate, fear, anger & ignorance.

Our country is much more important than someone with an R behind their name.

A great article that every Republican should spend the next 20 minutes READING.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Best POTUS ever. Obama was the biggest mistake.

 

[oreo]

If success is unfit I'll take success all day every day. Trump has proved to be a success and in a short time he's accomplished more than the last three POTUS combined.

Let's be honest with the OP, he's dishonest.

Robert Mueller has had a lot more accomplishments. 5 guilty plea's, 37 Federal Grand Jury indictments, and 100's of criminal charges that are certain to produce more. And each time it gets closer to Trump. After the midterm is over--I think all holy hell is going to blow up.

For a review of that, click this link that will redirect you to another post on this thread. I would suggest that you stay there for more than 2 seconds.
Will Republicans own up to their mistake this midterm or continue on with the same?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In all of our lives we have made mistakes. Some of us recognize them immediately, others will deny, defend and deflect, in order to save face.

It is more than apparent by now, and I believe most Republicans know that Donald Trump is unfit to hold the highest office in the world. He is a continual threat to the very foundation of our democracy, continually attacking NATO & our allies, while snuggling up to tyrants, like Vladimir Putin. He has attacked, insulted and demeaned our Federal Agencies & the free press in this country. He has divided this country by spewing hate & fear amoung us.

He has started a Tariff war, exasberating the fear in our stock markets, while our allies have threatened 100's of billions in retalitory tariffs on American products. He is laughed at by the General Assembly of the United Nations and is the subject of a million jokes.

It's clear he has the emotional stability of a teenage drama queen with a 7th grade understanding of US policy. Trump is the National Security threat.

At times, some things need to be destroyed before they can be rebuilt. The Republican party has been a complete disaster with Trump at the helm. Republicans have shown that they cannot control Trump, nor would they ever consider removing him from office under the 25th amendment as being unfit.

The only way to remove Trump from office is to vote BLUE this midterm.

A message from a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.


This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of bigotry, misosyny, hate, fear, anger & ignorance.

Our country is much more important than someone with an R behind their name.

A great article that every Republican should spend the next 20 minutes READING.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Repukes will never admit they put a clown in office. If anything they are resolute in support regardless of outcome.

Repukes own the show.

STFU and get back on the sideline.

 

[Marion Morrison]

In all of our lives we have made mistakes. Some of us recognize them immediately, others will deny, defend and deflect, in order to save face.

It is more than apparent by now, and I believe most Republicans know that Donald Trump is unfit to hold the highest office in the world. He is a continual threat to the very foundation of our democracy, continually attacking NATO & our allies, while snuggling up to tyrants, like Vladimir Putin. He has attacked, insulted and demeaned our Federal Agencies, institutions & the free press in this country. He has divided this country by spewing hate & fear amoung us.

He has started a Tariff war, exasberating the fear in our stock markets, while our allies have threatened 100's of billions in retalitory tariffs on American products. He is laughed at by the General Assembly of the United Nations and is the subject of a million jokes.

It's clear he has the emotional stability of a teenage drama queen with a 7th grade understanding of US policy. Trump is the National Security threat.

At times, some things need to be destroyed before they can be rebuilt. The Republican party has been a complete disaster with Trump at the helm. Republicans have shown that they cannot control Trump, nor would they ever consider removing him from office under the 25th amendment as being unfit.

The only way to remove Trump from office is to vote BLUE this midterm.

A message from a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.


This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of bigotry, misosyny, hate, fear, anger & ignorance.

Our country is much more important than someone with an R behind their name.

A great article that every Republican should spend the next 20 minutes READING.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Allow me to clue you in, bucko: Thanks to their Shenanigans, Democrats are going to get historically shellacked this midterms like never, ever before.


They never called themselves as being opposed to everything American before, yet that is now the case. They are fucked if they want votes from Americans. I predict that's not going to happen. Bigly.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

Do any of you miscreants really think you are influencing anyone with this [emoji90] propaganda? This may work for drug addicted people who need something to become addicted to other than substances. Maybe your higher power was Hillary, and you are simply lost. Perhaps it is time to take a moral inventory, and apologize to those you have wronged. Judgement day is coming....soon. Maybe civility needs to come back, and good things will happen for you.


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[DigitalDrifter]

 

[easyt65]

In all of our lives we have made mistakes. Some of us recognize them immediately, others will deny, defend and deflect, in order to save face.

It is more than apparent by now, and I believe most Republicans know that Donald Trump is unfit to hold the highest office in the world. He is a continual threat to the very foundation of our democracy, continually attacking NATO & our allies, while snuggling up to tyrants, like Vladimir Putin. He has attacked, insulted and demeaned our Federal Agencies, institutions & the free press in this country. He has divided this country by spewing hate & fear amoung us.

He has started a Tariff war, exasberating the fear in our stock markets, while our allies have threatened 100's of billions in retalitory tariffs on American products. He is laughed at by the General Assembly of the United Nations and is the subject of a million jokes.

It's clear he has the emotional stability of a teenage drama queen with a 7th grade understanding of US policy. Trump is the National Security threat.

At times, some things need to be destroyed before they can be rebuilt. The Republican party has been a complete disaster with Trump at the helm. Republicans have shown that they cannot control Trump, nor would they ever consider removing him from office under the 25th amendment as being unfit.

The only way to remove Trump from office is to vote BLUE this midterm.

A message from a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.


This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of bigotry, misosyny, hate, fear, anger & ignorance.

Our country is much more important than someone with an R behind their name.

A great article that every Republican should spend the next 20 minutes READING.
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

WOW ... over 2 years after losing the election, snowflakes are STILL creating and posting whiny-ass, butt-hurt, sore-loser, triggered, epic pissing and moaning threads...

Hey Oreo, your leadership protected Hillary from prison, f*ed Sanders, & GAVE her the nomination she could not win on her own...

Every time you try to blame the GOP for your party's f*-up ... Giving their nomination to a career sexual deviant-enabling, influence-peddling, national security-compromising, American-abandoning, Russia-colluding, 2-time loser who ran the worst campaign in history you sound like Hillary on her 'Here Is A List Of Everyone I Blame for MY Losing' Tour!

Bwuhahahaha

 

[Mike473]

We have been led to believe the Mueller will not take any actions against Trump until after the mid terms, to avoid effecting the election. Would that include clearing Trump of the matter if that is what Mueller determined?