Will people's attitude of healthcare change with the killing of that CEO?

[dblack]

You don't know?

You won't answer?

 

[Woodznutz]

You won't answer?

See post #80.

 

[dblack]

See post #80.

I saw it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you don't understand the basic problem, our poor health, what more can I say?

Yeah, what more could you say? Might as well give up right now, rather than try and learn about the issues and then talk about them.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yeah, what more could you say? Might as well give up right now, rather than try and learn about the issues and then talk about them.

The real issues, ignorance and apathy about health, won't ever be discussed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The real issues, ignorance and apathy about health, won't ever be discussed.
dblack nailed it; his health or lack of it is nobody's business but his. Stupid and selfish but that's a pretty widespread position.

So your argument for why you can't talk about this issue properly, is because OTHER PEOPLE don't talk about this issue properly?

That makes no sense.

 

[Woodznutz]

So your argument for why you can't talk about this issue properly, is because OTHER PEOPLE don't talk about this issue properly?

That makes no sense.

Too few take their health seriously enough to have a meaningful conversation about it. There is abundant information about health, but most ignore it. Most people feed their pets better than they feed themselves or their families.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Too few take their health seriously enough to have a meaningful conversation about it. There is abundant information about health, but most ignore it. Most people feed their pets better than they feed themselves or their families.

Sure, people live their lives.

People are born 100% ignorant. At birth you know how to breathe, cry and that's about it.

We need to be taught things. Do we get taught properly? I don't think so. At the same time, would people listen? People listen to their bodies, they eat sugary food when they're young and it doesn't impact them, so they don't care.

However I made plenty of mistakes when I was younger and a lot of that had to do with ignorance. Maybe I needed to learn it by myself, but I think had someone actually had a decent conversation about it with me, I might have listened.

 

[initforme]

Sure, people live their lives.

People are born 100% ignorant. At birth you know how to breathe, cry and that's about it.

We need to be taught things. Do we get taught properly? I don't think so. At the same time, would people listen? People listen to their bodies, they eat sugary food when they're young and it doesn't impact them, so they don't care.

However I made plenty of mistakes when I was younger and a lot of that had to do with ignorance. Maybe I needed to learn it by myself, but I think had someone actually had a decent conversation about it with me, I might have listened.

We also need to be monitoring the air we breathe and water we drink because big industry would willingly taint them to save a buck. Loosening clean air and water standards should never be even a discussion.

 

[Woodznutz]

We also need to be monitoring the air we breathe and water we drink because big industry would willingly taint them to save a buck. Loosening clean air and water standards should never be even a discussion.

I solved the bad water problem 50 years ago.

 

[dblack]

Sure, people live their lives.

People are born 100% ignorant. At birth you know how to breathe, cry and that's about it.

We need to be taught things. Do we get taught properly? I don't think so. At the same time, would people listen? People listen to their bodies, they eat sugary food when they're young and it doesn't impact them, so they don't care.

However I made plenty of mistakes when I was younger and a lot of that had to do with ignorance. Maybe I needed to learn it by myself, but I think had someone actually had a decent conversation about it with me, I might have listened.

And who should do that? Who should teach you how to eat?

 

[Mr Natural]

Maybe it’ll make the suits think differently.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We also need to be monitoring the air we breathe and water we drink because big industry would willingly taint them to save a buck. Loosening clean air and water standards should never be even a discussion.

Yeah, but when you elect a billionaire who claims he'll look after you...

 

[Tyrion234]

Here's a video from occupy healthcare that I was watching, if you want their take on the problem of private healthcare.
Here's my view.

1) The US federal government spends about the same, or more, per capita than the UK government does for the NHS.

2) On top of this most Americans are then forced to buy themselves healthcare. This amounts to about 50% of all spending.

3) Something like 15% of the money that people pay for health insurance goes to the health insurance company. So, in the UK without health insurance companies, for the most part, they don't need to spend 7.5% on something that is completely unnecessary.

4) On top of the 15%, a lot of money is spent on unnecessary things, like over prescription of drugs, of using the more expensive drugs, of not trying to get the price of drugs down, of doctors taking a cut for proscribing certain types of drugs, of hospitals overcharging for all kinds of things.

5) The level of corruption is HUGE:

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/msparrow/files/corruption_in_health_care-the_us_experience-ti_global_report_on_corruption-2006-pp16-22.pdf

"in 1993, Attorney General Janet Reno declared it America’s‘number two crime problem’, second only to violent crime."

In the video at the top, the presenter points to the Senate and the Biden administration trying to go after corruption, and Trump... will probably not, because Trump doesn't give a fuck whether you get treated or not. Only that his buddies make their money. We'll see if he drops these investigations.

6) How much is the fraud? Well, healthcare amounts to 15% of the US GDP, and it seems like the US spend a lot more than anyone else, and a lot of people aren't getting proper coverage. In an article about this from maybe 20 years ago they estimated corruption to be about 20%-30%.

Will anything change because people have seen a need to attack this guy? he got killed, but very few people have any sympathy for him, as he's ruined countless lives.

Bro quotes stats from 20 and 30+ years ago lmao what a douchebag