Wikileak'd video shows eager-to-kill troops firing on Reuters reporters and children

[geauxtohell]

How does a Crew Chief get in a situation to know the armaments on our attack helicopters? The scary part is you are probably serious.

That's not what you said, boss. You said you had directly been in situations similar to this.

A curious statement for a helicopter ground's crewman to make.

Why not just be honest. You have never been in a "situation like this" have you?

 

[RadiomanATL]

No, follow along. How does a Crew Chief get into a situation like the one in the video. Quit deflecting and answer the ******* question.

And yes I saw the full video. You posted it. The infantry reported an RPG.

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

The video could be six hours long have footage of US soldiers doing charity work before this incident and it wouldn't matter these fuckers.

Yup.

The 'Full Version' of The Wikileaks Video Is Missing 30 Minutes of Footage - wikileaks - Gawker

You've all seen the edited, 17 minute video of U.S. Apache helicopters killing two Reuters journalists in Iraq. Some of you may have sat through the 39 minute 'Full Version.". But even this video has a full half-hour of footage cut out from the middle. At 31:08, the video fades to black and—according to the time-stamp on the footage—resumes about 30 minutes later to show an additional missile attack.

What happened during that missing half-hour? The Jawa Report cites the sworn statements of the pilots involved in the attack. One pilot said in his statement that between the attack on the journalists and the second attack, two events occurred which may have softened the picture of the pilots provided by the video: 1) The pilots went to assist soldiers under attack, but saw a child and other "noncombatants" and held their fire. 2) The pilots saw a red SUV that may have contained insurgents, but held their fire because they couldn't get a positive identification.

The full version appears to leave out two instances of the pilots holding their fire, while including footage of them destroying a building (and hitting a passerby on the sidewalk.)

This might seem like nitpicking. After all, the full attack on the journalists was in the video, uncut from start to finish. What evidence it provides for or against improper behavior by the pilots still stands. But Wikileaks released this 'full version' to fight against exactly the kinds of claims of selective editing it appears to have done.

Update: Wikileaks editor Jullian Assange told CNN yesterday that the 39 minute video is "everything we have. It is a continuous take except for one 20 minute interval." So, Wikileaks did not edit the video themselves—their source did. But the point still stands: both the "edited" and the "full" version appear to have been selectively edited. Why leave in the second attack after the cut? And how can this be called an "uncut" or "unedited" version—the implication being that this video depicts what "really happened"—when 20 minutes of less-incriminating footage was removed? It also deepens the mystery of Wikileak's military source: Who is so disgruntled as to not only leak the video, but also edit out the slightest bit of redeeming footage?

 

[geauxtohell]

Interesting video...I clearly saw armed men with AK-47's. Perhaps it would be wise if reporters didn't associate with armed men out in the open during a war when the attacking forces have unrestricted air superiority. Common sense should prevail instead of opting for the attempt to get a sob story from the insurgents on how the big bad USA caused them to become terrorists. I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually filming an Al Qaeda recruitment video and got caught out in the open by our very professional soldiers.

Also if you see the 39 minute video the infantry reports a RPG.

I clearly saw an UNLOADED RPG launcher on one of the guys NOT identified as the camera man. Plus when our extremely efficient and professional soldiers investigated the area after the attack they did in fact find that rocket launcher.

Two things:

1.) Apache pilots are trained and experienced to identify ground weapons. Much more than we are.

2.) Did the Army confirm there was an RPG on the ground when the Infantry did the BDA?

If so, then game over.

 

[RadiomanATL]

That's not what you said, boss. You said you had directly been in situations similar to this.

He's going to say he never said that.

 

[CurveLight]

How does a Crew Chief get in a situation to know the armaments on our attack helicopters? The scary part is you are probably serious.

No, follow along. How does a Crew Chief get into a situation like the one in the video. Quit deflecting and answer the ******* question.

And yes I saw the full video. You posted it. The infantry reported an RPG.

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

 

[RadiomanATL]

No, follow along. How does a Crew Chief get into a situation like the one in the video. Quit deflecting and answer the ******* question.

And yes I saw the full video. You posted it. The infantry reported an RPG.

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

You.

Looney Tunes.

That is all.

 

[CurveLight]

How exactly does a "crew chief" get into a situation like that?

The $64K question.

With a follow up: do you think all the munitions you loaded your Cobras up with magically only hit Iraqi soldiers?

Christ, in Gulf War I there was even less concern for collateral damage then we have now.

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

No, follow along. How does a Crew Chief get into a situation like the one in the video. Quit deflecting and answer the ******* question.

And yes I saw the full video. You posted it. The infantry reported an RPG.

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

I ******* dare you to prove that I said. I said that we are making assumptions off a video that is highly edited and that may not be smart.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

How exactly does a "crew chief" get into a situation like that?

The $64K question.

With a follow up: do you think all the munitions you loaded your Cobras up with magically only hit Iraqi soldiers?

Christ, in Gulf War I there was even less concern for collateral damage then we have now.

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Yeah, you got nothing. Just like I suspected. Thanks for playing.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Strawman

 

[CurveLight]

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

You.

Looney Tunes.

That is all.

So you hope to avoid the fact you have not provided any evidence of this phantom video by ad homs. Don't worry. Your buddies will give you a free pass because your kind is deathly allergic to principles.

 

[geauxtohell]

Bushmaster was not taking fire when this happened and it's clear from the video the guys milling around on the road weren't doing anything but walking, and very casually to boot. You're straight up lying to defend what happened.

Really? Then who was on the radio saying "we are taking fire"?

You really are a pissy sport when people disagree with you.

BTW, you never answered my question: you where an AH-1 Crew Chief. Were you in the air or on the ground?

If it's the latter, I am a little puzzled how you've "been in these situations".

Here is the transcript:

Http://www.collateralmurder.org/en/transcript.html

Show us where Bushmaster says they are taking fire.

At 0249 in the 39:00 video. "We had a guy shooting". It could have been Crazy Horse referring to what they thought was the guy with the RPG.

At any rate, at 0200 you can clearly see AK-47s and that was what got the initial clearance to fire.

 

[RadiomanATL]

So you hope to avoid the fact you have not provided any evidence of this phantom video

Don't know how to read, huh?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/milit...rs-reporters-and-children-15.html#post2197480

 

[geauxtohell]

How exactly does a "crew chief" get into a situation like that?

The $64K question.

With a follow up: do you think all the munitions you loaded your Cobras up with magically only hit Iraqi soldiers?

Christ, in Gulf War I there was even less concern for collateral damage then we have now.

It's a strawman you dumfuk. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Pointing out that you are playing fast and loose with the facts on this is not a strawman. On this thread, you stated you had been in these situations.

We know now by "in these situations" you meant you were familiar with CAS because you were on a ground crew for AH-1s in the Gulf War.

That's not quite the same thing.

Also, as I said, good thing for you that there were no videos of the crew you supported. I am sure there would be some disturbing images as well.

I guess it's easier to act like your shit doesn't stink though, huh?

 

[CurveLight]

Thats not the full video either. The full video goes on for over an hour. But the parts that didn't portray our soldiers as bloodthirsty goons were cut.

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

I ******* dare you to prove that I said. I said that we are making assumptions off a video that is highly edited and that may not be smart.

Lol....you've never proven the video you were referencing existed (just like radioass) but here you get indignant and I noticed you didn't ask him for a link to prove his claim. Got hypocrisy?

 

[geauxtohell]

And we all know that RPG's are defensive weapons right? They surely aren't used to do things like shoot down helicopters. People don't realize that this is a ******* war. This is what happens in war. People get killed. These guys followed the ROE to the letter and Curvelight wants be a douchebag and play monday morning quarterback.

Or to light up the Infantry that is a few hundred meters away, which is what the pilots presumed the guy was doing when he took the cylinder-looking object and crouched behind a corner and pointed it at there direction.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

I ******* dare you to prove that I said. I said that we are making assumptions off a video that is highly edited and that may not be smart.

Lol....you've never proven the video you were referencing existed (just like radioass) but here you get indignant and I noticed you didn't ask him for a link to prove his claim. Got hypocrisy?

The proof is the video itself and its timestamps.

Clamping your hands over your ears and going la-la-la-la-la doesn't make the evidence go away.

But it is amusing to the rest of us

 

[geauxtohell]

And right now, im finishing up shcool, getting a few extra credits, and then I'm taking a Sabbatical while attending a Community College, then next year I'll either be at Eastern Carolina University, or North Carolina State.

Both of them have very good ROTC programs..

After 4 years of ROTC, i'll be signing up for Army, And my 2 MOS Choices right now are Aviation (Flying AH-64's, UH-60, etc.) Or Become a Infantry Officer.. Still deciding though.. You Recommend anything?

I am always hesitant to make recommendations. Do what you think you'll enjoy.

I thought being an Infantry Officer was the best job in the Army, but I am probably biased. I lucked out in that I always had exceptional commanders. Of course, you throw that dice no matter what branch. I do think the combat arms has the best leadership and soldiers.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Where is that video? Is this like when Crimsonbitch claimed there was an unedited version that told a different story but has never proven or retracted that claim?

I ******* dare you to prove that I said. I said that we are making assumptions off a video that is highly edited and that may not be smart.

Lol....you've never proven the video you were referencing existed (just like radioass) but here you get indignant and I noticed you didn't ask him for a link to prove his claim. Got hypocrisy?

That is because he provided a link proving that 30 minutes was missing from the 39 minute video that you posted.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I ******* dare you to prove that I said. I said that we are making assumptions off a video that is highly edited and that may not be smart.

Lol....you've never proven the video you were referencing existed (just like radioass) but here you get indignant and I noticed you didn't ask him for a link to prove his claim. Got hypocrisy?

That is because he provided a link proving that 30 minutes was missing from the 39 minute video that you posted.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?