Wife-Beating in Islam

[Menerva Lindsen]

Some "good" words about Islam.
In Islam, a husband can beat his wife if she doesn't do as he asks. Muhammad, physically struck his favorite wife for leaving the house without his permission, according to Hadith.
A husband can also beat his wife if she doesn't submit to his sexual desires.

Wife-Beating in The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

 

[Sunni Man]

And?? ......

 

[pismoe]

you ought to keep posting more of this kinda stuff Menerva .

 

[Pogo]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

 

[Blackrook]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

That makes a nice argument, but you are ignoring that the Koran explicitly allows men to beat their wives.

 

[Pogo]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

That makes a nice argument, but you are ignoring that the Koran explicitly allows men to beat their wives.

I don't know if that's the case -- I don't own a Quran and I surely don't trust what I read here -- but in any case"allows" is hardly the same as "requires" or even "prescribes". After all spouse-beating is in no way a religious act. You should see some of the depravity the bible calls for. In both cases, texts written in a vastly different culture in a vastly different time, which is always a head-scratcher as to why anybody would be following this crap for guidance in the 21st century. At least the cultural stuff.

I suspect those subhumans who wish to engage in depravity will go cherrypick anything they can find that seems to validate their depravity. But it's still a cultural custom, accepted in this one, frowned upon in that one.

 

[MaxGrit]

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The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife (Tafsir).



From the Hadith:

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'" This is Muhammad's own wife complaining of the abuse that the women of her religions suffer relative to other women.

Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Muslim (9:3506) - Muhammad's father-in-laws (Abu Bakr and Umar) amused him by slapping his wives (Aisha and Hafsa) for annoying him. According to the Hadith, the prophet of Islam laughed upon hearing this.

Abu Dawud (2141) - "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

Abu Dawud (2142) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

Abu Dawud (2126) - "A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: 'I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet).' The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: 'She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her'" A Muslim man thinks his is getting a virgin, then finds out she is pregnant. Muhammad tells him to treat the woman as a sex slave and then flog her after she has delivered the child.

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 969 - Requires that a married woman be "put in a separate room and beaten lightly" if she "act in a sexual manner toward others." According to the Hadith, this can be for an offense as petty as merely being alone with a man to whom she is not related.

Kash-shaf (the revealer) of al-Zamkhshari (Vol. 1, p. 525) - [Muhammad said] "Hang up your scourge where your wife can see it"

 

[pismoe]

good info 'max' , thankyou as it may wise some people up !!

 

[Blackrook]

Well, Islam is pretty awful isn't it? Unless you're a man who gets off on beating women, then Islam is great.

 

[TheOldSchool]

 

[Blackrook]

The OldSchool, is that a picture of you in your avatar?

 

[koshergrl]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

 

[Pogo]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

Yuh huh.
How many Muslims you been married to?

 

[koshergrl]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

Yuh huh.
How many Muslims you been married to?

I don't have to have been married to muslims to be able to read about the EPIDEMIC that is wife abuse in Islam.

So I take it you're okay with it. Just turning a blind eye? Cuz that's PC and all? Going to deny it because (I'm making my tone reverent now) they're MUSLIMS. So they're SPECIAL.

That's lame, even for you.

 

[Pogo]

TheReligionofPeace - Islam Can a Husband Beat His Wife

^^ Precisely what I mean by unreliable sources. TROP is a bullshit site.

 

[Pogo]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

Yuh huh.
How many Muslims you been married to?

I don't have to have been married to muslims to be able to read about the EPIDEMIC that is wife abuse in Islam.

So I take it you're okay with it. Just turning a blind eye? Cuz that's PC and all? Going to deny it because (I'm making my tone reverent now) they're MUSLIMS. So they're SPECIAL.

That's lame, even for you.

Oh I see, you read about it. Well isn't that special.

 

[Menerva Lindsen]

And?? ......

Why is Sunna so valuable for you? I will never understand how some people can follow some stories wrote hundreds years ago on an other continent as a lifestyle... I could not live as my parents and grands parents....

 

[koshergrl]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

Yuh huh.
How many Muslims you been married to?

I don't have to have been married to muslims to be able to read about the EPIDEMIC that is wife abuse in Islam.

So I take it you're okay with it. Just turning a blind eye? Cuz that's PC and all? Going to deny it because (I'm making my tone reverent now) they're MUSLIMS. So they're SPECIAL.

That's lame, even for you.

Oh I see, you read about it. Well isn't that special.

Only a prog idiot would sneer at someone for being well read.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why is Sunna so valuable for you? I will never understand how some people can follow some stories wrote hundreds years ago on an other continent as a lifestyle... I could not live as my parents and grands parents....

And?? .....

 

[Blackrook]

I think you'll find that spousal abuse where it exists, whether within or without Islam or any other religion, is a cultural practice, not a religious one.

Bullshit.

It is RIFE in Islam. Because their religion supports it. Please don't try to softsoap the disgusting reality of spousal abuse (and murder) that goes hand in hand with the practice of Islam.

Yuh huh.
How many Muslims you been married to?

My sister married a Muslim and suffered terrible abuse at his hands. Finally, he threw a lamp at her head, cracking it open, and she left him.