Why would ANYONE want to risk a 1 million barrel oil spill?

[Mr. H.]

It's not about sense and sensibility.
It's about politics.

I'm just as outraged as you, but it's hydrocarbons- the boogyman cometh.

The outrage is idiocy of people especially those that OBVIOUSLY depend on the biased MSM for their information!

Why are these IDIOTS so anxious to ship 1 million barrels of OIL a day by tankers that can crash!

When a oil pipeline carries ONLY 500 barrels in one mile!

Why is the concept that people aren't grasping here so difficult?

Which would you prefer 1 million barrels on ONE ship that when it travels one mile on the ocean can spill 1 million barrels OR

A pipeline buried, generally accessible within hours and monitored so like turning off a faucet the flow stops!
And in one mile if there is a spill.. at most 1,000 barrels... NOT 1,000,000 maybe spilled and also mostly recovered! Easily versus on the ocean!

I am so amazed at the majority of these people's lack of common sense!

What is worse 1 million barrels or 1,000 barrels??? GEEZ!!!!

Calm yourself.

Right now my biggest concern is that I'm out of beer.

Sometimes ya just gotta live in the moment.

 

[francoHFW]

They're both bad. That's why you try not to do EITHER. JFC.

 

[Mr. H.]

They're both bad. That's why you try not to do EITHER. JFC.

What powered the ship in your avatar?

You're just a petrophobe like the rest of the Libtardial wankers.

 

[francoHFW]

Coal, then oil.

Disposal of Hazardous Household Wastes HE 368-3
www.bae.ncsu.edu/programs/extension/publicat/.../he368_3.html - Cached - Similar
Many of these common household products contain hazardous chemicals. ... It
only takes one gallon of oil to ruin one million gallons of water. ... is collected
door-to-door by private companies or is taken to drop-off centers by individuals.

 

[Moonglow]

So go around the water source.

 

[Mr. H.]

Coal, then oil.

Disposal of Hazardous Household Wastes HE 368-3
www.bae.ncsu.edu/programs/extension/publicat/.../he368_3.html - Cached - Similar
Many of these common household products contain hazardous chemicals. ... It
only takes one gallon of oil to ruin one million gallons of water. ... is collected
door-to-door by private companies or is taken to drop-off centers by individuals.

The link isn't working. Sounds like a worthy endeavor.

Crude oil is not near a threat to the environment as is agriculture.
You are barking up the wrong tree.

Petrophobia runs deep in this one.

 

[jasonnfree]

It's not about sense and sensibility.
It's about politics.

I'm just as outraged as you, but it's hydrocarbons- the boogyman cometh.

The outrage is idiocy of people especially those that OBVIOUSLY depend on the biased MSM for their information!

Why are these IDIOTS so anxious to ship 1 million barrels of OIL a day by tankers that can crash!

When a oil pipeline carries ONLY 500 barrels in one mile!

Why is the concept that people aren't grasping here so difficult?

Which would you prefer 1 million barrels on ONE ship that when it travels one mile on the ocean can spill 1 million barrels OR

A pipeline buried, generally accessible within hours and monitored so like turning off a faucet the flow stops!
And in one mile if there is a spill.. at most 1,000 barrels... NOT 1,000,000 maybe spilled and also mostly recovered! Easily versus on the ocean!

I am so amazed at the majority of these people's lack of common sense!

What is worse 1 million barrels or 1,000 barrels??? GEEZ!!!!

If there were no XL pipeline no oil would be spilled. Almost all sources I read have said that the Canadian oil will go on the world market. If this is true, then what's the benefit of having this pipeline built except the jobs provided while it's being built? And also why should people have their land eminent domained for a foreign country (Canada)?

 

[Political Junky]

Why would anyone want to risk returning to living in the Dark Ages by destroying our energy supply?

Right, we should be developing alternate sources like solar and wind. Instead we're staying with 19th and 20th century fuel.

 

[Cowman]

Why would anyone want to risk returning to living in the Dark Ages by destroying our energy supply?

Why would anybody be so dumb as to think such a thing were possible?

 

[Mr. H.]

It's not about sense and sensibility.
It's about politics.

I'm just as outraged as you, but it's hydrocarbons- the boogyman cometh.

The outrage is idiocy of people especially those that OBVIOUSLY depend on the biased MSM for their information!

Why are these IDIOTS so anxious to ship 1 million barrels of OIL a day by tankers that can crash!

When a oil pipeline carries ONLY 500 barrels in one mile!

Why is the concept that people aren't grasping here so difficult?

Which would you prefer 1 million barrels on ONE ship that when it travels one mile on the ocean can spill 1 million barrels OR

A pipeline buried, generally accessible within hours and monitored so like turning off a faucet the flow stops!
And in one mile if there is a spill.. at most 1,000 barrels... NOT 1,000,000 maybe spilled and also mostly recovered! Easily versus on the ocean!

I am so amazed at the majority of these people's lack of common sense!

What is worse 1 million barrels or 1,000 barrels??? GEEZ!!!!

If there were no XL pipeline no oil would be spilled. Almost all sources I read have said that the Canadian oil will go on the world market. If this is true, then what's the benefit of having this pipeline built except the jobs provided while it's being built? And also why should people have their land eminent domained for a foreign country (Canada)?

Why do we export agricultural products? Corn/wheat/soybeans/sorghum?

What's the benefit there? And what is the cost to the environment?

Why do we divert 40% of corn acreage to ethanol production?

Why do we export 20% of produced ethanol?

You're just another petrophobe.

 

[francoHFW]

Google "one gallon of oil ruins a million gallons of water" and get 10 pages of websites. That's why the Pub governor of Nebraska stopped THAT route. Stop being so damn DUMB. They have double bottoms on tankers for THAT. It's called intelligence. You wouldn't know...Pub dupes!!

 

[Mr. H.]

Google "one gallon of oil ruins a million gallons of water" and get 10 pages of websites. That's why the Pub governor of Nebraska stopped THAT route. Stop being so damn DUMB. They have double bottoms on tankers for THAT. It's called intelligence. You wouldn't know...Pub dupes!!

Why are you avoiding agriculture's impact on the Ogallala aquifer?

No call for the cessation of farming?

You are more afraid of petroleum's percieved impact than you are of agriculture's historical impact.

You are... a petrophobe.

 

[healthmyths]

Google "one gallon of oil ruins a million gallons of water" and get 10 pages of websites. That's why the Pub governor of Nebraska stopped THAT route. Stop being so damn DUMB. They have double bottoms on tankers for THAT. It's called intelligence. You wouldn't know...Pub dupes!!

I did just that! "one gallon of oil ruins a million gallons of water" had 1 citations and it was your Usmessageboard.com comment!!!



So once again... reason, facts over hysteria, hyperbole...

A standard measure of oil pollution in water is 10 ppm (10 parts oil per 1,000,000 parts water).
As a gallon of water weights 10 lbs (Imperial gal) or 8 lb (US) gal) the weight od a gallon is about 4.54 kg, or 4540 gm and there are usually thought to be 40 drops in a ml a drop of oil weighs about 0.02 gm.
So 1 drop in gallon would be 0.02 gm in 4540 gm or 1 gm in 225000 gm (4 ppm). Indicating that 2.5 drops would pollute 1 gallon of water to the 10 ppm level
How many drops of oil does it take to pollute a gallon of water

How many gallons of water therefore would be polluted by 132,000 barrels of oil spilled over 50 years according to the experts.

132,000 barrels equals 5,675,000 gallons pure oil...
There are 514,918,058,400 drops of oil in the above pure oil.
If 2.5 drops would pollute 1 gallon or of water how many gallons of water would be contaminated? ---- 205,967,223,363 gallons of water contaminated.

Just a reminder... The Ogallala Aquifer holds about 1.056 quadrillion gallons of water,

So folks if 2.5 drops polluted one gallon of the 1,056,000,000,000,000 gallons what percent of the Ogallala Aquifer would be polluted???
0.019504471909% !
Folks that is 1/100th of ONE PERCENT of the Aquifer!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So NOT ONE of you ANTI-Keystone people are able to respond because the premise that the pipeline is FAR SAFER then a one million barrel tanker ANYDAY!!!

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......not to worry!!!

BIG OIL can handle.....​

....The FINE$!!​

Stupid Teabaggers

*

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E]Exxon Pipeline Breaks in Arkansas - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

March 31, 2013

The Exceptional Track-Record​

"The pipeline was carrying Canadian Wabasca Heavy crude at the time of the leak. An oil spill of more than 1,000 barrels into a Wisconsin field from an Enbridge Inc pipeline last summer kept that line shuttered for around 11 days.

Environmentalists have expressed concerns about the impact of developing the oil sands and say the crude is more corrosive to pipelines than conventional oil. On Wednesday, a train carrying Canadian crude derailed in Minnesota, spilling 15,000 gallons of oil.

Last week PHMSA proposed that Exxon pay a $1.7 million fine over pipeline safety violations stemming from a July 2011 oil spill from its Silvertip pipeline in the Yellowstone River. The line, which carries 40,000 barrels per day in Montana, leaked about 1,500 barrels of crude after heavy flooding in the area."

​

 

[healthmyths]

So NOT ONE of you ANTI-Keystone people are able to respond because the premise that the pipeline is FAR SAFER then a one million barrel tanker ANYDAY!!!

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......not to worry!!!

BIG OIL can handle.....​

....The FINE$!!​

Stupid Teabaggers

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E]Exxon Pipeline Breaks in Arkansas - YouTube[/ame]​

FACTS!!!
On Friday, the ExxonMobil Pegasus pipeline, which brings Canadian crude oil from Illinois to Texas, ruptured, leaking at least 80,000 gallons of oil into the Central Arkansas town of Mayflower.
Exxon pipeline breaks spilling 84,000 gallons of Canadian crude oil near Arkansas lake [UPDATED] : TreeHugger


hmmm 80,000 gallons is 1,904 barrels...

STILL a long ways from 1 million barrels travel 1 mile on the open ocean in a tanker!!!


There are 160,000 miles of pipeline crisscrossing the United States.
Interstate pipelines deliver over 11.3 billion barrels of petroleum each year. 31 million barrels a day!
AOPL | Why Pipelines?

Keystone XL Pipeline would have 1,700 miles of pipeline, carrying 500,000 to 700,000 barrels of crude a day, stretching through the country's heartland.
The pipeline would be equipped with 16,000 sensors that would monitor the flow of the oil abnormal activity it would shut down quickly.
Oil pipeline bursts, crude oil spills in Arkansas neighborhood - WSFA.com: News Weather and Sports for Montgomery, AL.

 

[editec]

Why would anyone want to risk returning to living in the Dark Ages by destroying our energy supply?

Perhaps because it is their lives, their land, their futures, their net worths that are being wrecked in order for us to have an energy supply?

I know that is exactly why I am objecting to an LNG port facility that is proposed in my town.

If those selfish pricks would buy me out so that I didn't have to live near a potential catastropic disaster, I'd be more supportive of the development.

But industrialists seldom do the right thing unless they absolutely have to.

They like to pretend that their development does not effect the lives of the people living nearby and usually the courts agree with them.

Socialism for the RICH, capitalism for the poor, per usual.

 

[healthmyths]

SO AGAIN will any of you be so stupid as to say 1 million barrels traveling 1 mile in a tanker on the open ocean is safer then 193 barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline?

Oh for you math deficients.. divide 31 million barrels traveling per day by 160,000 miles or in one mile 193 barrels!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So NOT ONE of you ANTI-Keystone people are able to respond because the premise that the pipeline is FAR SAFER then a one million barrel tanker ANYDAY!!!

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......not to worry!!!

BIG OIL can handle.....​

....The FINE$!!​

Stupid Teabaggers

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u30m8U6VP3E]Exxon Pipeline Breaks in Arkansas - YouTube[/ame]​

FACTS!!!
On Friday, the ExxonMobil Pegasus pipeline, which brings Canadian crude oil from Illinois to Texas, ruptured, leaking at least 80,000 gallons of oil into the Central Arkansas town of Mayflower.

....And, if those Canadian-pipelines went to refineries on THEIR West Coast....MUCH closer to the (eventual) Asian-customers....we'd see ZERO leaks/spills, down here!!!!

The Downside?? Texas refineries would have to concentrate on the THOUSANDS of CAPPED wells, in the Gulf O' Mexico.​

 

[healthmyths]

Why would anyone want to risk returning to living in the Dark Ages by destroying our energy supply?

Perhaps because it is their lives, their land, their futures, their net worths that are being wrecked in order for us to have an energy supply?

I know that is exactly why I am objecting to an LNG port facility that is proposed in my town.

If those selfish pricks would buy me out so that I didn't have to live near a potential catastropic disaster, I'd be more supportive of the development.

But industrialists seldom do the right thing unless they absolutely have to.

They like to pretend that their development does not effect the lives of the people living nearby and usually the courts agree with them.

Socialism for the RICH, capitalism for the poor, per usual.

Boo hoo... woe is you!!!
ONCE again the NIMBY idiots complain but bitch and moan when gas prices go up!
Who...f..king cares about your subjective personal supposed RISK??
Give me FACTS idiot!
A) EXACTLY HOW close to you live to the proposed Liquid Natural GAS facility?
B) How many towns have been destroyed entirely by LNG port facility?
C) HOW much higher will your property taxes BE if this LNG ISN'T built?
D) How many jobs will NOT be created?

SELFISH IGNORANT dumb fuck... you live in one of these proposed 17 port facilities?

• Irving Oil's Canaport LNG terminal in St. John, NB, was approved by Canadian authorities;
• Anadarko Petroleum's Bear Head LNG terminal in Cape Breton Island, NS, also was approved in Canada;
• Hess LNG and Poten & Partners' Weaver's Cove LNG project in Fall River, MA, was approved by FERC;
• AES Corp.'s Ocean Express Pipeline was granted a certificate by FERC in 2004 but its Ocean Cay LNG terminal has not been approved in the Bahamas;
• Suez Energy North America's Calypso Freeport Bahamas pipeline was granted a certificate by FERC but its LNG port in the Bahamas has not received a permit and the company is now expected to file plans with the Coast Guard for an offshore Florida port instead;
• Corpus Christi LNG LP's (Cheniere and Sherwin Alumina affiliate BPU LLC) onshore terminal in Corpus Christi was approved by FERC in April 2005;
• Cheniere LNG's Sabine Pass terminal in Sabine Pass, LA, was approved by FERC in March 2005;
• Occidental Petroleum's Ingleside Energy Center in Ingleside, TX, was approved by FERC in July 2005;
• ExxonMobil's Golden Pass project in Sabine Pass, TX, was approved by FERC in July 2005;
• Freeport LNG Development's terminal in Freeport, TX, was approved by FERC in June 2004;
• Sempra Energy's Cameron LNG terminal in Hackberry, LA, was approved by FERC in September 2003;
• ExxonMobil's Vista del Sol LNG terminal and pipeline were approved by FERC in June 2005;
• Chevron's Port Pelican LNG port was approved by the Maritime Administration (MARAD);
• Shell's Gulf Landing LNG port also was approved by MARAD in February 2005;
• The Altamira LNG terminal proposed by Shell, Total and Mitsui, in Altamira, Mexico on the Gulf Coast was approved by Mexican authorities;
• Sempra Energy and Shell's Energy Costa Azul LNG terminal in Ensenada, Baja California Norte, Mexico, was approved; and
• Chevron's Terminal GNL Mar Adentro project offshore Tijuana, Mexico, received final authorization from Mexican authorities in January 2005.

LNG Terminals - status of proposed and existing facilities.

AND those so called GREEDY BASTARDS???


Summary of Conclusions from the Lloyd’’s Report In terms of pool spread

• •• The LFL for methane/air mixtures is ~5% so the LFL boundary is well within the visible cloud
• •• Modeling of dispersion cloud 3-6 km. Dispersion on that scale unlikely because of local ignition sources
• •• Exposure at 300 meters (1000ft) from a pool fire would cause pain within 60 seconds
• •• Warming gas cloud will become lighter than air and rise
• •• No direct environmental damage or clean up from primary spill
• •• A fire fed by single (25,000 m3) cargo tank vented through a 1m2 hole would last 1hr - burn diameter 25 meters

JUST ONE SLIDE from the following slides you can if you weren't such a dumb fuck...deal with FACTS here:

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/02/ngt/Quillen.pdf

But of course dumb ignorant idiots like you frequently deal in hyperbole, hysteria.. AND NOT FACTS!