Why we need the 2nd Amendment

[Wyatt earp]

So by your thinking, those who don't have a 2nd and not saturated by guns don't have freedom. Is that right.
There are numerous countries in the world that don't have that and are free.

No its not. The second was written before the gun saturation happened. Take it as you like but guns and freedom are not linked. Youre using it as a justification but never used them in unison to achieve either.

No its not. Let's say all guns disappeared overnight for instance. What would happen the very next day? Would you run your life differently?
Would no guns immediately restrict your freedom? I'd say having a gun would restrict where you might like to go.

I'm saying you have no use for all those guns. Don't give me the hunting and protection bullshit. It doesn't exist and you've probably never faced that situation. You'd be too frightened to go to LA by yourself un armed. I have a couple of times.

Still not a justification compared to what you say you have them for.

Most Western democracies are free and ill bet your style of living is not one they are willing to import.


I explained that above and you are still wrong.

Youre like a broken record. Is that all you have?

Thats not the justifications you been saying. You know that. Going to your default position is not justification.

The numerous country's that are free is because of the USA 2 nd amendment

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

America needs the 2nd amendment to allow those who would be willing to shoot their own countryman under the guise (false pretence) of 'defending me and my family'. Such a stupid reason in most countries would scupper (thwart or ruin) your gun application.

If a dude was raping your daughter and you had a locked and loaded firearm in your hand, would you shoot him, or call the cops and wait for them to do something about it?

 

[2aguy]

America needs the 2nd amendment to allow those who would be willing to shoot their own countryman under the guise (false pretence) of 'defending me and my family'. Such a stupid reason in most countries would scupper (thwart or ruin) your gun application.

Europe…..took guns away people….then murdered 15 million of them


15 million murdered by their governments…………

You have absolutely nothing to teach us……

 

[1stNickD]

I thought that was why we spent $700Billion a year on defense...

And biden would order that none of it be used so we don't hurt the enemies' feelings. look at the truth in our cities, every law-abiding person in those blue towns need to have self-protection, because the police are not allowed to arrest violent thugs anymore.

A group of New York City dirt bike riders yank a father and son out of their car, then beat and rob them in broad daylight

Law abiding citizens need to protect themselves because the far left socialist's, and deviant democrats refuse to maintain a decent and lawful society. In fact, the more lawless and violent our society becomes the more the left seems to like it.

 

[1stNickD]

We do not need assault weapons. The semiautomatic AR and AK platforms, along with the other weapons we can buy and use, such as semiautomatic shotguns are plenty for personal defense, sports shooting, or hunting, and will suffice, along with the myriad high quality pistol. I favor mandatory training and permits, off your property or out of your vehicle or boat.

I used to support permits, but in my state, the left is so close to completely eliminating the second amendment that its scary. You cannot legally own a firearm without a fire arms ID card and in some cases it takes over a year to obtain one. Laws are being passed that allows the anti second amendment crowd to remove all of your rightfully owned firearms if an ex girl friend or boyfriend tells a mental health official that they think you might harm yourself. There doesn't have to be anything to it, and your second amendment rights are gone... Then you have to spend a fortune prove you are sane. And if you think there are no vindictive ex's out there, you live in a fairyland.

Of course the mental health experts will make a fortune by insisting you just need another 6 more months of their therapy charged at 250 dollars an hour to your insurance company. Then in 6 months you will be told its just another 6 months before you can have your grand fathers favorite hunting rifle back. By the time you clear their barriers it could be years, and your heirloom may well be damaged or lost in the system.

The answer is simple, commit any type of crime using a gun and its a mandatory 10 years in prison and if you actually use it its 25 years, even if no one was hurt. And if you kill someone with a gun during a crime, you don't get out until you are too old to chew your own food.

 

[Vrenn]

And biden would order that none of it be used so we don't hurt the enemies' feelings. look at the truth in our cities, every law-abiding person in those blue towns need to have self-protection, because the police are not allowed to arrest violent thugs anymore.

A group of New York City dirt bike riders yank a father and son out of their car, then beat and rob them in broad daylight

Law abiding citizens need to protect themselves because the far left socialist's, and deviant democrats refuse to maintain a decent and lawful society. In fact, the more lawless and violent our society becomes the more the left seems to like it.

The only reason we don't have more videos from Rural Areas for violence is that there aren't nearly as many cameras and phones available. Before I state this, you may wish to resist in screaming "Lie, False and Cite" at the top of your lungs. The facts remain that there is a higher number of violent crimes in rural areas than Urban areas. And those areas are primarily Republican. Plus, the number of welfare recipients are higher per capita goes to the Republican Controlled States. I am not going to give the democrats a free ride on this like you have the republicans.

 

[White 6]

I used to support permits, but in my state, the left is so close to completely eliminating the second amendment that its scary. You cannot legally own a firearm without a fire arms ID card and in some cases it takes over a year to obtain one. Laws are being passed that allows the anti second amendment crowd to remove all of your rightfully owned firearms if an ex girl friend or boyfriend tells a mental health official that they think you might harm yourself. There doesn't have to be anything to it, and your second amendment rights are gone... Then you have to spend a fortune prove you are sane. And if you think there are no vindictive ex's out there, you live in a fairyland.

Of course the mental health experts will make a fortune by insisting you just need another 6 more months of their therapy charged at 250 dollars an hour to your insurance company. Then in 6 months you will be told its just another 6 months before you can have your grand fathers favorite hunting rifle back. By the time you clear their barriers it could be years, and your heirloom may well be damaged or lost in the system.

The answer is simple, commit any type of crime using a gun and its a mandatory 10 years in prison and if you actually use it its 25 years, even if no one was hurt. And if you kill someone with a gun during a crime, you don't get out until you are too old to chew your own food.

I understand your position. In fact, I am not as hard minded against the constitutional carry thing, though I still believe in the value of training, licensing, and national background checks. But, I have been made aware, of the true expenses, hurdles and hoops, you guys in states that lost control of or practically speaking lost control of your weapons rights for self protection in your states. I do not come from or live in one of those states. We do not have to have a special ID or permit to buy a weapon. We are not required to have a weapon or ID'd permit to buy or store ammunition. I am retired military. My CCW cost me $65.00 bucks for 8 years. I still intend to keep mine up. At the moment I am unaware of any state that allows unrestricted weapons carry by citizens from other state that are not permit holders, and we like to travel. I understand and support this, as you cannot allow people from out of state, swarming in with weapons any time there is a riot, demonstration, or (heaven forbid) some nuts decide the reason they failed on January 6th was because they did not have firepower to make their insurrection stick. I do not know how you folks lost your rights and hope I never have to find out. In this state, I doubt I ever will. I still recommend you get trained and permitted. If you do not plan to carry while traveling, that is up to you.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Europe…..took guns away people….then murdered 15 million of them


15 million murdered by their governments…………

You have absolutely nothing to teach us……

Europe didn't.

 

[Blues Man]

By your thinking, why don't you all have tanks and rocket launchers?
Because you have no use for them as I said.
Freedom doesn't allow you to do what you want regardless of what you think. Wouldn't it be nice without some government. You nuts would be out of control. The country would be like the wild west.

That's not my thinking so don't try to pretend you can speak for me.

My use for firearms is solely for self defense because the police cannot protect people and the police have no legal obligation to come to the aid of anyone.

And FYI the Wild West wasn't very wild.

MAybe you should get your history from some other source than old Westerns

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Europe didn't.

European governments have been murdering unarmed citizens for two thousand years.

 

[Blues Man]

America needs the 2nd amendment to allow those who would be willing to shoot their own countryman under the guise (false pretence) of 'defending me and my family'. Such a stupid reason in most countries would scupper (thwart or ruin) your gun application.

So you think self defense is a false pretense?

SO tell me is some guy comes at you swinging a lead pipe you'll just stand there and let him beat your skull to a pulp because self defense is a false pretense?

You are that fucking stupid and you think other people should take you and your equally stupid opinion on guns seriously?

 

[Blues Man]

European governments have been murdering unarmed citizens for two thousand years.

No one in the UK has the right to own a firearm. It is a privilege granted by the government and that privilege can be revoked at any time for any reason.

People in the UK are so used to being ruled that they cannot understand the concept that rights are inherent in each person and cannot be granted or revoked by the fucking government

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

By your thinking, why don't you all have tanks and rocket launchers?
Because you have no use for them as I said.
Freedom doesn't allow you to do what you want regardless of what you think. Wouldn't it be nice without some government. You nuts would be out of control. The country would be like the wild west.

Because rocket launchers aren't "arms". But, you all best be careful making that stupid argument; one day gun owners might want to own rocket launchers and own them we will.

 

[WinterBorn]

And biden would order that none of it be used so we don't hurt the enemies' feelings. look at the truth in our cities, every law-abiding person in those blue towns need to have self-protection, because the police are not allowed to arrest violent thugs anymore.

A group of New York City dirt bike riders yank a father and son out of their car, then beat and rob them in broad daylight

Law abiding citizens need to protect themselves because the far left socialist's, and deviant democrats refuse to maintain a decent and lawful society. In fact, the more lawless and violent our society becomes the more the left seems to like it.

I am a 2nd amendment supporter, gun owner and shooter. But even without a gun, before I let some punk pull me out of my car there would be some punks and bikes run over.

 

[Captain Caveman]

European governments have been murdering unarmed citizens for two thousand years.

Keep taking the meds.

 

[Captain Caveman]

So you think self defense is a false pretense?

SO tell me is some guy comes at you swinging a lead pipe you'll just stand there and let him beat your skull to a pulp because self defense is a false pretense?

You are that fucking stupid and you think other people should take you and your equally stupid opinion on guns seriously?

So people are swinging lead pipes at you? Let's carry on this daft hypothetical crap. You grabbed the pipe, thus disarming him. He panicked and ran off.

Or

The 4 year girl walking along, ran over and saved you from this pipe weilding maniac by using a karate kick she learnt off YouTube.

 

[WinterBorn]

So people are swinging lead pipes at you? Let's carry on this daft hypothetical crap. You grabbed the pipe, thus disarming him. He panicked and ran off.

Or

The 4 year girl walking along, ran over and saved you from this pipe weilding maniac by using a karate kick she learnt off YouTube.

First of all, grabbing the pipe is a great idea that very likely won't work. Just like the idea that a child learned a karate kick off YouTube.

I am 62 years old. I am in decent shape, but my fighting days are long gone. If I am out in the world, and I am attacked by a single thug, chances are pretty good he is younger and in good shape. At the very least he is faster. If I am attacked by more than one thug, I am screwed if I am unarmed.

Plus, if I see violence being done on the street I will step up. Without my gun I become just another victim.

 

[Captain Caveman]

First of all, grabbing the pipe is a great idea that very likely won't work. Just like the idea that a child learned a karate kick off YouTube.

I am 62 years old. I am in decent shape, but my fighting days are long gone. If I am out in the world, and I am attacked by a single thug, chances are pretty good he is younger and in good shape. At the very least he is faster. If I am attacked by more than one thug, I am screwed if I am unarmed.

Plus, if I see violence being done on the street I will step up. Without my gun I become just another victim.

NEVER move to the UK, sounds like you won't survive 5 minutes, we must be made of harder stuff.

If you feel you're willing to use a gun on someone, you are the worst candidate to be in possession of a gun, hence why your 2ndA has caused dreadful gun stats in the US. And secondly, crime and crime by a gun creates miniscule stats in every day life but often, crime is perceived to be a great threat by Joe public. It's an education issue.

 

[WinterBorn]

NEVER move to the UK, sounds like you won't survive 5 minutes, we must be made of harder stuff.

I have visited the UK several times. I am made of the same stuff. I just have better teeth.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I have visited the UK several times. I am made of the same stuff. I just have better teeth.

That old chestnut, lmfao. The number of Americans I've had to school on this. Americans suffer from vanity, they need false white shining teeth, thus they spend money on that fakeness. Brits actually spend more of teeth hygiene, thus retaining the natural colour of teeth. The low IQ Americans that default to teeth doesn't know this and think Brit teeth are worse because of the natural colour, as opposed to the bright white vanity ailment.

The myth of bad British teeth

So just like your inept knowledge on crime, I've had to school you on your teeth vanity. And you're 62? You come across as an uneducated teenager, where the heck have you been??