Why we have to redistribute income through taxes

[jon_berzerk]

what happens when they run of people to TAX?

almost 47% of people are on some form of government assistance ALREADY

I guess we'll be in what they call that, liberal UTOPIA

d.e.t.r.o.i.t. = lib utopia

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

what happens when they run of people to TAX?

almost 47% of people are on some form of government assistance ALREADY

I guess we'll be in what they call that, liberal UTOPIA

You know about 1 in 4 of those 47% are retired old folks who've paid plenty in taxes. Another 1 in 4 are college students who will wind up paying more in taxes than you'll ever ******* dream of even earning in your pathetic life.
Those people don't really count to you though, because you're a ******* brain dead idiot.

 

[Erand7899]

Plutocrats need to STFU, pay their taxes, ride their goldplated jet skis and be thankful we haven't eaten them alive yet.

I don't think the plutocrats are the least bit concerned about you, or your ilk. First, you are a whole lot smaller number than you think you are, and none of you will do crap unless you have a crowd to hide in.

 

[The Rabbi]

hmmmmmmmm !!!! so you're ok with corporations buying ads here that help their selected candidates get laws passed that allow corporations to be paid by tax dollars, to ship their machines, their technology, that was invented here in the united states, to build a corporation on your tax dollar ... then sell the product that they use to make it back here in this country at a higher profit ... allowing those lazy non-workers force, how did you say it ??? choose not to work... because their are no ******* jobs to be had for them to not work ... and you don't think its a good thing to help these "not workers"...

Wow... you're just FULL of mindless, bigoted drivel.

Want to take a stab at showing how the data on the OP necessarily leads to the conclusion of the OP?

yes its real easy ... you won't understand ... but its real easy ... right now they are dumping cheep Chinese steel in this country ... for these steel companies to be able to compete here they have to close down their plants and move to a different country or go out of business or where they can compete with the chinese steel thats being dumped here causing these steel workers to lose their jobs ... this all happen under reagan bush one bush two ..the passed laws that allow the corporations to move out of country be paid by tax payer dollars to do so the sell back their product here at a cheeper rate ... causing their profit margins to go up ... now show us there this doesn't happen .... and I call you a liar ...cause thats how Mit wit Romney made his Millions of dollars .... what's mindless, bigoted drivel is your inability to understand what's been going on ...you are blinded by your mindless, repub-lie-tard bigoted drivel

Actually the steel imdndustry was already decimated under Carter and previously Ford. The major culprit was the unions, who demnded higher wages such that companes could not invest in modernizing equipment, nor could they fire workers they didnt need anymore.
But please reference what laws were passed that enabled companies to move off shore. I predict you will obfuscate, deflect, provide a wrong answer and then claim you already answered it.

 

[Shanty]

I can tell you're losing the argument. Deflection, insults.
OK, let me remind you that "average" can be three different things: mean, media, and mode. Your idiotic chart that you dont understand doesnt reference which it is. It actually doesnt tell you anything. Thats part of what makes it useless, except to show that morons like you cant read charts.
Additionally a growing labor workforce of younger workers will push down the average wages, even as those longer in the workforce make more. Did that happen? Yes it did.
So here's your lesson for today, sonny. Read the chart and don't assume. Because when you assume you make an ass out of yourself.

Ahh.. So when you started off with deflection and insults, that meant what exactly?

Yeah. Now tuck your tail dude. As I said, by any measurement, you're losing the argument.
Middle Class Political Economist: Basics: Real Wages Remain Below Their Peak for 39th Straight Year

Silly rabbi. He got no Trix, but wishes he had some. Awesome fail on the average versus median thing. Poor wing nuts. Ideology blinds them to even the definition of words.

You post a blog that shows no more intelligence in statistics than you have. What a shock.
You have been thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly, debunked and defrocked here. You have no experience in business, other than buying stuff from them. You dont know anything about stats. You can't read a graph. You can't respond to an argument. You can't defend your own argument.
You are thoroughly worthless. Another poseur liberal pretending he knows something.
You're dismissed.

nothing better than watching someone like you, who's lost the argument, declare yourself the winner with absolutely no evidence you know what you're talking about.

But hey... I'll teach you how to read charts, since you seem to be embarrassed about not being able to. .

 

[billyerock1991]

Hmm. What if that increased productivity is due to the increased use of robotics? Robots can work 24/7 and don't take coffee breaks, or lunch break. They don't tend to get sick, and if they do, they can usually be put back in operation within a day.

Nope. I don't see a reason to give money to people who don't work. I really don't. I have no problem helping those who CAN'T work. That is what the social contract is about after all....but those who choose not to work..... Nope...They can go piss up a rope for all I care.

hmmmmmmmm !!!! so you're ok with corporations buying ads here that help their selected candidates get laws passed that allow corporations to be paid by tax dollars, to ship their machines, their technology, that was invented here in the united states, to build a corporation on your tax dollar ... then sell the product that they use to make it back here in this country at a higher profit ... allowing those lazy non-workers force, how did you say it ??? choose not to work... because their are no ******* jobs to be had for them to not work ... and you don't think its a good thing to help these "not workers"...

Why yes. Yes I am. If Unions are allowed to it so should EVERYONE ELSE. That's what it means to live in a few society. Only police states and progressive utopia nightmares muzzle speech.

the difference is you know what the unions are asking for ... you don't know what these corporations are wanting, you dolts ... unions are asking for more money for the worker, more workers ... the corporations are asking to take that money back and do it so they all lose ... look at all the retirement plans that have been stolen from retired Union workers under the disguise of keep the corporation open ... what do these corporations do ??? the get it to where its making good money, then move that plant to over seas to make larger profits ... you haven't a clue in what's going on here ..... you just listen to your repub-lie-tard masters all the way to the poor house ...then blame it on us liberals for not stopping it ... you're to stupid to pay attention

 

[The Rabbi]

Ahh.. So when you started off with deflection and insults, that meant what exactly?

Yeah. Now tuck your tail dude. As I said, by any measurement, you're losing the argument.
Middle Class Political Economist: Basics: Real Wages Remain Below Their Peak for 39th Straight Year

Silly rabbi. He got no Trix, but wishes he had some. Awesome fail on the average versus median thing. Poor wing nuts. Ideology blinds them to even the definition of words.

You post a blog that shows no more intelligence in statistics than you have. What a shock.
You have been thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly, debunked and defrocked here. You have no experience in business, other than buying stuff from them. You dont know anything about stats. You can't read a graph. You can't respond to an argument. You can't defend your own argument.
You are thoroughly worthless. Another poseur liberal pretending he knows something.
You're dismissed.

nothing better than watching someone like you, who's lost the argument, declare yourself the winner with absolutely no evidence you know what you're talking about.

But hey... I'll teach you how to read charts, since you seem to be embarrassed about not being able to. .

Ironic post is ironic.
You gave up claiming the original chart showed wages. Or did you?

 

[The Rabbi]

hmmmmmmmm !!!! so you're ok with corporations buying ads here that help their selected candidates get laws passed that allow corporations to be paid by tax dollars, to ship their machines, their technology, that was invented here in the united states, to build a corporation on your tax dollar ... then sell the product that they use to make it back here in this country at a higher profit ... allowing those lazy non-workers force, how did you say it ??? choose not to work... because their are no ******* jobs to be had for them to not work ... and you don't think its a good thing to help these "not workers"...

Why yes. Yes I am. If Unions are allowed to it so should EVERYONE ELSE. That's what it means to live in a few society. Only police states and progressive utopia nightmares muzzle speech.

the difference is you know what the unions are asking for ... you don't know what these corporations are wanting, you dolts ... unions are asking for more money for the worker, more workers ... the corporations are asking to take that money back and do it so they all lose ... look at all the retirement plans that have been stolen from retired Union workers under the disguise of keep the corporation open ... what do these corporations do ??? the get it to where its making good money, then move that plant to over seas to make larger profits ... you haven't a clue in what's going on here ..... you just listen to your repub-lie-tard masters all the way to the poor house ...then blame it on us liberals for not stopping it ... you're to stupid to pay attention

Please cite the union workers whose retirement has been stolen by companies moving oversees.

 

[Shanty]

The only fair tax is a flat tax: whatever percent, probably around 20%, applied to every single dollar earned by anyone, no deductions of any kind. That way special interests can't carve out subsidies to their activities, and anyone advocating for higher taxes will be willing to pony up themselves. Simple, easy, and eminently fair. It also gives everyone an incentive to make sure the USFG is only as big as it needs to be, and no more.

Flat taxes are an incredibly stupid and unfair way to tax. They're regressive, and place tax burdens on those who companies and the wealthy need the most, the consumers. It's a downward spiral for economies to go to flat taxes, national sales taxes, and other regressive taxes, unless the money goes to those consumers.

 

[Shanty]

The only fair tax is a flat tax: whatever percent, probably around 20%, applied to every single dollar earned by anyone, no deductions of any kind. That way special interests can't carve out subsidies to their activities, and anyone advocating for higher taxes will be willing to pony up themselves. Simple, easy, and eminently fair. It also gives everyone an incentive to make sure the USFG is only as big as it needs to be, and no more.

I would be a virtual tax cut to everyone because the simplification would cut compliance costs to a tenth. But the inability of pols to dole out goodies to favored groups is exactly what will sink its chances.

It would be a tax hike on everyone except the biggest welfare receivers, like billionaires and corporations. It's one of the dumbest tax systems to go with, which is why economists who are based in reality oppose it. But, I can see where stupidity is something you hold close in your belief system. Tell us again there's no difference between average and median. LOL.

 

[The Rabbi]

The only fair tax is a flat tax: whatever percent, probably around 20%, applied to every single dollar earned by anyone, no deductions of any kind. That way special interests can't carve out subsidies to their activities, and anyone advocating for higher taxes will be willing to pony up themselves. Simple, easy, and eminently fair. It also gives everyone an incentive to make sure the USFG is only as big as it needs to be, and no more.

I would be a virtual tax cut to everyone because the simplification would cut compliance costs to a tenth. But the inability of pols to dole out goodies to favored groups is exactly what will sink its chances.

It would be a tax hike on everyone except the biggest welfare receivers, like billionaires and corporations. It's one of the dumbest tax systems to go with, which is why economists who are based in reality oppose it. But, I can see where stupidity is something you hold close in your belief system. Tell us again there's no difference between average and median. LOL.

Once again proving you know nothing about it.
Russia has had one for years, as have many east European countries. Their tax revenues increased as incentives to hide it went away.
/you fail.

 

[billyerock1991]

Threads like these confirm how correct we are to fight -- to death if necessary, to retain our Second Amendment rights

Are you saying we should have shot the rich people who rigged the system and redistributed our wealth to themselves or are you only going to take up arms if we try to take what they stole back?

And are you rich or are you going to fight us for your master?

Chances are you aren't rich enough to worry about it. Chances are if we re distribute that wealth that'll put a few extra bucks in your pocket.

Of course. Who do you think is pushing gun control? The wealthy can't kill you till you're disarmed. The multinational corporations are not our friends. All these laws that are passed to regulate corporations really serve to harm the smaller corporations that are in local competition with the multinationals.

I love the small LLC's and the mom and pop businesses that I support, I don't like the big box stores and assholes like Goldman Sachs that you progressives bend over backwards to support.

boy are you really fucked in the head .... you have no Idea what a liberal or a progressive is about... I don't know of any Progressive or liberal that supported Goldman sack or any multinational corporations ... we have been for years trying to get these multinational corporations from dumping their cheep products ... that are way cheeper then these small corporation here for years ... where the hell have you been
what do you think the liberals and progressive have been trying to do for years ??? we have been trying to pass regulations on these multinational corporations to pay tariffs on their products coming to this country ... so we can compete ... how can we compete with a multinational corporations that pays 12 cents a day to their 12 year old worker ??? heres how ...put a tariffs on their products ... thats all you can do ...but your republican masters say NOooooooooooo we won't allow that ... and it keeps getting worse...

as for gun laws ... we liberals and progressive don't like large mag.. and we want back ground check on all gun sales whether its done at a gun show, gun store or you do it from your home, thats it ... what's so god damn bad about that ...

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you saying we should have shot the rich people who rigged the system and redistributed our wealth to themselves or are you only going to take up arms if we try to take what they stole back?

And are you rich or are you going to fight us for your master?

Chances are you aren't rich enough to worry about it. Chances are if we re distribute that wealth that'll put a few extra bucks in your pocket.

Of course. Who do you think is pushing gun control? The wealthy can't kill you till you're disarmed. The multinational corporations are not our friends. All these laws that are passed to regulate corporations really serve to harm the smaller corporations that are in local competition with the multinationals.

I love the small LLC's and the mom and pop businesses that I support, I don't like the big box stores and assholes like Goldman Sachs that you progressives bend over backwards to support.

boy are you really fucked in the head .... you have no Idea what a liberal or a progressive is about... I don't know of any Progressive or liberal that supported Goldman sack or any multinational corporations ... we have been for years trying to get these multinational corporations from dumping their cheep products ... that are way cheeper then these small corporation here for years ... where the hell have you been
what do you think the liberals and progressive have been trying to do for years ??? we have been trying to pass regulations on these multinational corporations to pay tariffs on their products coming to this country ... so we can compete ... how can we compete with a multinational corporations that pays 12 cents a day to their 12 year old worker ??? heres how ...put a tariffs on their products ... thats all you can do ...but your republican masters say NOooooooooooo we won't allow that ... and it keeps getting worse...

as for gun laws ... we liberals and progressive don't like large mag.. and we want back ground check on all gun sales whether its done at a gun show, gun store or you do it from your home, thats it ... what's so god damn bad about that ...

If protecting industries through tariffs worked East Germany would be a powerhouse.

 

[westwall]

hmmmmmmmm !!!! so you're ok with corporations buying ads here that help their selected candidates get laws passed that allow corporations to be paid by tax dollars, to ship their machines, their technology, that was invented here in the united states, to build a corporation on your tax dollar ... then sell the product that they use to make it back here in this country at a higher profit ... allowing those lazy non-workers force, how did you say it ??? choose not to work... because their are no ******* jobs to be had for them to not work ... and you don't think its a good thing to help these "not workers"...

Why yes. Yes I am. If Unions are allowed to it so should EVERYONE ELSE. That's what it means to live in a few society. Only police states and progressive utopia nightmares muzzle speech.

the difference is you know what the unions are asking for ... you don't know what these corporations are wanting, you dolts ... unions are asking for more money for the worker, more workers ... the corporations are asking to take that money back and do it so they all lose ... look at all the retirement plans that have been stolen from retired Union workers under the disguise of keep the corporation open ... what do these corporations do ??? the get it to where its making good money, then move that plant to over seas to make larger profits ... you haven't a clue in what's going on here ..... you just listen to your repub-lie-tard masters all the way to the poor house ...then blame it on us liberals for not stopping it ... you're to stupid to pay attention

Of course we do. Unions are asking for things to make the unions stronger that's what they do. My dad was a lifelong Teamster and he watched his pension robbed repeatedly so the Teamster bosses could live large on the backs of the membership.

My dad despises the Teamsters.

 

[westwall]

Are you saying we should have shot the rich people who rigged the system and redistributed our wealth to themselves or are you only going to take up arms if we try to take what they stole back?

And are you rich or are you going to fight us for your master?

Chances are you aren't rich enough to worry about it. Chances are if we re distribute that wealth that'll put a few extra bucks in your pocket.

Of course. Who do you think is pushing gun control? The wealthy can't kill you till you're disarmed. The multinational corporations are not our friends. All these laws that are passed to regulate corporations really serve to harm the smaller corporations that are in local competition with the multinationals.

I love the small LLC's and the mom and pop businesses that I support, I don't like the big box stores and assholes like Goldman Sachs that you progressives bend over backwards to support.

boy are you really fucked in the head .... you have no Idea what a liberal or a progressive is about... I don't know of any Progressive or liberal that supported Goldman sack or any multinational corporations ... we have been for years trying to get these multinational corporations from dumping their cheep products ... that are way cheeper then these small corporation here for years ... where the hell have you been
what do you think the liberals and progressive have been trying to do for years ??? we have been trying to pass regulations on these multinational corporations to pay tariffs on their products coming to this country ... so we can compete ... how can we compete with a multinational corporations that pays 12 cents a day to their 12 year old worker ??? heres how ...put a tariffs on their products ... thats all you can do ...but your republican masters say NOooooooooooo we won't allow that ... and it keeps getting worse...

as for gun laws ... we liberals and progressive don't like large mag.. and we want back ground check on all gun sales whether its done at a gun show, gun store or you do it from your home, thats it ... what's so god damn bad about that ...

Actually, yes I do. My grandfather was a high level American Communist Party member back in the 1920's and '30's. I learned from the people themselves just how fucked up progressivism is.

I AM A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT. I am not, and will never be a progressive. That being said, just like the super rich want gun control, so do the progressives.....they too want to murder continents full of people and once again, they can't do it so long as the people are armed and able to defend themselves.

 

[billyerock1991]

Wow... you're just FULL of mindless, bigoted drivel.

Want to take a stab at showing how the data on the OP necessarily leads to the conclusion of the OP?

yes its real easy ... you won't understand ... but its real easy ... right now they are dumping cheep Chinese steel in this country ... for these steel companies to be able to compete here they have to close down their plants and move to a different country or go out of business or where they can compete with the chinese steel thats being dumped here causing these steel workers to lose their jobs ... this all happen under reagan bush one bush two ..the passed laws that allow the corporations to move out of country be paid by tax payer dollars to do so the sell back their product here at a cheeper rate ... causing their profit margins to go up ... now show us there this doesn't happen .... and I call you a liar ...cause thats how Mit wit Romney made his Millions of dollars .... what's mindless, bigoted drivel is your inability to understand what's been going on ...you are blinded by your mindless, repub-lie-tard bigoted drivel

Actually the steel imdndustry was already decimated under Carter and previously Ford. The major culprit was the unions, who demnded higher wages such that companes could not invest in modernizing equipment, nor could they fire workers they didnt need anymore.
But please reference what laws were passed that enabled companies to move off shore. I predict you will obfuscate, deflect, provide a wrong answer and then claim you already answered it.

no thats not true ... the part where high wages union workers caused it ... you go back and look at what caused it... again it was republicans deregulating tariffs on steel ... this again all started by steel from overseas companies being dumped on the united states ... causing the American steel companies to close down ... what happen was the congress passed tariffs on steel ... by doing so the steel industry came back ... not like it was ... but it came back with high union wages too ... so you are wrong on what cause its ... again this all started under Nixon, Ford, and Carter ... I believe it was carter that signed into law the tariffs on over seas steel... which started the slowing down of steel companies from shutting down...

 

[Redfish]

yes its real easy ... you won't understand ... but its real easy ... right now they are dumping cheep Chinese steel in this country ... for these steel companies to be able to compete here they have to close down their plants and move to a different country or go out of business or where they can compete with the chinese steel thats being dumped here causing these steel workers to lose their jobs ... this all happen under reagan bush one bush two ..the passed laws that allow the corporations to move out of country be paid by tax payer dollars to do so the sell back their product here at a cheeper rate ... causing their profit margins to go up ... now show us there this doesn't happen .... and I call you a liar ...cause thats how Mit wit Romney made his Millions of dollars .... what's mindless, bigoted drivel is your inability to understand what's been going on ...you are blinded by your mindless, repub-lie-tard bigoted drivel

Actually the steel imdndustry was already decimated under Carter and previously Ford. The major culprit was the unions, who demnded higher wages such that companes could not invest in modernizing equipment, nor could they fire workers they didnt need anymore.
But please reference what laws were passed that enabled companies to move off shore. I predict you will obfuscate, deflect, provide a wrong answer and then claim you already answered it.

no thats not true ... the part where high wages union workers caused it ... you go back and look at what caused it... again it was republicans deregulating tariffs on steel ... this again all started by steel from overseas companies being dumped on the united states ... causing the American steel companies to close down ... what happen was the congress passed tariffs on steel ... by doing so the steel industry came back ... not like it was ... but it came back with high union wages too ... so you are wrong on what cause its ... again this all started under Nixon, Ford, and Carter ... I believe it was carter that signed into law the tariffs on over seas steel... which started the slowing down of steel companies from shutting down...

your view of history is very interesting, very wrong but interesting. Steel making left the USA for two reasons----------unions and taxes. same reason that the textile industry and the commercial shipbuilding industry no longer exist in the USA

 

[MikeK]

The problem is obvious to anyone capable of reading charts. Unfortunately, most right wingers aren't that bright.

A chart that says that, is the reason why GOVERNMENT must step in, in violation of the Constitution?

In this example, "government stepping in" means increased taxation for the One Percent, which is not unConstitutional. It would serve as an expedient adjustment to the Nation's troubled economy. And increasing the tax rate of the rich won't hurt them. It will simply make them a little less rich.

It is important to understand that any such adjustment will have absolutely no negative effect on 99.9% of those who are protesting against it.

 

[westwall]

The problem is obvious to anyone capable of reading charts. Unfortunately, most right wingers aren't that bright.

A chart that says that, is the reason why GOVERNMENT must step in, in violation of the Constitution?

In this example, "government stepping in" means increased taxation for the One Percent, which is not unConstitutional. It would serve as an expedient adjustment to the Nation's troubled economy. And increasing the tax rate of the rich won't hurt them. It will simply make them a little less rich.

It is important to understand that any such adjustment will have absolutely no negative effect on 99.9% of those who are protesting against it.

The problem that you will have of course is if you make the tax rates too high they simply leave and take their money and buying power with them. You guys can kill the goose that lays the golden egg once....and then you are left to fight amongst yourselves. Which historically is what always happens. It would be nice if you idiots could learn from the mistakes the others who came and died before you made so you don't do it again....

Sadly, 'tis not to be....

 

[The Rabbi]

yes its real easy ... you won't understand ... but its real easy ... right now they are dumping cheep Chinese steel in this country ... for these steel companies to be able to compete here they have to close down their plants and move to a different country or go out of business or where they can compete with the chinese steel thats being dumped here causing these steel workers to lose their jobs ... this all happen under reagan bush one bush two ..the passed laws that allow the corporations to move out of country be paid by tax payer dollars to do so the sell back their product here at a cheeper rate ... causing their profit margins to go up ... now show us there this doesn't happen .... and I call you a liar ...cause thats how Mit wit Romney made his Millions of dollars .... what's mindless, bigoted drivel is your inability to understand what's been going on ...you are blinded by your mindless, repub-lie-tard bigoted drivel

Actually the steel imdndustry was already decimated under Carter and previously Ford. The major culprit was the unions, who demnded higher wages such that companes could not invest in modernizing equipment, nor could they fire workers they didnt need anymore.
But please reference what laws were passed that enabled companies to move off shore. I predict you will obfuscate, deflect, provide a wrong answer and then claim you already answered it.

no thats not true ... the part where high wages union workers caused it ... you go back and look at what caused it... again it was republicans deregulating tariffs on steel ... this again all started by steel from overseas companies being dumped on the united states ... causing the American steel companies to close down ... what happen was the congress passed tariffs on steel ... by doing so the steel industry came back ... not like it was ... but it came back with high union wages too ... so you are wrong on what cause its ... again this all started under Nixon, Ford, and Carter ... I believe it was carter that signed into law the tariffs on over seas steel... which started the slowing down of steel companies from shutting down...

Please cite where tarrifs were put on steel. The only ones I;m aware of were under Bush.