Why we have gun crime, the Minnesota edition...gun crime after gun crime and released over and over

[JoeB131]

What part of 90% do you not understand....actual research, not 3 stories from the internet....you doofus.....

Whatever, guy.

No guns, less crime. This isn't complicated. The rest of the world has figured this out.

 

[Disir]

At the prison I worked at I saw convicts released and return after a few months, sometimes after only a few weeks. I saw some that had been in and out of the same unit 4 times. The government are the ones causing this problem. My drug dealing son in law paroled after a long time in the pen for drugs, gets arrested 3 times for drugs within about a month, and this was at least 8 months ago. Guess what, he's still running around free, but he goes to church every Sunday.

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

We already lock up 2 million people and have another 7 million on probation or parole.

Since most people in prison aren't actually serving time but are instead awaiting trial all we need to do to free up prison space is revamp our arraignment and bail policies and use more electronic monitoring

Actually, people in prison are serving time. Jail is not prison. Can you serve time at your local county jail? Yes, up to a year. Over a year you go to prison.

 

[Anathema]

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

You’re absolutely correct. Here’s what we should do about it....

1. Execute all Felons. Give them a single appeal. If it fails have them executed with 48 hours.

2. Do the same with misdemeanor offenders of violent, or drug (including alcohol) related crimes.

3. That should open up space to keep the other misdemeanor offenders locked up for life without parole.

 

[Disir]

State prison populations have declined over the past 10 years.

I think we would get further discussing criminal justice if people knew how the fuck it worked.

 

[Blues Man]

At the prison I worked at I saw convicts released and return after a few months, sometimes after only a few weeks. I saw some that had been in and out of the same unit 4 times. The government are the ones causing this problem. My drug dealing son in law paroled after a long time in the pen for drugs, gets arrested 3 times for drugs within about a month, and this was at least 8 months ago. Guess what, he's still running around free, but he goes to church every Sunday.

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

We already lock up 2 million people and have another 7 million on probation or parole.

Since most people in prison aren't actually serving time but are instead awaiting trial all we need to do to free up prison space is revamp our arraignment and bail policies and use more electronic monitoring

Actually, people in prison are serving time. Jail is not prison. Can you serve time at your local county jail? Yes, up to a year. Over a year you go to prison.

And the point I was making was that most people in Jail or prison have not been convicted of any crime but are merely awaiting trial.

That is a symptom of the deficiencies in our arraignment and bail procedures

 

[Blues Man]

Most murders are committed by people who have some sort of criminal record.

some sort of criminal record usually means, "Had an encounter with the police" at some time in their life.

If we didn't lock people up for drug and property crimes we'd have more than enough space to keep violent pieces of shit locked up

NO, we really wouldn't. Frankly, I'd rather lock up the guy who stole my property than the guy who just got caught with a gun because he lives in a dangerous neighborhood.

As usual your thinking is ass backwards.

You have insurance on your property and restitution can be made by the offender.

Violent crimes leave scars property crimes don't. I know this you don't seem to

 

[2aguy]

What part of 90% do you not understand....actual research, not 3 stories from the internet....you doofus.....

Whatever, guy.

No guns, less crime. This isn't complicated. The rest of the world has figured this out.

Except they haven't......their criminals simply don't murder each other or civilians as often as our criminals do.....and they have access to all the guns they want...

Britain..

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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France...

ris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.


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France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.

Sweden.....

IN DEPTH: What's behind the rise in gang violence across Sweden?

The weapon of choice for gangs are Kalashnikov automatic rifles. Imported from the Balkans, they are available for between 2,500 and 3,500 euros (around $2,800 to $3,950), although they become "more expensive in the event of an open conflict," according to Appelgren.
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Honour, debts, and prestige are serving as the pretext for an increasing number of deadly shootings that challenge the ideals of equality and social harmony on which modern Sweden was built.
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Last year more than 300 shootings resulted in 45 deaths and 135 injuries in Sweden.

While the overall homicide rate remains one of the lowest in the world, with one per 100,000 inhabitants according to police statistics, deadly shootings have been steadily rising and last year reached record levels. 2019 is also on track to create another unwanted record. In Stockholm the first six months of the year have seen as many killings as the whole of 2018.

Japan....

The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.



In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.
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TOYAMA – Classes resumed at an elementary school in the city of Toyama on Tuesday amid tight security, a week after a man killed a security guard who worked at the school and a police officer, with a knife and a gun, as well as firing bullets at the school.

 

[miketx]

What part of 90% do you not understand....actual research, not 3 stories from the internet....you doofus.....

Whatever, guy.

No guns, less crime. This isn't complicated. The rest of the world has figured this out.

Except they haven't......their criminals simply don't murder each other or civilians as often as our criminals do.....and they have access to all the guns they want...

Britain..

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
==========

France...

ris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.


===============
France’s real gun problem

Despite these strict laws, France seems to be awash with guns. The guns used in high-profile terror attacks are really just the tip of the iceberg. In 2012, French authorities estimated that there were around 30,000 guns illegally in the country, many likely used by gangs for criminal activities. Of those guns, around 4,000 were likely to be "war weapons," Le Figaro reported, referring to items such as the Kalashnikov AK-variant rifles and Uzis. Statistics from the National Observatory for Delinquency, a government body created in 2003, suggest that the number of guns in France has grown by double digits every year.

Sweden.....

IN DEPTH: What's behind the rise in gang violence across Sweden?

The weapon of choice for gangs are Kalashnikov automatic rifles. Imported from the Balkans, they are available for between 2,500 and 3,500 euros (around $2,800 to $3,950), although they become "more expensive in the event of an open conflict," according to Appelgren.
-------

Honour, debts, and prestige are serving as the pretext for an increasing number of deadly shootings that challenge the ideals of equality and social harmony on which modern Sweden was built.
-----

Last year more than 300 shootings resulted in 45 deaths and 135 injuries in Sweden.

While the overall homicide rate remains one of the lowest in the world, with one per 100,000 inhabitants according to police statistics, deadly shootings have been steadily rising and last year reached record levels. 2019 is also on track to create another unwanted record. In Stockholm the first six months of the year have seen as many killings as the whole of 2018.

Japan....

The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.



In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

----
---
The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
-----
In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.
----

TOYAMA – Classes resumed at an elementary school in the city of Toyama on Tuesday amid tight security, a week after a man killed a security guard who worked at the school and a police officer, with a knife and a gun, as well as firing bullets at the school.

Winner! Cut and paste bullshit award!

 

[miketx]

State prison populations have declined over the past 10 years.

I think we would get further discussing criminal justice if people knew how the fuck it worked.

Right now it's not working when you take 20 years to execute a murderer and keep releasing violent scum.

 

[miketx]

The criminals are already exploiting the electronic monitoring here in Chicago....they now have ways to leave their homes without triggering the devices.......and the cities experimenting with "No Bail," release are already getting repeat offenders who are committing crime after crime and getting released each time......

again, can't get worked up about petty crime.

Ok then let's break in and steal your tv once a week then. And your wallet. What's 50 or 100 dollars, right crime lover?

 

[2aguy]

The criminals are already exploiting the electronic monitoring here in Chicago....they now have ways to leave their homes without triggering the devices.......and the cities experimenting with "No Bail," release are already getting repeat offenders who are committing crime after crime and getting released each time......

again, can't get worked up about petty crime.

Ok then let's break in and steal your tv once a week then. And your wallet. What's 50 or 100 dollars, right crime lover?

And this is what is now happening in California, and Chicago....when they made the amount of money stolen higher to equal a felony......their business owners are losing a fortune because criminals can't get felonies anymore for anything less than 900 dollars stolen...and they are in and out of court in hours...

 

[JoeB131]

As usual your thinking is ass backwards.

You have insurance on your property and restitution can be made by the offender.

Violent crimes leave scars property crimes don't. I know this you don't seem to

More like I don't care that much...

A burgler is more likely to reoffend than a murderer....

 

[Harry Dresden]

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

You’re absolutely correct. Here’s what we should do about it....

1. Execute all Felons. Give them a single appeal. If it fails have them executed with 48 hours.

2. Do the same with misdemeanor offenders of violent, or drug (including alcohol) related crimes.

3. That should open up space to keep the other misdemeanor offenders locked up for life without parole.

misdemeanor people locked up for life?...geezus....

 

[Jarlaxle]

As usual your thinking is ass backwards.

You have insurance on your property and restitution can be made by the offender.

Violent crimes leave scars property crimes don't. I know this you don't seem to

More like I don't care that much...

A burgler(sic) is more likely to reoffend than a murderer....

A burglar is much less likely to re-offend after a load of buckshot to the chest.

 

[Jarlaxle]

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

You’re absolutely correct. Here’s what we should do about it....

1. Execute all Felons. Give them a single appeal. If it fails have them executed with 48 hours.

2. Do the same with misdemeanor offenders of violent, or drug (including alcohol) related crimes.

3. That should open up space to keep the other misdemeanor offenders locked up for life without parole.

misdemeanor people locked up for life?...geezus....

Don't mind him, he's batshit insane, and HE should probably be locked up for life.

 

[miketx]

As usual your thinking is ass backwards.

You have insurance on your property and restitution can be made by the offender.

Violent crimes leave scars property crimes don't. I know this you don't seem to

More like I don't care that much...

A burgler is more likely to reoffend than a murderer....

Not if you shoot him in the head.

 

[Harry Dresden]

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

You’re absolutely correct. Here’s what we should do about it....

1. Execute all Felons. Give them a single appeal. If it fails have them executed with 48 hours.

2. Do the same with misdemeanor offenders of violent, or drug (including alcohol) related crimes.

3. That should open up space to keep the other misdemeanor offenders locked up for life without parole.

misdemeanor people locked up for life?...geezus....

Don't mind him, he's batshit insane, and HE should probably be locked up for life.

whats scary is there are people with this guys mindset out there....

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

At the prison I worked at I saw convicts released and return after a few months, sometimes after only a few weeks. I saw some that had been in and out of the same unit 4 times. The government are the ones causing this problem. My drug dealing son in law paroled after a long time in the pen for drugs, gets arrested 3 times for drugs within about a month, and this was at least 8 months ago. Guess what, he's still running around free, but he goes to church every Sunday.

We don't have the prison space to lock up people for petty offenses.

We already lock up 2 million people and have another 7 million on probation or parole.

Drug dealing is a petty offense ?

 

[JoeB131]

A burglar is much less likely to re-offend after a load of buckshot to the chest.

Another right winger with his murder fantasies...

Why am I not surprised?

Drug dealing is a petty offense ?

It is to me. Of course, we lock up people for using drugs or even not ratting out their boyfriends.

 

[Anathema]

misdemeanor people locked up for life?...geezus....

Tes. Individuals who cannot live within the accepted confines of Society have no pace in Society.