Why we have gun crime...7 time felon with 4th gun case freed on ankle monitor tries to shoot and kill his girlfriend. Thanks democrats.

[JGalt]

Maybe we should hold the gun industry accountable for making them so easy to get. Come on, guy you can't whine about "gun laws" when the NRA runs to Congress getting more protection for the gun industry.

You're an idiot as far as firearms are concerned. There is no one single "gun industry" that made all the firearms in this country. A large part of them are imported from other countries, another large part of them were made by companies which are no longer in business. Then there are millions and millions of pistols and rifles which were made by dozens of countries throughout World Wars One, Two, the Cold War, and other conflicts. In fact, there were 6,831,376 firearms imported into the US in 2020 alone, and 5,539,539 imported into the US in 2013 when Obama was President.

And none of those firearms had anything to do with the NRA.

U.S. - number of imported firearms 2020 | Statista

 

[JoeB131]

That's because China executes its criminals, the people locked up are political dissidents and if you trust the numbers China admits to you are an idiot. Take a look back at the numbers of Covid infections China was admitting to.

China doesn't make any secret about executions.. they're proud of it.

My Chinese girlfriend was showing me Chinese YouTube about reactions for people who had just been condemned to death.

They certainly aren't executing millions of people or even hundreds of thousands..

 

[JoeB131]

You're an idiot as far as firearms are concerned. There is no one single "gun industry" that made all the firearms in this country. A large part of them are imported from other countries, another large part of them were made by companies which are no longer in business. Then there are millions and millions of pistols and rifles which were made by dozens of countries throughout World Wars One, Two, the Cold War, and other conflicts. In fact, there were 6,831,376 firearms imported into the US in 2020 alone, and 5,539,539 imported into the US in 2013 when Obama was President.

And none of those firearms had anything to do with the NRA.

You totally missed my point, didn't you.

Go back. Read what I said. Get someone to help you with the big words.

 

[martybegan]

Sure. Second Amendment is about Militias.

No rights involved.

The first part is, the 2nd is about the people's right to arms, not the militias right.

The comma means something.

 

[Blues Man]

Correct, dopamine can be released for various reasons, with a gun nut though, it's because guns and the thought of guns in a guns nuts' brain releases dopamine which heightens their sexual pleasure.

Wrong.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Wrong.

 

[JoeB131]

The first part is, the 2nd is about the people's right to arms, not the militias right.

The comma means something.

Yes, it means they didn't know how to property construct a sentence.
Guns were rare in colonial times. They also weren't terribly effective unless used in volleys. That's why "well-Regulated" militias were important.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, it means they didn't know how to property construct a sentence.
Guns were rare in colonial times. They also weren't terribly effective unless used in volleys. That's why "well-Regulated" militias were important.

It means the people keep the right to defend themselves, unlike in Europe where only the nobility had that right.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[LibertyKid]

Sure. Second Amendment is about Militias.

No rights involved.

Wrong. The 2A is about securing the liberty and freedoms of the Federal Constitution and backed by individual state constitution. History and context, as we look at the building blocks of our nation and the framing of the constitution and that of the 2A point to the fact that the public were to be armed. From the public, militias could be formed. It's not the other way around.

In fact, founding fathers and state constitutions had a strong mistrust in "standing armies". They felt standing armies were a potential threat.

From a previous thread I started:

• The mistrust of "Standing Armies" - States wanted to arm the people, who would form militias to protect themselves if needed instead of a Gov't Sponsored (standing) army.
• This mistrust came from the British controlled miltary
• Standing armies were perceived to be dangerous to Liberty
• Pennsylvania Declaration of Independence states:
  
  • That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
• Massachusetts:s DOR: T
  • The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.7
• Original 2A Wording:
  • The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
  • Wording was changed to recognize that militias came from the people,

Founding Fathers distrust of a centralized government backed miltary:
Teachinghistory.org

In Summary: The people were meant to be armed. Militias were not "standing armies", but would only be needed when the time came. Therefore, the people had a right to bear arms, at all times.

 

[LibertyKid]

Yes, it means they didn't know how to property construct a sentence.
Guns were rare in colonial times. They also weren't terribly effective unless used in volleys. That's why "well-Regulated" militias were important.

Hogwash, guns were rare. Based on what evidence?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, it means they didn't know how to property construct a sentence.
Guns were rare in colonial times. They also weren't terribly effective unless used in volleys. That's why "well-Regulated" militias were important.

Guns weren't rare in colonial times. Most colonists were subsistence farmers and having at least one gun was a necessity, to put meat on the table. Most farms would have at least one long gun (rifle or musket and a shotgun for birds and small game)

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hogwash, guns were rare. Based on what evidence?

His imagination. Most of the colonies were howling wildernesses of dense hardwood forests. Even the New York City area was mostly forest then. Colonial cities were small, NYC had a population of just 25,000, Philadelphia, the largest city in the colonies only had 38,000. Philadelphia was the third largest city in the entire British Empire. The total free population of the colonies was barely two million in 1776.

 

[80zephyr]

They would still need to set up subsideries to sell here.

Or they would act responsibly like any other manufacturer does.

The problem here is the conduct of the gun manufacturers and sellers... that they look at THIS guy as a prime customer...

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"I'll take an AR-15 and a 100 Round magazine! What could possibly go wrong?"

And if there was nothing on his record precluding him from owning a gun, he would sue the manufacturer for damages.

 

[JoeB131]

It means the people keep the right to defend themselves, unlike in Europe where only the nobility had that right.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

A gun in Colonial times cost more than the monthly salary of a skilled artisan. They never intended for them to be as ubiquitous as they are now.

Wrong. The 2A is about securing the liberty and freedoms of the Federal Constitution and backed by individual state constitution. History and context, as we look at the building blocks of our nation and the framing of the constitution and that of the 2A point to the fact that the public were to be armed. From the public, militias could be formed. It's not the other way around.

That's not true at all. In fact, the early government put down a number of armed rebellions because they really didn' t like armed mobs (i.e. Shays Rebellion, the Whisky Rebellion.)

 

[JoeB131]

Guns weren't rare in colonial times. Most colonists were subsistence farmers and having at least one gun was a necessity, to put meat on the table. Most farms would have at least one long gun (rifle or musket and a shotgun for birds and small game)

This is bullshit as well.

People in that time period didn't really eat that much meat. Meat was for rich people. Poor people ate vegetables. There's a reason why the Christmas Goose was such a big deal, it was probably the only time a year they ate one.

 

[martybegan]

A gun in Colonial times cost more than the monthly salary of a skilled artisan. They never intended for them to be as ubiquitous as they are now.


That's not true at all. In fact, the early government put down a number of armed rebellions because they really didn' t like armed mobs (i.e. Shays Rebellion, the Whisky Rebellion.)

That's pure guesswork.

 

[JoeB131]

That's pure guesswork.

By guesswork, you mean reviewing historical records, um, yeah.

Shays' Rebellion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fries's Rebellion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whiskey Rebellion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Blues Man]

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Dopamine is not only released during sex or activities that give sexual pleasure.

Not all feelings of pleasure are sexual. Idiot.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Dopamine is not only released during sex or activities that give sexual pleasure.

Not all feelings of pleasure are sexual. Idiot.

The gun gives gun nuts sexual pleasure

 

[Blues Man]

The gun gives gun nuts sexual pleasure

No it doesn't.