British muslim terrorist got his gun from a convicted felon...who can't buy, own or carry or sell guns so none of the gun laws would have stopped it

[2aguy]

The British muslim who came here and committed an act of terrorism, because the British police and government can't control their terrorists......and our FBI is busy investigating parents at school board meetings and fake "White racism," and fake "insurrections..."......got his gun from a convicted felon...

So none of the gun laws that anti-gun extremists want would have stopped this sale...

According to the complaint, Mr. Williams – a felon previously convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and attempted possession of a controlled substance – allegedly sold Mr. Akram a semiautomatic Taurus G2C pistol on Jan. 13. Two days later, on Jan. 15, agents recovered the pistol from Colleyville’s Congregation Beth Israel synagogue, where Mr. Akram had held four individuals hostage for several hours before he was fatally shot by federal law enforcement.

Man Who Sold a Gun to the Brit Who Held Four Hostage in a Texas Synagogue Has Been Charged With Federal Crimes - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Earlier this month a man who’d flown from the UK to Texas took four hostages in a Colleyville synagogue and demanded that a convicted terrorist (dubbed “Lady al-Qaeda“) be released from prison. When the last of his hostages had escaped, Malik Faisal Akram was...

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[odanny]

MOAR GUNZ!!

 

[BULLDOG]

In New York, more than 100 people die each day from drug overdoses. Using the OPs crazy logic, none of the drug laws could have prevented these deaths anyway, so they are useless.

 

[martybegan]

In New York, more than 100 people die each day from drug overdoses. Using the OPs crazy logic, none of the drug laws could have prevented these deaths anyway, so they are useless.

Actually it would be more akin to making it as difficult as possible or even impossible for some guy to get and use legally prescribed Percocet responsibly and then thinking that this will somehow prevent someone from overdosing on heroin.

 

[BULLDOG]

Actually it would be more akin to making it as difficult as possible or even impossible for some guy to get and use legally prescribed Percocet responsibly and then thinking that this will somehow prevent someone from overdosing on heroin.

What we have now is equivalent to letting anyone who happens to have some to sell Percocet, or what ever drug he might have to total strangers without any obligation to check if the purchaser has a prescription, and no obligation to even tell anybody that he sold any.

 

[martybegan]

What we have now is equivalent to letting anyone who happens to have some to sell Percocet, or what ever drug he might have to total strangers without any obligation to check if the purchaser has a prescription, and no obligation to even tell anybody that he sold any.

No, we don't. The gun show loophole is a myth perpetuated by the left, and how many guns used in crimes were gotten by the supposed method?

Selling a firearm legally is pretty much like dispensing legal controlled substances, with a federally licenses firearm dealer replacing the doctor.

 

[BULLDOG]

No, we don't. The gun show loophole is a myth perpetuated by the left, and how many guns used in crimes were gotten by the supposed method?

Selling a firearm legally is pretty much like dispensing legal controlled substances, with a federally licenses firearm dealer replacing the doctor.

No it's not. Some states put restrictions on individual gun sales but most do not. There are no federal restrictions. The seller isn't required to know or even care what the purchaser's name is, much less whether the purchaser could pass a background check.

 

[martybegan]

No it's not. Some states put restrictions on individual gun sales but most do not. There are no federal restrictions. The seller isn't required to know or even care what the purchaser's name is, much less whether the purchaser could pass a background check.

But if the seller sells to someone unable to legally buy a gun, they can be held liable criminally and civilly.

How many of these actual transactions happen?

Most of the time it's one person unable legally to own a gun selling it to another person legally unable to own a gun.

How does making it harder for me to own a gun prevent this?

 

[BULLDOG]

But if the seller sells to someone unable to legally buy a gun, they can be held liable criminally and civilly.

How many of these actual transactions happen?

Most of the time it's one person unable legally to own a gun selling it to another person legally unable to own a gun.

How does making it harder for me to own a gun prevent this?

With no reporting or paperwork required, nobody can tell how many guns are sold. It's only a straw buyer if you can prove in court that the seller knew the purchaser can't legally own a gun.
The seller isn't obligated to know or to make any effort to find out if the buyer can legally own a gun. The seller isn't even required to ask the question. It is perfectly legal to sell a gun to someone he has never seen, and probably will never see again, and it is not even required to tell anyone a gun sale has taken place.

 

[martybegan]

With no reporting or paperwork required, nobody can tell how many guns are sold. It's only a straw buyer if you can prove in court that the seller knew the purchaser can't legally own a gun.
The seller isn't obligated to know or to make any effort to find out if the buyer can legally own a gun. The seller isn't even required to ask the question. It is perfectly legal to sell a gun to someone he has never seen, and probably will never see again, and it is not even required to tell anyone a gun sale has taken place.

Until you sell it to someone who is banned by law from owning one, even if you don't know that's the case. In these situations intent doesn't matter, only the result.

 

[BULLDOG]

Until you sell it to someone who is banned by law from owning one, even if you don't know that's the case. In these situations intent doesn't matter, only the result.

Of course it matters because another bad guy got a gun, but the seller doesn't have a problem unless it can be proven in court that he knew the purchaser could not legally own a gun. Remember, the seller has no obligation to find out if the buyer can legally own a gun, or what he intends to use it for. The seller isn't even legally require to find out what the buyer's name is, or anything else about him.

 

[martybegan]

Of course it matters because another bad guy got a gun, but the seller doesn't have a problem unless it can be proven in court that he knew the purchaser could not legally own a gun. Remember, the seller has no obligation to find out if the buyer can legally own a gun, or what he intends to use it for. The seller isn't even legally require to find out what the buyer's name is, or anything else about him.

Considering how many sellers who operate like this are also felons and shouldn't have a gun to sell, what does it really matter?

Again, if you are so concerned with legal owners selling blindly to people who will then use the gun for a crime, please provide some data showing this is a major area of illegal gun acquisition and usage.

The reality is you won't be able to, because most gun sale transactions are criminal on criminal.

 

[BULLDOG]

Considering how many sellers who operate like this are also felons and shouldn't have a gun to sell, what does it really matter?

Again, if you are so concerned with legal owners selling blindly to people who will then use the gun for a crime, please provide some data showing this is a major area of illegal gun acquisition and usage.

The reality is you won't be able to, because most gun sale transactions are criminal on criminal.

Perhaps you can show some credible data showing that criminals don't take advantage of a source to purchase guns with no background check whatsoever.

 

[martybegan]

Perhaps you can show some credible data showing that criminals don't take advantage of a source to purchase guns with no background check whatsoever.

You are the one making the claim that somehow this loophole is a giant menace. I simply retorted that more than likely criminals sell guns to criminals.

 

[BULLDOG]

You are the one making the claim that somehow this loophole is a giant menace. I simply retorted that more than likely criminals sell guns to criminals.

I get it. You can't bring yourself to admit that is a vast source for crooks to get guns. You don't have to acknowledge it to me, but secretly, on your own, check how many states allow individual sales with no background check, and consider if you think a crook might take advantage of that. Here's a link to Texas individual gun sales laws

Frequently Asked Legal Questions

Answers to common legal questions we receive at the law library.

faq.sll.texas.gov

 

[martybegan]

I get it. You can't bring yourself to admit that is a vast source for crooks to get guns. You don't have to acknowledge it to me, but secretly, on your own, check how many states allow individual sales with no background check, and consider if you think a crook might take advantage of that. Here's a link to Texas individual gun sales laws

Frequently Asked Legal Questions

Answers to common legal questions we receive at the law library.

faq.sll.texas.gov

No, what you are saying is that there is a vast source of law abiding gun owners selling their guns to felons and such, but don't bring any evidence to prove it.

Considering a "crooke" i.e. usually a felon can't own a gun in the first place, any law that allows him to sell it without a background check is moot because of his crime of having the gun, AND giving it to probably another felon.

 

[2aguy]

In New York, more than 100 people die each day from drug overdoses. Using the OPs crazy logic, none of the drug laws could have prevented these deaths anyway, so they are useless.

Nope....what you want, according to your logic is to ban all drugs.....if we follow what you want for guns....that is where your logic leads..

We have all the laws we need on the books.....what happens? The democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing the most violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again....they are the individuals doing almost all of the shooting and killing, primarily in democrat party controlled cities...

The laws you want to add.....do nothing to stop them........you keep pushing Universal background checks...would not have stopped this felon since he already could not buy, own or carry the illegal gun he had, and then sold, without a background check, to another illegal individual...

The very thing you want, would not have stopped this transaction...but, it would put normal gun owners in legal peril if they lend a rifle to a friend without taking them to a gun store to get a background check.....turning law abiding gun owners into felons...for the simple act of lending a gun to someone they know....

At the same time....the only reason you actually want universal background checks, since you already know they don't work....is so that later you can demand gun registration.....which you need when you get the power to ban and confiscate guns...

 

[2aguy]

With no reporting or paperwork required, nobody can tell how many guns are sold. It's only a straw buyer if you can prove in court that the seller knew the purchaser can't legally own a gun.
The seller isn't obligated to know or to make any effort to find out if the buyer can legally own a gun. The seller isn't even required to ask the question. It is perfectly legal to sell a gun to someone he has never seen, and probably will never see again, and it is not even required to tell anyone a gun sale has taken place.

And that is the exact argument you will use when you come back to demand gun registration.....

In all the countries that banned and confiscated guns, the first thing they did was register the guns....on the promise it would keep the citizens safer.....Europe registered guns in the 1920s, and by 1939 began the process of murdering 15 million innocent men, women and children...

 

[2aguy]

I get it. You can't bring yourself to admit that is a vast source for crooks to get guns. You don't have to acknowledge it to me, but secretly, on your own, check how many states allow individual sales with no background check, and consider if you think a crook might take advantage of that. Here's a link to Texas individual gun sales laws

Frequently Asked Legal Questions

Answers to common legal questions we receive at the law library.

faq.sll.texas.gov

Sorry, private sales by normal gun owners are not where criminals get their guns.......as we see here, a convicted felon, who can't buy, own or carry a gun, had a gun that was either stolen or purchased from another criminal, which he then sold to another criminal....all without any background check....

 

[2aguy]

Perhaps you can show some credible data showing that criminals don't take advantage of a source to purchase guns with no background check whatsoever.

They don't, they have asked them......they get them from straw buyers.....people who are knowingly selling guns to criminals....and not doing any background check....then the next source is stealing them.....

They are not getting their guns from normal gun buyers selling their guns.....