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Why was Chauvin still on the police force?

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Chauvin was the subject of at least 17 complaints during his career, according to police records, but only one led to discipline. Prosecutors sought permission to introduce eight prior use-of-force incidents, but the judge would only allow two. In the end the jury heard none.
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As Monroe Skinaway, 75, took in news of Chauvin's conviction, he flashed back to the night he witnessed Chauvin pin another man to the pavement with the same detached look as when he knelt on Floyd's neck.

It was March 2019, 15 months before Floyd's death would spark global protests against racism and police brutality.

But Skinaway still remembers what he deemed the indifference on Chauvin's face that night as he pressed Sir Rilee Peet's head into a puddle deep enough that he, like Floyd, struggled to breathe.

A jury on Tuesday found Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of the Minneapolis police force, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter, an outcome welcomed by activists as progress in holding law enforcement accountable for its treatment of Black Americans. Chauvin is white and Floyd was Black.

"We people of color very seldom get a good verdict," said Skinaway, who is Native American. "I'm kind of amazed."

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Skinaway says he did not know Chauvin at the time he and another officer arrested Sir Rilee Peet, a young Native American man with a history of mental illness. But Skinaway later recognized him as the officer charged in Floyd's death.

Skinaway says he was speaking with the officers about the recovery of a stolen car when Peet approached and did not comply with requests to back away. A police report about the incident states that a struggle ensued and Chauvin maced Peet, applied a neck restraint and pinned him to the ground so he could be handcuffed.

The incident was one of the six prior use-of-force incidents that Judge Peter Cahill blocked prosecutors from presenting at trial, ruling they would be prejudicial.

In court filings, prosecutors said Chauvin restrained Peet in a manner that was beyond what was necessary or reasonable - an assertion also made by Skinaway in interviews with Reuters.

Skinaway says Chauvin grabbed Peet by the back of his hair and pressed his face into a rain puddle. That began a cycle where Peet would gasp for air and say "I can't breathe, man" before Chauvin would force his head down again.

Skinaway said he saw similarities between Chauvin's treatment of Peet and Floyd.

"He basically did the same thing to that Native kid," Skinaway said. "I think the incident would have gone longer possibly if the ambulance didn't show up."



I have to wonder, how the hell was this guy still on the street with a badge and a gun? 8 prior use of force incidents among at least 17 complaints? WTF does it take to get a bad cop fired? I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug. I'll be glad to read anyone else's ideas, but IMHO at least part of the reason why Chauvin was there in th 1st place was due to his police union and their donations to democrat political campaigns.

We know public unions including police unions make huge donations to political campaigns, almost all of which are democrats. And we know that in many of not most democrat-controlled cities and states, those unions have legislation that almost totally protects cops from prosecution. The judge in Chauvin's case would only allow 2 of the 8 prior use of force incidents, why is that? Would anyone else get that benefit? Consider:


In Minneapolis, one of the biggest hurdles to firing cops is a guarantee enshrined in state law and the city’s union contract: that officers can appeal their firing to independent arbitrators, who can reinstate them to their jobs with back pay. Cops in many states do the same. In Oakland, California, arbitrators in 2011 overturned the firing of Hector Jimenez, an officer who shot two unarmed men in the same year; he shot one of them in the back three times. Last year, an arbitrator reinstated a University of Minnesota cop who was accused of choking a woman who’d kicked his car while he was off duty; he denied the allegation, though her collarbone was bruised, and he admitted to getting into her personal space during an argument.

In fact, it’s exceedingly common for firings to be overturned. In a national study of 92 cases between 2011 and 2015, a University of Minnesota researcher found that arbitrators sided with the fired officer nearly half the time. From 2006 to 2017, about 70 percent of fired officers in San Antonio were reinstated after arbitration, according to an analysis by the Washington Post. Sixty-two percent got their jobs back in Philadelphia, and 45 percent in Washington, DC. In St. Paul, Minnesota, another analysis showed that nearly half did. “It’s an emotional issue among police chiefs. To do the hard work of firing an officer and then have the arbitrator hand them back to you, it’s infuriating,” says Walker. Arradondo, the police chief, echoed this sentiment: “There is nothing more debilitating to a chief, from an employment matter perspective,” than when a fired officer is reinstated, he told reporters Wednesday.

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So why are so many arbitrators siding with cops? One major reason, including in Minneapolis, is that they’re often bound by precedent. If an officer shoots an unarmed man, an arbitrator might overturn his firing if another officer engaged in similar misconduct in the past but wasn’t fired. That’s problematic when you consider that police departments around the country have a long history of not punishing officers who use excessive force. In the case of George Floyd, it’s possible an arbitrator would look back to 2010, when another Minneapolis police officer restrained a man named David Cornelius Smith for four minutes by holding a knee to his back, even after he stopped breathing. Smith died of asphyxia, and the officer was never disciplined.
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But even if that problem were fixed, there are other issues. When an officer is accused of misconduct, the union’s contract requires the police department to provide the officer with documentation at least two days before asking the officer to make a formal statement, giving him or her ample time to come up with a story or justification for what happened. The contract also prohibits the department from recording misconduct in an officer’s personnel file if the officer was not disciplined. (And in Minneapolis, less than 1 percent of misconduct complaints filed by the public have led to discipline since 2012.) What’s more, the contract doesn’t cap the number of hours that officers can work as off-duty security guards for private companies that pay them directly, something activists fear could lead to exhaustion that impairs their judgment. In 2017, for example, after an officer named Mohamed Noor shot and killed a woman approaching his patrol car to report a rape, investigators learned he had gone on patrol that night after working seven hours off-duty at a Wells Fargo branch.
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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?
 

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I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug.
Sounds about right.

Police unions went for Trump last election, btw. Since they want things to continue being swept under the rug.
But not nearly to the extent you Dims want black crime swept under the rug right looneytunes??
 

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I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug.
Sounds about right.

Police unions went for Trump last election, btw. Since they want things to continue being swept under the rug.
But not nearly to the extent you Dims want black crime swept under the rug right looneytunes??
Well you sound like a real big fucking idiot, bud
Well you don't just sound like one yourself....bud.
 

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Chauvin was the subject of at least 17 complaints during his career, according to police records, but only one led to discipline. Prosecutors sought permission to introduce eight prior use-of-force incidents, but the judge would only allow two. In the end the jury heard none.
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As Monroe Skinaway, 75, took in news of Chauvin's conviction, he flashed back to the night he witnessed Chauvin pin another man to the pavement with the same detached look as when he knelt on Floyd's neck.

It was March 2019, 15 months before Floyd's death would spark global protests against racism and police brutality.

But Skinaway still remembers what he deemed the indifference on Chauvin's face that night as he pressed Sir Rilee Peet's head into a puddle deep enough that he, like Floyd, struggled to breathe.

A jury on Tuesday found Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of the Minneapolis police force, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter, an outcome welcomed by activists as progress in holding law enforcement accountable for its treatment of Black Americans. Chauvin is white and Floyd was Black.

"We people of color very seldom get a good verdict," said Skinaway, who is Native American. "I'm kind of amazed."

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Skinaway says he did not know Chauvin at the time he and another officer arrested Sir Rilee Peet, a young Native American man with a history of mental illness. But Skinaway later recognized him as the officer charged in Floyd's death.

Skinaway says he was speaking with the officers about the recovery of a stolen car when Peet approached and did not comply with requests to back away. A police report about the incident states that a struggle ensued and Chauvin maced Peet, applied a neck restraint and pinned him to the ground so he could be handcuffed.

The incident was one of the six prior use-of-force incidents that Judge Peter Cahill blocked prosecutors from presenting at trial, ruling they would be prejudicial.

In court filings, prosecutors said Chauvin restrained Peet in a manner that was beyond what was necessary or reasonable - an assertion also made by Skinaway in interviews with Reuters.

Skinaway says Chauvin grabbed Peet by the back of his hair and pressed his face into a rain puddle. That began a cycle where Peet would gasp for air and say "I can't breathe, man" before Chauvin would force his head down again.

Skinaway said he saw similarities between Chauvin's treatment of Peet and Floyd.

"He basically did the same thing to that Native kid," Skinaway said. "I think the incident would have gone longer possibly if the ambulance didn't show up."



I have to wonder, how the hell was this guy still on the street with a badge and a gun? 8 prior use of force incidents among at least 17 complaints? WTF does it take to get a bad cop fired? I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug. I'll be glad to read anyone else's ideas, but IMHO at least part of the reason why Chauvin was there in th 1st place was due to his police union and their donations to democrat political campaigns.

We know public unions including police unions make huge donations to political campaigns, almost all of which are democrats. And we know that in many of not most democrat-controlled cities and states, those unions have legislation that almost totally protects cops from prosecution. The judge in Chauvin's case would only allow 2 of the 8 prior use of force incidents, why is that? Would anyone else get that benefit? Consider:


In Minneapolis, one of the biggest hurdles to firing cops is a guarantee enshrined in state law and the city’s union contract: that officers can appeal their firing to independent arbitrators, who can reinstate them to their jobs with back pay. Cops in many states do the same. In Oakland, California, arbitrators in 2011 overturned the firing of Hector Jimenez, an officer who shot two unarmed men in the same year; he shot one of them in the back three times. Last year, an arbitrator reinstated a University of Minnesota cop who was accused of choking a woman who’d kicked his car while he was off duty; he denied the allegation, though her collarbone was bruised, and he admitted to getting into her personal space during an argument.

In fact, it’s exceedingly common for firings to be overturned. In a national study of 92 cases between 2011 and 2015, a University of Minnesota researcher found that arbitrators sided with the fired officer nearly half the time. From 2006 to 2017, about 70 percent of fired officers in San Antonio were reinstated after arbitration, according to an analysis by the Washington Post. Sixty-two percent got their jobs back in Philadelphia, and 45 percent in Washington, DC. In St. Paul, Minnesota, another analysis showed that nearly half did. “It’s an emotional issue among police chiefs. To do the hard work of firing an officer and then have the arbitrator hand them back to you, it’s infuriating,” says Walker. Arradondo, the police chief, echoed this sentiment: “There is nothing more debilitating to a chief, from an employment matter perspective,” than when a fired officer is reinstated, he told reporters Wednesday.

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So why are so many arbitrators siding with cops? One major reason, including in Minneapolis, is that they’re often bound by precedent. If an officer shoots an unarmed man, an arbitrator might overturn his firing if another officer engaged in similar misconduct in the past but wasn’t fired. That’s problematic when you consider that police departments around the country have a long history of not punishing officers who use excessive force. In the case of George Floyd, it’s possible an arbitrator would look back to 2010, when another Minneapolis police officer restrained a man named David Cornelius Smith for four minutes by holding a knee to his back, even after he stopped breathing. Smith died of asphyxia, and the officer was never disciplined.
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But even if that problem were fixed, there are other issues. When an officer is accused of misconduct, the union’s contract requires the police department to provide the officer with documentation at least two days before asking the officer to make a formal statement, giving him or her ample time to come up with a story or justification for what happened. The contract also prohibits the department from recording misconduct in an officer’s personnel file if the officer was not disciplined. (And in Minneapolis, less than 1 percent of misconduct complaints filed by the public have led to discipline since 2012.) What’s more, the contract doesn’t cap the number of hours that officers can work as off-duty security guards for private companies that pay them directly, something activists fear could lead to exhaustion that impairs their judgment. In 2017, for example, after an officer named Mohamed Noor shot and killed a woman approaching his patrol car to report a rape, investigators learned he had gone on patrol that night after working seven hours off-duty at a Wells Fargo branch.
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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?

It is pretty damn clear he was a bad cop. But to make the leap to say he was a racist cop is a leap too far. No one knows what was in Chauvin's mind. No one. To make the racism allegation based on feelings not facts hurts everyone.
 

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I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug.
Sounds about right.

Police unions went for Trump last election, btw. Since they want things to continue being swept under the rug.
But not nearly to the extent you Dims want black crime swept under the rug right looneytunes??
Well you sound like a real big fucking idiot, bud
Any person who has lived in or closer to those areas knows the truth. The people living inside those areas knows the truth. There are people who do not even want to do business as a service in those areas. For many it is an act of compassion and empathy. And they still take their chances. What is swept under the rug in those areas we still get to see the nastiness on the local news. Even if they do not announce the cultural background. It is seen everyday. And the good men and women that live there suffer and are caught in it also. And make it worse by not reporting the bad or fear the bad.
 

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Chauvin was the subject of at least 17 complaints during his career, according to police records, but only one led to discipline. Prosecutors sought permission to introduce eight prior use-of-force incidents, but the judge would only allow two. In the end the jury heard none.
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As Monroe Skinaway, 75, took in news of Chauvin's conviction, he flashed back to the night he witnessed Chauvin pin another man to the pavement with the same detached look as when he knelt on Floyd's neck.

It was March 2019, 15 months before Floyd's death would spark global protests against racism and police brutality.

But Skinaway still remembers what he deemed the indifference on Chauvin's face that night as he pressed Sir Rilee Peet's head into a puddle deep enough that he, like Floyd, struggled to breathe.

A jury on Tuesday found Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of the Minneapolis police force, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter, an outcome welcomed by activists as progress in holding law enforcement accountable for its treatment of Black Americans. Chauvin is white and Floyd was Black.

"We people of color very seldom get a good verdict," said Skinaway, who is Native American. "I'm kind of amazed."

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Skinaway says he did not know Chauvin at the time he and another officer arrested Sir Rilee Peet, a young Native American man with a history of mental illness. But Skinaway later recognized him as the officer charged in Floyd's death.

Skinaway says he was speaking with the officers about the recovery of a stolen car when Peet approached and did not comply with requests to back away. A police report about the incident states that a struggle ensued and Chauvin maced Peet, applied a neck restraint and pinned him to the ground so he could be handcuffed.

The incident was one of the six prior use-of-force incidents that Judge Peter Cahill blocked prosecutors from presenting at trial, ruling they would be prejudicial.

In court filings, prosecutors said Chauvin restrained Peet in a manner that was beyond what was necessary or reasonable - an assertion also made by Skinaway in interviews with Reuters.

Skinaway says Chauvin grabbed Peet by the back of his hair and pressed his face into a rain puddle. That began a cycle where Peet would gasp for air and say "I can't breathe, man" before Chauvin would force his head down again.

Skinaway said he saw similarities between Chauvin's treatment of Peet and Floyd.

"He basically did the same thing to that Native kid," Skinaway said. "I think the incident would have gone longer possibly if the ambulance didn't show up."



I have to wonder, how the hell was this guy still on the street with a badge and a gun? 8 prior use of force incidents among at least 17 complaints? WTF does it take to get a bad cop fired? I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug. I'll be glad to read anyone else's ideas, but IMHO at least part of the reason why Chauvin was there in th 1st place was due to his police union and their donations to democrat political campaigns.

We know public unions including police unions make huge donations to political campaigns, almost all of which are democrats. And we know that in many of not most democrat-controlled cities and states, those unions have legislation that almost totally protects cops from prosecution. The judge in Chauvin's case would only allow 2 of the 8 prior use of force incidents, why is that? Would anyone else get that benefit? Consider:


In Minneapolis, one of the biggest hurdles to firing cops is a guarantee enshrined in state law and the city’s union contract: that officers can appeal their firing to independent arbitrators, who can reinstate them to their jobs with back pay. Cops in many states do the same. In Oakland, California, arbitrators in 2011 overturned the firing of Hector Jimenez, an officer who shot two unarmed men in the same year; he shot one of them in the back three times. Last year, an arbitrator reinstated a University of Minnesota cop who was accused of choking a woman who’d kicked his car while he was off duty; he denied the allegation, though her collarbone was bruised, and he admitted to getting into her personal space during an argument.

In fact, it’s exceedingly common for firings to be overturned. In a national study of 92 cases between 2011 and 2015, a University of Minnesota researcher found that arbitrators sided with the fired officer nearly half the time. From 2006 to 2017, about 70 percent of fired officers in San Antonio were reinstated after arbitration, according to an analysis by the Washington Post. Sixty-two percent got their jobs back in Philadelphia, and 45 percent in Washington, DC. In St. Paul, Minnesota, another analysis showed that nearly half did. “It’s an emotional issue among police chiefs. To do the hard work of firing an officer and then have the arbitrator hand them back to you, it’s infuriating,” says Walker. Arradondo, the police chief, echoed this sentiment: “There is nothing more debilitating to a chief, from an employment matter perspective,” than when a fired officer is reinstated, he told reporters Wednesday.

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So why are so many arbitrators siding with cops? One major reason, including in Minneapolis, is that they’re often bound by precedent. If an officer shoots an unarmed man, an arbitrator might overturn his firing if another officer engaged in similar misconduct in the past but wasn’t fired. That’s problematic when you consider that police departments around the country have a long history of not punishing officers who use excessive force. In the case of George Floyd, it’s possible an arbitrator would look back to 2010, when another Minneapolis police officer restrained a man named David Cornelius Smith for four minutes by holding a knee to his back, even after he stopped breathing. Smith died of asphyxia, and the officer was never disciplined.
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But even if that problem were fixed, there are other issues. When an officer is accused of misconduct, the union’s contract requires the police department to provide the officer with documentation at least two days before asking the officer to make a formal statement, giving him or her ample time to come up with a story or justification for what happened. The contract also prohibits the department from recording misconduct in an officer’s personnel file if the officer was not disciplined. (And in Minneapolis, less than 1 percent of misconduct complaints filed by the public have led to discipline since 2012.) What’s more, the contract doesn’t cap the number of hours that officers can work as off-duty security guards for private companies that pay them directly, something activists fear could lead to exhaustion that impairs their judgment. In 2017, for example, after an officer named Mohamed Noor shot and killed a woman approaching his patrol car to report a rape, investigators learned he had gone on patrol that night after working seven hours off-duty at a Wells Fargo branch.
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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?
is it this?


By Jordan Rubin, Kimberly Robinson and Porter Wells | Bloomberg
April 21, 2021 at 1:29 p.m. EDT
As the issue of U.S. policing reform moves past the death of George Floyd, one front-burner issue is qualified immunity. That’s a controversial legal doctrine invented by the Supreme Court that shields law enforcement and other officials from civil suits alleging violations of federal law. Legislation introduced by Democrats in Congress would eliminate that shield, but stiff opposition by Republicans probably assures it will live on.

1. What’s the issue with qualified immunity?
Since prosecutors have historically been hesitant to bring criminal charges against police officers, the protection from civil suits that qualified immunity confers has left many victims and their families with no means of legal redress. Even in the wake of Floyd’s death in 2020, the Supreme Court has rejected petitions that sought to topple the doctrine.

 
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April 21, 2021 at 1:29 p.m. EDT
As the issue of U.S. policing reform moves past the death of George Floyd, one front-burner issue is qualified immunity. That’s a controversial legal doctrine invented by the Supreme Court that shields law enforcement and other officials from civil suits alleging violations of federal law. Legislation introduced by Democrats in Congress would eliminate that shield, but stiff opposition by Republicans probably assures it will live on.

1. What’s the issue with qualified immunity?
Since prosecutors have historically been hesitant to bring criminal charges against police officers, the protection from civil suits that qualified immunity confers has left many victims and their families with no means of legal redress. Even in the wake of Floyd’s death in 2020, the Supreme Court has rejected petitions that sought to topple the doctrine.

Right, the Floyd death that netted the family over 20 million dollars.

Police departments strive to find the best people they can to become police officers. I know this because a lifelong friend of mine has a son who spent years trying to get on a police force. He went to college to study law enforcement, he applied in any city to get a job as a police officer, he used his own money to go to the police academy to get ahead of other applicants, he got a non-paying job with the Sheriffs department on the other side of the state, and finally got a job with a police force about 50 miles from his home here in Cleveland.

This is a good guy; I've known him since he was born. He even conducted our CCW class in my living room.

As we make it harder on police officers, we will end up with less qualified people because the great people will abandon their dream of becoming an officer. Who needs the problem? This is especially true of areas where blacks live. Now get rid of qualified immunity? Great idea that only a Democrat can think of. Before you know it people will have to make the choice of making french fries at McDonald's or joining a police force because they are so desperate to get anybody to take the job.
 

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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?


Careforall:

is it this?


By Jordan Rubin, Kimberly Robinson and Porter Wells | Bloomberg
April 21, 2021 at 1:29 p.m. EDT
As the issue of U.S. policing reform moves past the death of George Floyd, one front-burner issue is qualified immunity. That’s a controversial legal doctrine invented by the Supreme Court that shields law enforcement and other officials from civil suits alleging violations of federal law. Legislation introduced by Democrats in Congress would eliminate that shield, but stiff opposition by Republicans probably assures it will live on.

1. What’s the issue with qualified immunity?
Since prosecutors have historically been hesitant to bring criminal charges against police officers, the protection from civil suits that qualified immunity confers has left many victims and their families with no means of legal redress. Even in the wake of Floyd’s death in 2020, the Supreme Court has rejected petitions that sought to topple the doctrine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...aa07e6-a2c3-11eb-b314-2e993bd83e31_story.html

Me:

No, it isn't. First of all, I'm not up on the legislation in Congress you are referring to, presumably it is the "Justice in Policing Act," probably opposed because it goes too far in eliminating the qualified immunity 'shield' that you refer to. But whatever it is, if Minneapolis local law enforcement officials and those in leadership and management position did their jobs as they were supposed to, then Derek Chauvin wouldn't have been on the police force. And no legislation at any level change changes the truth that the democrats in office in Minneapolis should have gotten rid of Chauvin long ago and didn't do it. You can throw out red herrings left an right, but it does not change that fact.

If anyone wants to start a thread on 'Qualified Immunity', I'll show up. But let's not pretend that it has anything to do with George Floyd's death or Derek Chauvin's actions or his guilt. Maybe I'll start that thread myself if no one else does.
 

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Whoever it is that never fired him, I wonder if their job/freedom could now be in jeopardy.

God bless you always!!!

Holly
 

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April 21, 2021 at 1:29 p.m. EDT
As the issue of U.S. policing reform moves past the death of George Floyd, one front-burner issue is qualified immunity. That’s a controversial legal doctrine invented by the Supreme Court that shields law enforcement and other officials from civil suits alleging violations of federal law. Legislation introduced by Democrats in Congress would eliminate that shield, but stiff opposition by Republicans probably assures it will live on.

1. What’s the issue with qualified immunity?
Since prosecutors have historically been hesitant to bring criminal charges against police officers, the protection from civil suits that qualified immunity confers has left many victims and their families with no means of legal redress. Even in the wake of Floyd’s death in 2020, the Supreme Court has rejected petitions that sought to topple the doctrine.

Right, the Floyd death that netted the family over 20 million dollars.

Police departments strive to find the best people they can to become police officers. I know this because a lifelong friend of mine has a son who spent years trying to get on a police force. He went to college to study law enforcement, he applied in any city to get a job as a police officer, he used his own money to go to the police academy to get ahead of other applicants, he got a non-paying job with the Sheriffs department on the other side of the state, and finally got a job with a police force about 50 miles from his home here in Cleveland.

This is a good guy; I've known him since he was born. He even conducted our CCW class in my living room.

As we make it harder on police officers, we will end up with less qualified people because the great people will abandon their dream of becoming an officer. Who needs the problem? This is especially true of areas where blacks live. Now get rid of qualified immunity? Great idea that only a Democrat can think of. Before you know it people will have to make the choice of making french fries at McDonald's or joining a police force because they are so desperate to get anybody to take the job.
My two Uncles, dad's brothers were lifelong policemen, and my sister's husband was a cop until he went back to school to become a chiropractor....

I know there are good policemen....but I also know there are men that are cops, that are just not cut out for the job, who are on the force.
 

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My two Uncles, dad's brothers were lifelong policemen, and my sister's husband was a cop until he went back to school to become a chiropractor....

I know there are good policemen....but I also know there are men that are cops, that are just not cut out for the job, who are on the force.

And what your suggestion will do is put more bad cops on the force. Would you work at any job where you could be personally sued for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars if you made a mistake, or if you really didn't make a mistake and some people perceived that you did? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. Nobody in their right mind would. So if nobody in their right mind would, what you'd have left are mostly people not in their right mind.

Police shouldn't have to carry malpractice insurance.
 

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My two Uncles, dad's brothers were lifelong policemen, and my sister's husband was a cop until he went back to school to become a chiropractor....

I know there are good policemen....but I also know there are men that are cops, that are just not cut out for the job, who are on the force.

And what your suggestion will do is put more bad cops on the force. Would you work at any job where you could be personally sued for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars if you made a mistake, or if you really didn't make a mistake and some people perceived that you did? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. Nobody in their right mind would. So if nobody in their right mind would, what you'd have left are mostly people not in their right mind.

Police shouldn't have to carry malpractice insurance.
That personal immunity from being sued when they clearly did something wrong, is what keeps the bad guys, bad... The good, professional guys don't have to worry, is how I view it.
 

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That personal immunity from being sued when they clearly did something wrong, is what keeps the bad guys, bad... The good, professional guys don't have to worry, is how I view it.

Oh really? Let's take the case in Chicago where an officer shot and killed a 13 year old. The 13 year old was out at 2:30am on a school night with an adult gang member. He was running from the officer who gave pursuit. He kept the gun in his hand until the very end where he stopped, turned around and faced the officer with that gun still in his hand, threw the gun behind a fence as he jerked his arms up quickly in that dark ally. The officer with no way of knowing he threw the gun behind the fence shot and killed him anticipating that he was bringing his arms up to shoot him.

As usual, the left sides against the officer and with the criminal as they always do since Democrats are part of Satin's cabal. The right is sticking up for this officer who served his country in war in the Marine corps and tried to give immediate first aid to the suspect.

This is a commie city in a commie town. The officer was merely defending his life from an armed criminal who was suspected at shooting at passing cars. Now if this officer doesn't have immunity, how would the outcome in a personal lawsuit turn out for him given (once again) opinions are divided along political lines?

This is a good American and police officer who had to make a fraction of a second decision; his life depended on it. Clearly he is this good and professional guy you wrote about. So if they bring charges on him, and the irresponsible parent(s) have the right to sue him, how many good people like that do you think would join the police force?
 

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I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug.
Sounds about right.

Police unions went for Trump last election, btw. Since they want things to continue being swept under the rug.
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