Why was Chauvin still on the police force?

Chauvin was the subject of at least 17 complaints during his career, according to police records, but only one led to discipline. Prosecutors sought permission to introduce eight prior use-of-force incidents, but the judge would only allow two. In the end the jury heard none.
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As Monroe Skinaway, 75, took in news of Chauvin's conviction, he flashed back to the night he witnessed Chauvin pin another man to the pavement with the same detached look as when he knelt on Floyd's neck.

It was March 2019, 15 months before Floyd's death would spark global protests against racism and police brutality.

But Skinaway still remembers what he deemed the indifference on Chauvin's face that night as he pressed Sir Rilee Peet's head into a puddle deep enough that he, like Floyd, struggled to breathe.

A jury on Tuesday found Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of the Minneapolis police force, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter, an outcome welcomed by activists as progress in holding law enforcement accountable for its treatment of Black Americans. Chauvin is white and Floyd was Black.

"We people of color very seldom get a good verdict," said Skinaway, who is Native American. "I'm kind of amazed."

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Skinaway says he did not know Chauvin at the time he and another officer arrested Sir Rilee Peet, a young Native American man with a history of mental illness. But Skinaway later recognized him as the officer charged in Floyd's death.

Skinaway says he was speaking with the officers about the recovery of a stolen car when Peet approached and did not comply with requests to back away. A police report about the incident states that a struggle ensued and Chauvin maced Peet, applied a neck restraint and pinned him to the ground so he could be handcuffed.

The incident was one of the six prior use-of-force incidents that Judge Peter Cahill blocked prosecutors from presenting at trial, ruling they would be prejudicial.

In court filings, prosecutors said Chauvin restrained Peet in a manner that was beyond what was necessary or reasonable - an assertion also made by Skinaway in interviews with Reuters.

Skinaway says Chauvin grabbed Peet by the back of his hair and pressed his face into a rain puddle. That began a cycle where Peet would gasp for air and say "I can't breathe, man" before Chauvin would force his head down again.

Skinaway said he saw similarities between Chauvin's treatment of Peet and Floyd.

"He basically did the same thing to that Native kid," Skinaway said. "I think the incident would have gone longer possibly if the ambulance didn't show up."



I have to wonder, how the hell was this guy still on the street with a badge and a gun? 8 prior use of force incidents among at least 17 complaints? WTF does it take to get a bad cop fired? I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug. I'll be glad to read anyone else's ideas, but IMHO at least part of the reason why Chauvin was there in th 1st place was due to his police union and their donations to democrat political campaigns.

We know public unions including police unions make huge donations to political campaigns, almost all of which are democrats. And we know that in many of not most democrat-controlled cities and states, those unions have legislation that almost totally protects cops from prosecution. The judge in Chauvin's case would only allow 2 of the 8 prior use of force incidents, why is that? Would anyone else get that benefit? Consider:


In Minneapolis, one of the biggest hurdles to firing cops is a guarantee enshrined in state law and the city’s union contract: that officers can appeal their firing to independent arbitrators, who can reinstate them to their jobs with back pay. Cops in many states do the same. In Oakland, California, arbitrators in 2011 overturned the firing of Hector Jimenez, an officer who shot two unarmed men in the same year; he shot one of them in the back three times. Last year, an arbitrator reinstated a University of Minnesota cop who was accused of choking a woman who’d kicked his car while he was off duty; he denied the allegation, though her collarbone was bruised, and he admitted to getting into her personal space during an argument.

In fact, it’s exceedingly common for firings to be overturned. In a national study of 92 cases between 2011 and 2015, a University of Minnesota researcher found that arbitrators sided with the fired officer nearly half the time. From 2006 to 2017, about 70 percent of fired officers in San Antonio were reinstated after arbitration, according to an analysis by the Washington Post. Sixty-two percent got their jobs back in Philadelphia, and 45 percent in Washington, DC. In St. Paul, Minnesota, another analysis showed that nearly half did. “It’s an emotional issue among police chiefs. To do the hard work of firing an officer and then have the arbitrator hand them back to you, it’s infuriating,” says Walker. Arradondo, the police chief, echoed this sentiment: “There is nothing more debilitating to a chief, from an employment matter perspective,” than when a fired officer is reinstated, he told reporters Wednesday.

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So why are so many arbitrators siding with cops? One major reason, including in Minneapolis, is that they’re often bound by precedent. If an officer shoots an unarmed man, an arbitrator might overturn his firing if another officer engaged in similar misconduct in the past but wasn’t fired. That’s problematic when you consider that police departments around the country have a long history of not punishing officers who use excessive force. In the case of George Floyd, it’s possible an arbitrator would look back to 2010, when another Minneapolis police officer restrained a man named David Cornelius Smith for four minutes by holding a knee to his back, even after he stopped breathing. Smith died of asphyxia, and the officer was never disciplined.
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But even if that problem were fixed, there are other issues. When an officer is accused of misconduct, the union’s contract requires the police department to provide the officer with documentation at least two days before asking the officer to make a formal statement, giving him or her ample time to come up with a story or justification for what happened. The contract also prohibits the department from recording misconduct in an officer’s personnel file if the officer was not disciplined. (And in Minneapolis, less than 1 percent of misconduct complaints filed by the public have led to discipline since 2012.) What’s more, the contract doesn’t cap the number of hours that officers can work as off-duty security guards for private companies that pay them directly, something activists fear could lead to exhaustion that impairs their judgment. In 2017, for example, after an officer named Mohamed Noor shot and killed a woman approaching his patrol car to report a rape, investigators learned he had gone on patrol that night after working seven hours off-duty at a Wells Fargo branch.
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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?

I thought he was a former police officer??
 
And what your suggestion will do is put more bad cops on the force. Would you work at any job where you could be personally sued for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars if you made a mistake, or if you really didn't make a mistake and some people perceived that you did? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. Nobody in their right mind would. So if nobody in their right mind would, what you'd have left are mostly people not in their right mind.

Police shouldn't have to carry malpractice insurance.
I agree with your premise. I also believe that the great guys becoming Police Officers ship sailed decades ago.
 
I agree with your premise. I also believe that the great guys becoming Police Officers ship sailed decades ago.

I don't because my former coworker was a retired Cleveland police officer, and I have a lifelong friend has a son who became a cop. Great guy and I knew him all of his life. It took years before a police department finally hired him. While nothing is guaranteed, police departments try to hire the best they can.

My suburb is trying to find new police officers. I live in a mostly black city. They can't find anybody to take the job. They've been posting the ads on Facebook for a month now, so the disinterest in police work is already taking place. Now they'll have to hire anybody willing to take the job instead of getting a line of applicants and choosing the best.

It's not a bad paying job ($75K a year) and the benefits are outstanding. But like I said, who wants to deal with all these problems blacks inflict on our police?
 
I don't because my former coworker was a retired Cleveland police officer, and I have a lifelong friend has a son who became a cop. Great guy and I knew him all of his life. It took years before a police department finally hired him. While nothing is guaranteed, police departments try to hire the best they can.

My suburb is trying to find new police officers. I live in a mostly black city. They can't find anybody to take the job. They've been posting the ads on Facebook for a month now, so the disinterest in police work is already taking place. Now they'll have to hire anybody willing to take the job instead of getting a line of applicants and choosing the best.

It's not a bad paying job ($75K a year) and the benefits are outstanding. But like I said, who wants to deal with all these problems blacks inflict on our police?
Do the black men from the mostly black city frequent your suburb? I'll assume that they do. I hope that they post their for hire ads in other places too. Who goes on fb to get a police officer job?

The unafraid can deal with whatever it takes to cut the mustard in your suburb. I applied to be a Cop in Plano Texas in '78 when I first moved there. New kid in town that doesn't know anyone, why not? Plano is a Dallas suburb. Back then Dallas wanted 2 years of college, but Plano would take you in with a HS diploma. They approved my application, then waited 4 months to tell me to come in for the physical testing. By then, I had a construction job, was renting a house, and had a girlfriend and a ton of friends. I blew it off. You took too long slow pokes.

I might've been a good Cop. I'll never know.
 
Do the black men from the mostly black city frequent your suburb? I'll assume that they do. I hope that they post their for hire ads in other places too. Who goes on fb to get a police officer job?

The unafraid can deal with whatever it takes to cut the mustard in your suburb. I applied to be a Cop in Plano Texas in '78 when I first moved there. New kid in town that doesn't know anyone, why not? Plano is a Dallas suburb. Back then Dallas wanted 2 years of college, but Plano would take you in with a HS diploma. They approved my application, then waited 4 months to tell me to come in for the physical testing. By then, I had a construction job, was renting a house, and had a girlfriend and a ton of friends. I blew it off. You took too long slow pokes.

I might've been a good Cop. I'll never know.

How things have changed. I knew guys who wanted to be police officers and never got an offer. When they put out an ad, hundreds would show up for two or three potential positions. It's a job a lot of guys wanted. I think today you have less and less people looking into getting in that line of work for obvious reasons. White suburbs probably still have the same amount of interested applicants, but not the major cities anymore. From what I understand, there is a record number of officers leaving the cities either taking an early retirement or leaving to work for another city.
 
April 21, 2021 at 1:29 p.m. EDT
As the issue of U.S. policing reform moves past the death of George Floyd, one front-burner issue is qualified immunity. That’s a controversial legal doctrine invented by the Supreme Court that shields law enforcement and other officials from civil suits alleging violations of federal law. Legislation introduced by Democrats in Congress would eliminate that shield, but stiff opposition by Republicans probably assures it will live on.

1. What’s the issue with qualified immunity?
Since prosecutors have historically been hesitant to bring criminal charges against police officers, the protection from civil suits that qualified immunity confers has left many victims and their families with no means of legal redress. Even in the wake of Floyd’s death in 2020, the Supreme Court has rejected petitions that sought to topple the doctrine.

Right, the Floyd death that netted the family over 20 million dollars.

Police departments strive to find the best people they can to become police officers. I know this because a lifelong friend of mine has a son who spent years trying to get on a police force. He went to college to study law enforcement, he applied in any city to get a job as a police officer, he used his own money to go to the police academy to get ahead of other applicants, he got a non-paying job with the Sheriffs department on the other side of the state, and finally got a job with a police force about 50 miles from his home here in Cleveland.

This is a good guy; I've known him since he was born. He even conducted our CCW class in my living room.

As we make it harder on police officers, we will end up with less qualified people because the great people will abandon their dream of becoming an officer. Who needs the problem? This is especially true of areas where blacks live. Now get rid of qualified immunity? Great idea that only a Democrat can think of. Before you know it people will have to make the choice of making french fries at McDonald's or joining a police force because they are so desperate to get anybody to take the job.

So there should really be no laws or accountability for police officers, especially white police officers in your eyes. They should be able to pretty much conduct themselves in any manner. We can start with those who served as Slave Patrols up until today the police have operated any way they want and White America will cover for them, as long as, they keep their boots on the necks of black and brown people.

Coumo hit it right on the nail head.

 
My two Uncles, dad's brothers were lifelong policemen, and my sister's husband was a cop until he went back to school to become a chiropractor....

I know there are good policemen....but I also know there are men that are cops, that are just not cut out for the job, who are on the force.

And what your suggestion will do is put more bad cops on the force. Would you work at any job where you could be personally sued for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars if you made a mistake, or if you really didn't make a mistake and some people perceived that you did? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. Nobody in their right mind would. So if nobody in their right mind would, what you'd have left are mostly people not in their right mind.

Police shouldn't have to carry malpractice insurance.
End qualified immunity and no decent person would be a police officer. Every arrest or even stop would result in a lawsuit. The premiums for malpractice insurance would be more than an annual salary.

We would find the cartels in charge of more than the border.
 
Do the black men from the mostly black city frequent your suburb? I'll assume that they do. I hope that they post their for hire ads in other places too. Who goes on fb to get a police officer job?

The unafraid can deal with whatever it takes to cut the mustard in your suburb. I applied to be a Cop in Plano Texas in '78 when I first moved there. New kid in town that doesn't know anyone, why not? Plano is a Dallas suburb. Back then Dallas wanted 2 years of college, but Plano would take you in with a HS diploma. They approved my application, then waited 4 months to tell me to come in for the physical testing. By then, I had a construction job, was renting a house, and had a girlfriend and a ton of friends. I blew it off. You took too long slow pokes.

I might've been a good Cop. I'll never know.

How things have changed. I knew guys who wanted to be police officers and never got an offer. When they put out an ad, hundreds would show up for two or three potential positions. It's a job a lot of guys wanted. I think today you have less and less people looking into getting in that line of work for obvious reasons. White suburbs probably still have the same amount of interested applicants, but not the major cities anymore. From what I understand, there is a record number of officers leaving the cities either taking an early retirement or leaving to work for another city.

Here's the Dallas PD racial stats from 5 years ago. I guess that black and brown men are still welcome to apply. Like you said the pay ain't that bad and the bennies are sweet.




Dallas Police Department racial makeup
Demographics
Race/Ethnicity20082016
White57%50%
African American24%26%
Hispanic16%21%
Other0%0%
 
Chauvin was the subject of at least 17 complaints during his career, according to police records, but only one led to discipline. Prosecutors sought permission to introduce eight prior use-of-force incidents, but the judge would only allow two. In the end the jury heard none.
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As Monroe Skinaway, 75, took in news of Chauvin's conviction, he flashed back to the night he witnessed Chauvin pin another man to the pavement with the same detached look as when he knelt on Floyd's neck.

It was March 2019, 15 months before Floyd's death would spark global protests against racism and police brutality.

But Skinaway still remembers what he deemed the indifference on Chauvin's face that night as he pressed Sir Rilee Peet's head into a puddle deep enough that he, like Floyd, struggled to breathe.

A jury on Tuesday found Chauvin, a 19-year veteran of the Minneapolis police force, guilty of all three charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter, an outcome welcomed by activists as progress in holding law enforcement accountable for its treatment of Black Americans. Chauvin is white and Floyd was Black.

"We people of color very seldom get a good verdict," said Skinaway, who is Native American. "I'm kind of amazed."

'I CAN'T BREATHE, MAN'

Skinaway says he did not know Chauvin at the time he and another officer arrested Sir Rilee Peet, a young Native American man with a history of mental illness. But Skinaway later recognized him as the officer charged in Floyd's death.

Skinaway says he was speaking with the officers about the recovery of a stolen car when Peet approached and did not comply with requests to back away. A police report about the incident states that a struggle ensued and Chauvin maced Peet, applied a neck restraint and pinned him to the ground so he could be handcuffed.

The incident was one of the six prior use-of-force incidents that Judge Peter Cahill blocked prosecutors from presenting at trial, ruling they would be prejudicial.

In court filings, prosecutors said Chauvin restrained Peet in a manner that was beyond what was necessary or reasonable - an assertion also made by Skinaway in interviews with Reuters.

Skinaway says Chauvin grabbed Peet by the back of his hair and pressed his face into a rain puddle. That began a cycle where Peet would gasp for air and say "I can't breathe, man" before Chauvin would force his head down again.

Skinaway said he saw similarities between Chauvin's treatment of Peet and Floyd.

"He basically did the same thing to that Native kid," Skinaway said. "I think the incident would have gone longer possibly if the ambulance didn't show up."



I have to wonder, how the hell was this guy still on the street with a badge and a gun? 8 prior use of force incidents among at least 17 complaints? WTF does it take to get a bad cop fired? I can only surmise that it takes a death and some riots, otherwise it gets shoved under the rug. I'll be glad to read anyone else's ideas, but IMHO at least part of the reason why Chauvin was there in th 1st place was due to his police union and their donations to democrat political campaigns.

We know public unions including police unions make huge donations to political campaigns, almost all of which are democrats. And we know that in many of not most democrat-controlled cities and states, those unions have legislation that almost totally protects cops from prosecution. The judge in Chauvin's case would only allow 2 of the 8 prior use of force incidents, why is that? Would anyone else get that benefit? Consider:


In Minneapolis, one of the biggest hurdles to firing cops is a guarantee enshrined in state law and the city’s union contract: that officers can appeal their firing to independent arbitrators, who can reinstate them to their jobs with back pay. Cops in many states do the same. In Oakland, California, arbitrators in 2011 overturned the firing of Hector Jimenez, an officer who shot two unarmed men in the same year; he shot one of them in the back three times. Last year, an arbitrator reinstated a University of Minnesota cop who was accused of choking a woman who’d kicked his car while he was off duty; he denied the allegation, though her collarbone was bruised, and he admitted to getting into her personal space during an argument.

In fact, it’s exceedingly common for firings to be overturned. In a national study of 92 cases between 2011 and 2015, a University of Minnesota researcher found that arbitrators sided with the fired officer nearly half the time. From 2006 to 2017, about 70 percent of fired officers in San Antonio were reinstated after arbitration, according to an analysis by the Washington Post. Sixty-two percent got their jobs back in Philadelphia, and 45 percent in Washington, DC. In St. Paul, Minnesota, another analysis showed that nearly half did. “It’s an emotional issue among police chiefs. To do the hard work of firing an officer and then have the arbitrator hand them back to you, it’s infuriating,” says Walker. Arradondo, the police chief, echoed this sentiment: “There is nothing more debilitating to a chief, from an employment matter perspective,” than when a fired officer is reinstated, he told reporters Wednesday.

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So why are so many arbitrators siding with cops? One major reason, including in Minneapolis, is that they’re often bound by precedent. If an officer shoots an unarmed man, an arbitrator might overturn his firing if another officer engaged in similar misconduct in the past but wasn’t fired. That’s problematic when you consider that police departments around the country have a long history of not punishing officers who use excessive force. In the case of George Floyd, it’s possible an arbitrator would look back to 2010, when another Minneapolis police officer restrained a man named David Cornelius Smith for four minutes by holding a knee to his back, even after he stopped breathing. Smith died of asphyxia, and the officer was never disciplined.
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But even if that problem were fixed, there are other issues. When an officer is accused of misconduct, the union’s contract requires the police department to provide the officer with documentation at least two days before asking the officer to make a formal statement, giving him or her ample time to come up with a story or justification for what happened. The contract also prohibits the department from recording misconduct in an officer’s personnel file if the officer was not disciplined. (And in Minneapolis, less than 1 percent of misconduct complaints filed by the public have led to discipline since 2012.) What’s more, the contract doesn’t cap the number of hours that officers can work as off-duty security guards for private companies that pay them directly, something activists fear could lead to exhaustion that impairs their judgment. In 2017, for example, after an officer named Mohamed Noor shot and killed a woman approaching his patrol car to report a rape, investigators learned he had gone on patrol that night after working seven hours off-duty at a Wells Fargo branch.
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Derek Chauvin was a bad cop, there's no way any decent cop keeps his knee on a guy's neck that long after he stops resisting. Be that as it may, IMHO there's no way this guy should have been there in the 1st place, wearing a badge and a gun. We can point the finger at him for his misdeeds and rightfully so. But when are we going to start asking questions about the decisions made that allowed him to do what he did?

What it boils down to is that the police unions and the democrats are in bed with each other, quid pro quo. Or are we to believe that the democrats in a position of authority to fire this guy failed to do so out of what? Incompetence? Or was it something else?

For the simple fact he just the type of officer they want, one who has the mindset of the sheet wearers.
 
So there should really be no laws or accountability for police officers, especially white police officers in your eyes. They should be able to pretty much conduct themselves in any manner. We can start with those who served as Slave Patrols up until today the police have operated any way they want and White America will cover for them, as long as, they keep their boots on the necks of black and brown people.

Coumo hit it right on the nail head.

Police are held accountable now, but to take it to a personal off the job level is just pure Nazism. Would you work a job where you could get sued for the next 20 years of pay? Nobody would and that's the point. If the commies get away with this, look for a much, much lower level of police quality in the future.
 
Do the black men from the mostly black city frequent your suburb? I'll assume that they do. I hope that they post their for hire ads in other places too. Who goes on fb to get a police officer job?

The unafraid can deal with whatever it takes to cut the mustard in your suburb. I applied to be a Cop in Plano Texas in '78 when I first moved there. New kid in town that doesn't know anyone, why not? Plano is a Dallas suburb. Back then Dallas wanted 2 years of college, but Plano would take you in with a HS diploma. They approved my application, then waited 4 months to tell me to come in for the physical testing. By then, I had a construction job, was renting a house, and had a girlfriend and a ton of friends. I blew it off. You took too long slow pokes.

I might've been a good Cop. I'll never know.

How things have changed. I knew guys who wanted to be police officers and never got an offer. When they put out an ad, hundreds would show up for two or three potential positions. It's a job a lot of guys wanted. I think today you have less and less people looking into getting in that line of work for obvious reasons. White suburbs probably still have the same amount of interested applicants, but not the major cities anymore. From what I understand, there is a record number of officers leaving the cities either taking an early retirement or leaving to work for another city.

Here's the Dallas PD racial stats from 5 years ago. I guess that black and brown men are still welcome to apply. Like you said the pay ain't that bad and the bennies are sweet.




Dallas Police Department racial makeup
Demographics
Race/Ethnicity20082016
White57%50%
African American24%26%
Hispanic16%21%
Other0%0%

Perhaps but let's not forget how the racial makeup in Texas has changed as well. Everybody was always welcome to apply. But what I'm speaking to is the amount of people that want the job these days.
 
So there should really be no laws or accountability for police officers, especially white police officers in your eyes. They should be able to pretty much conduct themselves in any manner. We can start with those who served as Slave Patrols up until today the police have operated any way they want and White America will cover for them, as long as, they keep their boots on the necks of black and brown people.

Coumo hit it right on the nail head.

Police are held accountable now,

No, one police officer is being held accountable.

but to take it to a personal off the job level is just pure Nazism.

Personal off the job level, really?

Would you work a job where you could get sued for the next 20 years of pay?

Isn't that why you have General Liability Insurance.

Nobody would and that's the point. If the commies get away with this, look for a much, much lower level of police quality in the future.

Sorry we need police reform now, actually we needed it over 100yrs ago. Had it been done then we wouldn't be where we are now.
 
End qualified immunity and no decent person would be a police officer. Every arrest or even stop would result in a lawsuit. The premiums for malpractice insurance would be more than an annual salary.

We would find the cartels in charge of more than the border.

I don't think white suburbs or towns would change all that much. It's the blacks that are the problem and most of them live in the larger cities. So they are creating their own disaster by supporting crap like that.

By ending qualified immunity an officer could get sued even if his actions were justified. For instance I'm a CCW holder in my state. Somebody attacks me and I kill them with my gun. The police come out and say I was well within the law to use deadly force. Believe it or not, I can still be sued by the family for defending myself using a firearm. It's not that they would stand much of a chance of winning, but look at all my legal expenses I would have to endure to defend my legal actions.

Look at the Tamir Rice case in my city. If you don't remember, he was the 5'9" 195 lbs 12 year old that was pointing a realistic gun at passing cars. When the cops got there, the gun was in his pants, and as soon as the cops got out of the car, he pulled that realistic gun out of his pants and an officer shot him dead. The grand jury ruled that the officer broke no laws which he didn't. The city caved for political reasons even before the case was heard in court and gave the lowlife mother 7 million dollars. Without that immunity, that officer who was merely defending himself could have gotten sued as well.
 
No, one police officer is being held accountable.

They all are. Every shooting is thoroughly investigated by several agencies. If it's found the officer acted illegally, he is charged. If the evidence proves that the officer acted within his means of the law, he is not charged.

Personal off the job level, really?

Yes, when you personally sue somebody over something they did on their job, you are taking it to a personal level.

Isn't that why you have General Liability Insurance.

We don't have it today, but if police officers need to get it, what's the point? Get a job where you don't have to worry or deal with shit like that.

Sorry we need police reform now, actually we needed it over 100yrs ago. Had it been done then we wouldn't be where we are now.

Look, all these incidents happen in commie cities. Why didn't the commies reform their police 100 years ago?

The real solution is bring back segregation. You live there, and we'll live here. You hire black cops and restrict them the way you like, and we'll hire white cops we want and give them the liberty to perform their job. You can run your schools and businesses the way you like, and we'll do the same. Then nobody would have anything to complain about again. The melting pot doesn't work and never has.
 
75 grand is a pittance. Should be 200 grand plus better bennies. Then people apply. You get what you pay for.
 
No, one police officer is being held accountable.

They all are. Every shooting is thoroughly investigated by several agencies. If it's found the officer acted illegally, he is charged. If the evidence proves that the officer acted within his means of the law, he is not charged.

Yea that is why so many of them are held accountable. We have watched white jury after white jury let the police walk away Scott free.

Personal off the job level, really?

Yes, when you personally sue somebody over something they did on their job, you are taking it to a personal level.

When someone sees one of their family members harassed, beaten or murdered, how else are they suppose to take it?

Isn't that why you have General Liability Insurance.

We don't have it today, but if police officers need to get it, what's the point? Get a job where you don't have to worry or deal with shit like that.

You do have it, when the police break the law it doesn't cost them it cost the taxpayers.

Sorry we need police reform now, actually we needed it over 100yrs ago. Had it been done then we wouldn't be where we are now.

Look, all these incidents happen in commie cities. Why didn't the commies reform their police 100 years ago?

Save that commie bullshit. They happen in these cities because the cops who commit these crimes don't live in the city. They come into the cities, do their dirt and then go back to their lily white neighborhoods to live.

The real solution is bring back segregation. You live there, and we'll live here. You hire black cops and restrict them the way you like, and we'll hire white cops we want and give them the liberty to perform their job. You can run your schools and businesses the way you like, and we'll do the same. Then nobody would have anything to complain about again. The melting pot doesn't work and never has.

When we shed our blood for this country we weren't segregated, when we made sacrifices we weren't segregated. I am pretty sure most white folks in this country don't follow your racist example, but hell you are already segregated. Why don't you get a police job in your lily white areas, why do you want to come in the cities to be police officers? I'll tell you why, because you can't do that crooked bullshit in lily white cities because there will be accountability. We need nationwide reform on policing, one basic set of rules from NC to California, the only cops who are against it are the ones who aren't following the law.
 
No, one police officer is being held accountable.

They all are. Every shooting is thoroughly investigated by several agencies. If it's found the officer acted illegally, he is charged. If the evidence proves that the officer acted within his means of the law, he is not charged.

Yea that is why so many of them are held accountable. We have watched white jury after white jury let the police walk away Scott free.

Personal off the job level, really?

Yes, when you personally sue somebody over something they did on their job, you are taking it to a personal level.

When someone sees one of their family members harassed, beaten or murdered, how else are they suppose to take it?

Isn't that why you have General Liability Insurance.

We don't have it today, but if police officers need to get it, what's the point? Get a job where you don't have to worry or deal with shit like that.

You do have it, when the police break the law it doesn't cost them it cost the taxpayers.

Sorry we need police reform now, actually we needed it over 100yrs ago. Had it been done then we wouldn't be where we are now.

Look, all these incidents happen in commie cities. Why didn't the commies reform their police 100 years ago?

Save that commie bullshit. They happen in these cities because the cops who commit these crimes don't live in the city. They come into the cities, do their dirt and then go back to their lily white neighborhoods to live.

The real solution is bring back segregation. You live there, and we'll live here. You hire black cops and restrict them the way you like, and we'll hire white cops we want and give them the liberty to perform their job. You can run your schools and businesses the way you like, and we'll do the same. Then nobody would have anything to complain about again. The melting pot doesn't work and never has.

When we shed our blood for this country we weren't segregated, when we made sacrifices we weren't segregated. I am pretty sure most white folks in this country don't follow your racist example, but hell you are already segregated. Why don't you get a police job in your lily white areas, why do you want to come in the cities to be police officers? I'll tell you why, because you can't do that crooked bullshit in lily white cities because there will be accountability. We need nationwide reform on policing, one basic set of rules from NC to California, the only cops who are against it are the ones who aren't following the law.
You should tell that to your segregationist President. You probably don't have any idea about Joe Biden's past segregationist words, huh.
 
Yea that is why so many of them are held accountable. We have watched white jury after white jury let the police walk away Scott free.

No, what you witnessed were jurors who decided no laws were broken which is most of the cases. The problem is many people on your side are too ignorant of our laws.

When someone sees one of their family members harassed, beaten or murdered, how else are they suppose to take it?

It has nothing to do with how they take it, it has to do with holding somebody personally liable for what they did on the job. No other job has such liabilities. I drove a truck for a living. If I ever got into an accident that was my fault (which never happened) the harmed parties couldn't do a thing to me. They can sue my bosses insurance company, but that's about it.

You do have it, when the police break the law it doesn't cost them it cost the taxpayers.

No, we do not have it. No officer carries malpractice insurance. And even if they could get sued, it doesn't stop the lowlifes from suing the city as well.

Save that commie bullshit. They happen in these cities because the cops who commit these crimes don't live in the city. They come into the cities, do their dirt and then go back to their lily white neighborhoods to live.

But the commies control their police no matter where they live.

When we shed our blood for this country we weren't segregated, when we made sacrifices we weren't segregated. I am pretty sure most white folks in this country don't follow your racist example, but hell you are already segregated. Why don't you get a police job in your lily white areas, why do you want to come in the cities to be police officers? I'll tell you why, because you can't do that crooked bullshit in lily white cities because there will be accountability. We need nationwide reform on policing, one basic set of rules from NC to California, the only cops who are against it are the ones who aren't following the law.

Who do you think you're talking to, some kid? Segregation was here when I was growing up. Whites lived in one area and blacks lived in another. At least for us, it worked out just fine. Low crime, walk the streets safely day or night, go to sleep with our doors open, stores never having to worry about being robbed. It was great.

But now it seems it's not working out for blacks either. So let's part ways and you can control your environment and we'll stay out of it. We'll control our environment and you do the same. You can hire a 100% black police force; we wont' have any complaints about it. Then you never have to deal with this phantom white police racism ever again.

Of course the commies are pushing for the federal government to takeover local police departments. That's their long game. They are Communists so they want to control everything right down to how many times you can shit during the day. It's what Communists do.
 

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