Why the outrage over NK soldiers? NATO troops have been in since the beginning.

[Deadstick]

Russia has become very modern and for that I thank Gorbachev. He took Russia out of the attacking nation to one that gave the public of Russia excellent opportunities. Then Putin fucked it up.

You missed out where this clown humiliated Gorbachev, i bet you just loved this piss head, Putin saved Russia you clown.

 

[Robert W]

You missed out where this clown humiliated Gorbachev, i bet you just loved this piss head, Putin saved Russia you clown.

Russia was so piss poor under Stalin that when Gorbachev freed the Russians, they had the chance to prosper. And I can show you videos proving Russia prospered. Russia also freed Ukraine and now intends to capture that country. Putin should have helped Russia prosper.

 

[Zavulon]

Operation hell, Russia invaded a peaceful nation. NATO is defensive. Even your talk about Kosovo was my complaint when it happened. I saw it as a USA attack for the sake of Kosovo. And it was wrong. I agree Clinton's attacks in Yugoslavia were illegal. Why can't you admit Putin's invasion of Ukraine is also illegal?

Because Putin's invasion of Ukraine is pretty legal. It is pure self-defense. And no, Ukraine under post-Maidan Kievan regime was, and still is, anything but "peaceful". It was started on Maidan as an outbreak of Neo-Nazi gang activity and continued in Odessa Massacre, Kharkov terror and shelling of Donbass.
NATO isn't defensive. NATO countries invaded Serbia, Iraq, Syria and many other countries who didn't try to attack them.
And yes, if you agree that 1999 invasion in Serbia was a crime and mistake - are you ready to undone what was illegaly done?

 

[Robert W]

Because Putin's invasion of Ukraine is pretty legal. It is pure self-defense. And no, Ukraine under post-Maidan Kievan regime was, and still is, anything but "peaceful". It was started on Maidan as an outbreak of Neo-Nazi gang activity and continued in Odessa Massacre, Kharkov terror and shelling of Donbass.
NATO isn't defensive. NATO countries invaded Serbia, Iraq, Syria and many other countries who didn't try to attack them.
And yes, if you agree that 1999 invasion in Serbia was a crime and mistake - are you ready to undone what was illegaly done?

Fortunately you are not believed by most of the world. See, we know Putin invaded. And he had no right to invade. Many of your countrymen do not believe Putin and flee to other places for their own safety. How can you support Putin?

 

[Zavulon]

Russia has become very modern and for that I thank Gorbachev. He took Russia out of the attacking nation to one that gave the public of Russia excellent opportunities. Then Putin fucked it up.

"Exellent opportunities"? Are you kidding? My family lost almost everything that they earned in twenty years. The whole regions fell in chaos and anarchy. The civil wars were started and industry collapsed. Medical aid in many regions cheased to exist at all. Terrorism and religious radicalism have been destroying souls of people and the very fabric of society.
May be, America deserved their own Gorbachev, who will destroy NATO and the USA. But, however I don't like US policy, even if we agreed to count each other as "enemies" I don't wish you it. Even limited nuclear war may be better than Perestroika.

 

[Robert W]

"Exellent opportunities"? Are you kidding? My family lost almost everything that they earned in twenty years. The whole regions fell in chaos and anarchy. The civil wars were started and industry collapsed. Medical aid in many regions cheased to exist at all. Terrorism and religious radicalism have been destroying souls of people and the very fabric of society.
May be, America deserved their own Gorbachev, who will destroy NATO and the USA. But, however I don't like US policy, even if we agreed to count each other as "enemies" I don't wish you it. Even limited nuclear war may be better than Perestroika.

I feel bad for your family and you. Putin made a huge mistake invading Ukraine with the poor conditions you say the country is in.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Zavulon]

Fortunately you are not believed by most of the world.

We don't care about most of the world, as well as "most of the world" knows nothing about Russia.

See, we know Putin invaded. And he had no right to invade.

Of course he had right to invade, more of it - it is his duty.

Many of your countrymen do not believe Putin and flee to other places for their own safety.

Some of them just cowards, some of them are patriots of other states. Its ok. Most of them already returned in Russia for safety and comfort.

How can you support Putin?

Are you really interested in the reasons of my personal involvement? Ok. My father was a Jew from Kherson and my mother was a Ukrainian from Mariupol. He was an engineer and she was a nurse. Decent people and members of community. I was born and raised in Aral's region of Kazakhstan, where they have been working. From the very beginning of my life there were two social groups in the town- "Russians" (Russian-speaking specialists, including educated Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians and others) and not that well educated local "Mambets" (something like Islamistic Hillbillies, mostly local herders). Ecological catastrope of Aral sea, combined with the collapse of Soviet Union and dramatical collapse of the social life raised the worst features of the human nature. Our family was lucky to escape. We found shelter in Moscow region. For a smart boy from hinterland, collapsing in the anarchy and freak show in Mad Max style, Moscow became everything. It is amazing city, best in the world, miraculous and welcoming. I saw what happened in Kazakhstan and other Middle Asia. I saw how peoples are falling in barbarism and civil wars. I know what does it mean - nationalism and religious (especially Islamic) extremism. I know how American, British, Turkish, Arabic "advisors" raise that evil, support it and unleash it against ordinary innocent people. And it was Putin, how saved Russia from this abyss. It was he, who crushed Chechen terrorism, who saved people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian nationalists and prevented ethnic cleansings. And it is he, who fight againt pure evil, raised in Ukraine. I believe in equal rights and equal safety for everyone. I believe in human rights and common prosperity. And I believe only strong , united Russia can protect ordinary people from the Western barbarians and inner barbarism. That's why I totally support Putin (and whoever else) in his sacred missions of gathering Russian lands and elimination of barbarism.

 

[Zavulon]

I feel bad for your family and you. Putin made a huge mistake invading Ukraine with the poor conditions you say the country is in.

No. Putin saved Russia. My family lost everything in Kazakhstan, because "freedom and democracy" you brought there.

 

[Robert W]

We don't care about most of the world, as well as "most of the world" knows nothing about Russia.


Of course he had right to invade, more of it - it is his duty.


Some of them just cowards, some of them are patriots of other states. Its ok. Most of them already returned in Russia for safety and comfort.


Are you really interested in the reasons of my personal involvement? Ok. My father was a Jew from Kherson and my mother was a Ukrainian from Mariupol. He was an engineer and she was a nurse. Decent people and members of community. I was born and raised in Aral's region of Kazakhstan, where they have been working. From the very beginning of my life there were two social groups in the town- "Russians" (Russian-speaking specialists, including educated Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians and others) and not that well educated local "Mambets" (something like Islamistic Hillbillies, mostly local herders). Ecological catastrope of Aral sea, combined with the collapse of Soviet Union and dramatical collapse of the social life raised the worst features of the human nature. Our family was lucky to escape. We found shelter in Moscow region. For a smart boy from hinterland, collapsing in the anarchy and freak show in Mad Max style, Moscow became everything. It is amazing city, best in the world, miraculous and welcoming. I saw what happened in Kazakhstan and other Middle Asia. I saw how peoples are falling in barbarism and civil wars. I know what does it mean - nationalism and religious (especially Islamic) extremism. I know how American, British, Turkish, Arabic "advisors" raise that evil, support it and unleash it against ordinary innocent people. And it was Putin, how saved Russia from this abyss. It was he, who crushed Chechen terrorism, who saved people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian nationalists and prevented ethnic cleansings. And it is he, who fight againt pure evil, raised in Ukraine. I believe in equal rights and equal safety for everyone. I believe in human rights and common prosperity. And I believe only strong , united Russia can protect ordinary people from the Western barbarians and inner barbarism. That's why I totally support Putin (and whoever else) in his sacred missions of gathering Russian lands and elimination of barbarism.

I now understand why you support Putin. But supposing you were living in Ukraine? They did not deserve Putin's war.

 

[Robert W]

No. Putin saved Russia. My family lost everything in Kazakhstan, because "freedom and democracy" you brought there.

If Putin did not invade Ukraine, which also harms Russia, he would have more support. I only see Kazakhstan as a poor country. Maybe you can explain more to this forum.

 

[Zavulon]

I now understand why you support Putin. But supposing you were living in Ukraine? They did not deserve Putin's war.

If my parents didn't leave Ukraine and, supposing I was raised in Kherson or Mariupol, never lived in a modern tolerant multiethnic bubble inside almost medieval Islamistic substrate, and never visited Moscow? Anyway. Ukrainian nazies wouldn't accept me because of my Jewish father, Jewish nazies wouldn't accepted me because of my Ukrainian mother. So, the main way for me was to become a typical south-eastern Vatnik. Likely I would join Donbass militia in 2014 or left Ukraine in that time.
Banderovci deserved everything and a little more, if you ask me... What about ranks and lines - most of them are ordinary Russian people, who are just stupid and/or unlucky.

 

[Zavulon]

If Putin did not invade Ukraine, which also harms Russia, he would have more support.

No. Russian leader suppose to protect and defend Russian people. If he were allowed further expansion of NATO or genocide of Russian people in Donbass - he would be already dead.

I only see Kazakhstan as a poor country. Maybe you can explain more to this forum.

Its too complicated. Kazakhstan dodged the bullet, comparing with other countries in the region, mostly because it saved close links with Russia, but some regions, especially in South are really bad.

 

[Robert W]

If my parents didn't leave Ukraine and, supposing I was raised in Kherson or Mariupol, never lived in a modern tolerant multiethnic bubble inside almost medieval Islamistic substrate, and never visited Moscow? Anyway. Ukrainian nazies wouldn't accept me because of my Jewish father, Jewish nazies wouldn't accepted me because of my Ukrainian mother. So, the main way for me was to become a typical south-eastern Vatnik. Likely I would join Donbass militia in 2014 or left Ukraine in that time.
Banderovci deserved everything and a little more, if you ask me... What about ranks and lines - most of them are ordinary Russian people, who are just stupid and/or unlucky.

I had a friend from Ukraine, Arkady Factorovich. Arkady explained this to me before he died. He was forced into the Russian Army where he became an officer and was a Major I believe.
He was an Architect in California when we met. It is too bad he is dead.

Obituary of Arkady FACTOROVICH​

July 25, 1938 – April 22, 2018Arkady Factorovich, beloved husband of Yelena Factorovich (nee Shatan) of Calgary, AB, passed away on Sunday, April 22, 2018 at the age of 79 years.Funeral Services will be held at the Jewish Memorial Chapel, () on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:00 p.m. with interment to follow at 37th Street Cemetery. Condolences may be forwarded through www.mcinnisandholloway.com.Arrangements in care of the CHEVRA KADISHA OF CALGARY, Telephone: 403-244-4717.

 

[Deadstick]

Russia was so piss poor under Stalin that when Gorbachev freed the Russians, they had the chance to prosper. And I can show you videos proving Russia prospered. Russia also freed Ukraine and now intends to capture that country. Putin should have helped Russia prosper.

He has Russian GDP is 4%

We don't care about most of the world, as well as "most of the world" knows nothing about Russia.


Of course he had right to invade, more of it - it is his duty.


Some of them just cowards, some of them are patriots of other states. Its ok. Most of them already returned in Russia for safety and comfort.


Are you really interested in the reasons of my personal involvement? Ok. My father was a Jew from Kherson and my mother was a Ukrainian from Mariupol. He was an engineer and she was a nurse. Decent people and members of community. I was born and raised in Aral's region of Kazakhstan, where they have been working. From the very beginning of my life there were two social groups in the town- "Russians" (Russian-speaking specialists, including educated Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians and others) and not that well educated local "Mambets" (something like Islamistic Hillbillies, mostly local herders). Ecological catastrope of Aral sea, combined with the collapse of Soviet Union and dramatical collapse of the social life raised the worst features of the human nature. Our family was lucky to escape. We found shelter in Moscow region. For a smart boy from hinterland, collapsing in the anarchy and freak show in Mad Max style, Moscow became everything. It is amazing city, best in the world, miraculous and welcoming. I saw what happened in Kazakhstan and other Middle Asia. I saw how peoples are falling in barbarism and civil wars. I know what does it mean - nationalism and religious (especially Islamic) extremism. I know how American, British, Turkish, Arabic "advisors" raise that evil, support it and unleash it against ordinary innocent people. And it was Putin, how saved Russia from this abyss. It was he, who crushed Chechen terrorism, who saved people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian nationalists and prevented ethnic cleansings. And it is he, who fight againt pure evil, raised in Ukraine. I believe in equal rights and equal safety for everyone. I believe in human rights and common prosperity. And I believe only strong , united Russia can protect ordinary people from the Western barbarians and inner barbarism. That's why I totally support Putin (and whoever else) in his sacred missions of gathering Russian lands and elimination of barbarism.

Fantastic just about sums it up, but the ignorant herd don't want to know facts.

 

[Zavulon]

I had a friend from Ukraine, Arkady Factorovich. Arkady explained this to me before he died. He was forced into the Russian Army where he became an officer and was a Major I believe.
He was an Architect in California when we met. It is too bad he is dead.

Obituary of Arkady FACTOROVICH​

July 25, 1938 – April 22, 2018Arkady Factorovich, beloved husband of Yelena Factorovich (nee Shatan) of Calgary, AB, passed away on Sunday, April 22, 2018 at the age of 79 years.Funeral Services will be held at the Jewish Memorial Chapel, () on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:00 p.m. with interment to follow at 37th Street Cemetery. Condolences may be forwarded through www.mcinnisandholloway.com.Arrangements in care of the CHEVRA KADISHA OF CALGARY, Telephone: 403-244-4717.

I'm sorry for your loss. Accept my deepest condolences. You said you met him in California? Are you a Californian? Would you like to see the fall of your state in the hands of ethnic gangs supported by Neo-Paganizm cults?

 

[Tyrion234]

You can find videos of pro Palestine American rallies, does that mean we are all pro Palestine? Dumbfuck

 

[Deadstick]

I had a friend from Ukraine, Arkady Factorovich. Arkady explained this to me before he died. He was forced into the Russian Army where he became an officer and was a Major I believe.
He was an Architect in California when we met. It is too bad he is dead.

Obituary of Arkady FACTOROVICH​

July 25, 1938 – April 22, 2018Arkady Factorovich, beloved husband of Yelena Factorovich (nee Shatan) of Calgary, AB, passed away on Sunday, April 22, 2018 at the age of 79 years.Funeral Services will be held at the Jewish Memorial Chapel, () on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 1:00 p.m. with interment to follow at 37th Street Cemetery. Condolences may be forwarded through www.mcinnisandholloway.com.Arrangements in care of the CHEVRA KADISHA OF CALGARY, Telephone: 403-244-4717.

Ukrainian forced into the Russian army? you must mean the Soviet army, it's called military service that all men had to do, the 90s in Russia were a nightmare after Gorgachev and then the piss head turned Corporate jackals loose on the Country and looted it, this year Russia's GDP grew more that 3% that's better than most Countries including mine the UK, Germany was in recession, and you were barking about Stalin, the guy has been dead for 70 years, move on.

 

[Robert W]

Ukrainian forced into the Russian army? you must mean the Soviet army, it's called military service that all men had to do, the 90s in Russia were a nightmare after Gorgachev and then the piss head turned Corporate jackals loose on the Country and looted it, this year Russia's GDP grew more that 3% that's better than most Countries including mine the UK, Germany was in recession, and you were barking about Stalin, the guy has been dead for 70 years, move on.

Yes. Arkady graduated from a university so he was to automatically be an officer in the Soviet Army. He said he spent 1 year as a ordinary solder then became an officer. The soviets were terrible for the union. And it took time for Russia and others to recover.

 

[Robert W]

You can find videos of pro Palestine American rallies, does that mean we are all pro Palestine? Dumbfuck

What got you angry? The video shows Russians leaving Russia to stay out of Putin's war.