Why The Left Loves Socialism

[Boss]

Socialism must start with a social Contract.

Can the fantastical, national and social, right wing, show even one nation-State that does not have a social Contract that defines Government?

If not, then Government starts with a social Contract as that form of social organization.

Only the national socialist right wing, is that cognitively dissonant.

You're going on ignore and I encourage others to put you on ignore as well. You have offered nothing to this conversation and you persist in repeating the same nonsense over and over, even after it has been addressed and refuted.

 

[danielpalos]

So have the posters come up with a correct definition of socialism as yet or do we follow custom and make up our own definition?

Look up social, then apply the ism. social-ism. You can find that in the dictionary as well.

Socialism starts with a social Contract.

Sorry... that's you ignorantly misusing a dictionary to conjure up your own idiotic definition of compound words. It's ironic that you chastised others for simply using a dictionary and not an encyclopedia and here you are doing exactly that, except on a more infantile scale.

Nearly all forms of government start with the social contract model, either tacitly or implicitly. With the exclusion of tyrannic regimes, pretty much any government form starts with social contract. As the name implies, a contract can have varying terms and conditions. A marriage contract and a baseball contract aren't the same thing. A cell phone contract and a recording contract are nothing alike whatsoever. So you're relying on a really stupid argument which seems to be par for the course with you.

The concept of social contract is simply talking about the degree to which society determines a portion of it's liberty is ceded to a government in order to protect it's remaining liberty. The degrees vary greatly depending on the system of government. Not all governments are alike except in your stupid little universe. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever come across trying to discuss something so over your head.

For the sake of communication, HERE is the dictionary definition we all must adhere to in order to have a rational discussion:

Noun
socialism ‎(usually uncountable, plural socialisms)

1. (Marxism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism in Marxist theory in which the state has control of the means of production.
2. Any of several later political philosophies such democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones.
   • 1978, Daniel Bell, The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism, Basic Books, page xii:
     For me, socialism is not statism, or the collective ownership of the means of production. It is a judgment on the priorities of economic policy.. the community takes precedence over the individual in legitimate economic policy. The first lien on the resources of a society therefore should be to establish that "social minimum" which would allow individuals to lead a life of self-respect, to be members of the community.

Derived terms

• champagne socialism
• Christian socialism
• democratic socialism
• Fabian socialism (Fabianism)
• evolutionary socialism
• guild socialism
• international socialism
• lemon socialism
• market socialism
• National Socialism
• penthouse socialism
• real socialism
• religious socialism
• revolutionary socialism
• secular socialism
• silver-spoon socialism
• utopian socialism

Related terms

• social
• social democrat
• social democracy
• socialist
• socialistic
• socialistically

Projecting much. I know how to use words; I use encyclopedias when I want more "encyclopedic" knowledge; unlike the national socialist right wing, who are too lazy.

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism must start with a social Contract.

Can the fantastical, national and social, right wing, show even one nation-State that does not have a social Contract that defines Government?

If not, then Government starts with a social Contract as that form of social organization.

Only the national socialist right wing, is that cognitively dissonant.

You're going on ignore and I encourage others to put you on ignore as well. You have offered nothing to this conversation and you persist in repeating the same nonsense over and over, even after it has been addressed and refuted.

can win an argument and bail; how "brave" of US national socialist, right wingers.

 

[NCC1701]

Socialism must start with a social Contract.

Can the fantastical, national and social, right wing, show even one nation-State that does not have a social Contract that defines Government?

If not, then Government starts with a social Contract as that form of social organization.

Only the national socialist right wing, is that cognitively dissonant.

I almost feel sorry for a loser like you who makes up his own definitions and concepts, it is so desperate

i am on the left; i feel sorrier for you because You have nothing but fallacy instead of sublime Truth (value) for argumentation.

Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Faithfulness and truth are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind. Marcus Tullius Cicero
Read more at: Marcus Tullius Cicero Quotes

oh boy, truth, with a capital T, and only you have it!

let me guess, you don't wear pants, right?

 

[NCC1701]

self serving lie, anything that doesn't work is the republicans fault, gotta love that old time liberal religion

I simply do not have enough time in my life to go through all the democrats lies, and what does it matter anyway, you are not honest enough to care as you are a liberal zealot.

Harry Reid lied about Mitt Romney’s taxes. He’s still not sorry.

One of the strangest incidents of the 2012 presidential campaign was when then-Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid accused then-Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney of having not paid any taxes over the past decade. That Reid made that allegation from the floor of the Senate made it even odder.

The problem with Reid's allegation? It's just not true. We know that, at least in 2011 and 2010, Romney did pay taxes. How do we know that? Because Romney released his tax returns for those years. In 2011, Romney paid $1.9 million in taxes; in 2010, he paid slightly more than $3 million in taxes.

Our own Fact Checker gave Reid Four Pinocchios for his "no taxes" claim. PolitiFact gave the claim a "Pants on Fire" rating.

You're such a Christian. Why do white shitheads like you exist. You guys have RUINED this country with your backwater stupidity.

another lie, I am an atheist, as if I needed any more evidence the left lies

You lie more than I do, right winger.

list my lies in this thread, and show they are lies, asshole

any fallacy is a lie. your projection of fallacies, on my part, is a lie.

you are so disconnected from anything like formal logic that discussion is pointless, there must be some sort of intellectual integrity in order for meaningful exchange. You have no integrity, you amoeba around in your stupid sandbox anytime someone pins you down on specifics

 

[NCC1701]

So have the posters come up with a correct definition of socialism as yet or do we follow custom and make up our own definition?

Look up social, then apply the ism. social-ism. You can find that in the dictionary as well.

Socialism starts with a social Contract.

Sorry... that's you ignorantly misusing a dictionary to conjure up your own idiotic definition of compound words. It's ironic that you chastised others for simply using a dictionary and not an encyclopedia and here you are doing exactly that, except on a more infantile scale.

Nearly all forms of government start with the social contract model, either tacitly or implicitly. With the exclusion of tyrannic regimes, pretty much any government form starts with social contract. As the name implies, a contract can have varying terms and conditions. A marriage contract and a baseball contract aren't the same thing. A cell phone contract and a recording contract are nothing alike whatsoever. So you're relying on a really stupid argument which seems to be par for the course with you.

The concept of social contract is simply talking about the degree to which society determines a portion of it's liberty is ceded to a government in order to protect it's remaining liberty. The degrees vary greatly depending on the system of government. Not all governments are alike except in your stupid little universe. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever come across trying to discuss something so over your head.

For the sake of communication, HERE is the dictionary definition we all must adhere to in order to have a rational discussion:

Noun
socialism ‎(usually uncountable, plural socialisms)

1. (Marxism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism in Marxist theory in which the state has control of the means of production.
2. Any of several later political philosophies such democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones.
   • 1978, Daniel Bell, The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism, Basic Books, page xii:
     For me, socialism is not statism, or the collective ownership of the means of production. It is a judgment on the priorities of economic policy.. the community takes precedence over the individual in legitimate economic policy. The first lien on the resources of a society therefore should be to establish that "social minimum" which would allow individuals to lead a life of self-respect, to be members of the community.

Derived terms

• champagne socialism
• Christian socialism
• democratic socialism
• Fabian socialism (Fabianism)
• evolutionary socialism
• guild socialism
• international socialism
• lemon socialism
• market socialism
• National Socialism
• penthouse socialism
• real socialism
• religious socialism
• revolutionary socialism
• secular socialism
• silver-spoon socialism
• utopian socialism

Related terms

• social
• social democrat
• social democracy
• socialist
• socialistic
• socialistically

Projecting much. I know how to use words; I use encyclopedias when I want more "encyclopedic" knowledge; unlike the national socialist right wing, who are too lazy.

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism must start with a social Contract.

Can the fantastical, national and social, right wing, show even one nation-State that does not have a social Contract that defines Government?

If not, then Government starts with a social Contract as that form of social organization.

Only the national socialist right wing, is that cognitively dissonant.

I almost feel sorry for a loser like you who makes up his own definitions and concepts, it is so desperate

i am on the left; i feel sorrier for you because You have nothing but fallacy instead of sublime Truth (value) for argumentation.

Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Faithfulness and truth are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind. Marcus Tullius Cicero
Read more at: Marcus Tullius Cicero Quotes

oh boy, truth, with a capital T, and only you have it!

let me guess, you don't wear pants, right?

Did you know, that the Romans conquered most of the known world, wearing minidresses and calling them tunics?

 

[danielpalos]

You're such a Christian. Why do white shitheads like you exist. You guys have RUINED this country with your backwater stupidity.

another lie, I am an atheist, as if I needed any more evidence the left lies

You lie more than I do, right winger.

list my lies in this thread, and show they are lies, asshole

any fallacy is a lie. your projection of fallacies, on my part, is a lie.

you are so disconnected from anything like formal logic that discussion is pointless, there must be some sort of intellectual integrity in order for meaningful exchange. You have no integrity, you amoeba around in your stupid sandbox anytime someone pins you down on specifics

nothing but diversion and projection? i don't put people on ignore. i get argumentative results; i don't make argumentative excuses.

 

[danielpalos]

Look up social, then apply the ism. social-ism. You can find that in the dictionary as well.

Socialism starts with a social Contract.

Sorry... that's you ignorantly misusing a dictionary to conjure up your own idiotic definition of compound words. It's ironic that you chastised others for simply using a dictionary and not an encyclopedia and here you are doing exactly that, except on a more infantile scale.

Nearly all forms of government start with the social contract model, either tacitly or implicitly. With the exclusion of tyrannic regimes, pretty much any government form starts with social contract. As the name implies, a contract can have varying terms and conditions. A marriage contract and a baseball contract aren't the same thing. A cell phone contract and a recording contract are nothing alike whatsoever. So you're relying on a really stupid argument which seems to be par for the course with you.

The concept of social contract is simply talking about the degree to which society determines a portion of it's liberty is ceded to a government in order to protect it's remaining liberty. The degrees vary greatly depending on the system of government. Not all governments are alike except in your stupid little universe. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever come across trying to discuss something so over your head.

For the sake of communication, HERE is the dictionary definition we all must adhere to in order to have a rational discussion:

Noun
socialism ‎(usually uncountable, plural socialisms)

1. (Marxism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism in Marxist theory in which the state has control of the means of production.
2. Any of several later political philosophies such democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones.
   • 1978, Daniel Bell, The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism, Basic Books, page xii:
     For me, socialism is not statism, or the collective ownership of the means of production. It is a judgment on the priorities of economic policy.. the community takes precedence over the individual in legitimate economic policy. The first lien on the resources of a society therefore should be to establish that "social minimum" which would allow individuals to lead a life of self-respect, to be members of the community.

Derived terms

• champagne socialism
• Christian socialism
• democratic socialism
• Fabian socialism (Fabianism)
• evolutionary socialism
• guild socialism
• international socialism
• lemon socialism
• market socialism
• National Socialism
• penthouse socialism
• real socialism
• religious socialism
• revolutionary socialism
• secular socialism
• silver-spoon socialism
• utopian socialism

Related terms

• social
• social democrat
• social democracy
• socialist
• socialistic
• socialistically

Projecting much. I know how to use words; I use encyclopedias when I want more "encyclopedic" knowledge; unlike the national socialist right wing, who are too lazy.

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

 

[NCC1701]

Sorry... that's you ignorantly misusing a dictionary to conjure up your own idiotic definition of compound words. It's ironic that you chastised others for simply using a dictionary and not an encyclopedia and here you are doing exactly that, except on a more infantile scale.

Nearly all forms of government start with the social contract model, either tacitly or implicitly. With the exclusion of tyrannic regimes, pretty much any government form starts with social contract. As the name implies, a contract can have varying terms and conditions. A marriage contract and a baseball contract aren't the same thing. A cell phone contract and a recording contract are nothing alike whatsoever. So you're relying on a really stupid argument which seems to be par for the course with you.

The concept of social contract is simply talking about the degree to which society determines a portion of it's liberty is ceded to a government in order to protect it's remaining liberty. The degrees vary greatly depending on the system of government. Not all governments are alike except in your stupid little universe. You're one of the dumbest people I've ever come across trying to discuss something so over your head.

For the sake of communication, HERE is the dictionary definition we all must adhere to in order to have a rational discussion:

Noun
socialism ‎(usually uncountable, plural socialisms)

1. (Marxism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism in Marxist theory in which the state has control of the means of production.
2. Any of several later political philosophies such democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones.
   • 1978, Daniel Bell, The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism, Basic Books, page xii:
     For me, socialism is not statism, or the collective ownership of the means of production. It is a judgment on the priorities of economic policy.. the community takes precedence over the individual in legitimate economic policy. The first lien on the resources of a society therefore should be to establish that "social minimum" which would allow individuals to lead a life of self-respect, to be members of the community.

Derived terms

• champagne socialism
• Christian socialism
• democratic socialism
• Fabian socialism (Fabianism)
• evolutionary socialism
• guild socialism
• international socialism
• lemon socialism
• market socialism
• National Socialism
• penthouse socialism
• real socialism
• religious socialism
• revolutionary socialism
• secular socialism
• silver-spoon socialism
• utopian socialism

Related terms

• social
• social democrat
• social democracy
• socialist
• socialistic
• socialistically

Projecting much. I know how to use words; I use encyclopedias when I want more "encyclopedic" knowledge; unlike the national socialist right wing, who are too lazy.

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

A guy who makes up his own definitions is accusing others special pleading, now that is just ******* rich

 

[NCC1701]

Socialism must start with a social Contract.

Can the fantastical, national and social, right wing, show even one nation-State that does not have a social Contract that defines Government?

If not, then Government starts with a social Contract as that form of social organization.

Only the national socialist right wing, is that cognitively dissonant.

I almost feel sorry for a loser like you who makes up his own definitions and concepts, it is so desperate

i am on the left; i feel sorrier for you because You have nothing but fallacy instead of sublime Truth (value) for argumentation.

Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Faithfulness and truth are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind. Marcus Tullius Cicero
Read more at: Marcus Tullius Cicero Quotes

oh boy, truth, with a capital T, and only you have it!

let me guess, you don't wear pants, right?

Did you know, that the Romans conquered most of the known world, wearing minidresses and calling them tunics?

LOL, and hey it's easier to piss and you'll save money on belts

the possibilities are exciting, line too long for the can? just drop your log wherever you stand

 

[danielpalos]

Projecting much. I know how to use words; I use encyclopedias when I want more "encyclopedic" knowledge; unlike the national socialist right wing, who are too lazy.

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

A guy who makes up his own definitions is accusing others special pleading, now that is just ******* rich

Your dictionary definitions were invented for the national socialist right wing, due to their reading comprehension issues. why not take a political science class?

 

[regent]

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

A guy who makes up his own definitions is accusing others special pleading, now that is just ******* rich

Your dictionary definitions were invented for the national socialist right wing, due to their reading comprehension issues. why not take a political science class?

Easier still, is to go to a college book store and pick up a couple of small booklets on political ideologies. The problem with the booklets is that the subject matter can be covered rather quickly so more information is added to give them a text appearance.

 

[NCC1701]

No you don't. You won't even use the dictionary properly. You're here trying to pervert the meaning of "Socialism" by parsing it into a prefix and suffix and apply some juvenile context... like a ******* retard. Furthermore, you're just openly trolling the thread and grandstanding. The mods ought to ban people like you.

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

A guy who makes up his own definitions is accusing others special pleading, now that is just ******* rich

Your dictionary definitions were invented for the national socialist right wing, due to their reading comprehension issues. why not take a political science class?

ah yes of course, you changed the definition of special pleading as well, I should have seen that one coming

I don't need a class, your ideas are far too limited for me, so I have made up a new set of definitions that renders yours into little liberals coloring book slogans. Sorry about destroying your religion, you'll have to change the "T" to lowercase now

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, I do. You merely need look at the origin of the definitions to know, they are just, "political jargon" invented for the national socialist right wing; any Thing else, would be too complicated.

AKA, you just make shit up

you are simply, special pleading with political jargon, from a dictionary.

i have a good argument. i don't need to put anyone on ignore.

A guy who makes up his own definitions is accusing others special pleading, now that is just ******* rich

Your dictionary definitions were invented for the national socialist right wing, due to their reading comprehension issues. why not take a political science class?

ah yes of course, you changed the definition of special pleading as well, I should have seen that one coming

I don't need a class, your ideas are far too limited for me, so I have made up a new set of definitions that renders yours into little liberals coloring book slogans. Sorry about destroying your religion, you'll have to change the "T" to lowercase now

we are a first world economy, we were a third world economy until FDR's socialism bailed out capitalism, like usual.

 

[francoHFW]

So if the military is socialistic, does that mean it is communistic also?

no; they still have respect for private property, mostly.

So do socialists- you're taking about COMMUNISM. Socialism is always democratic. Start there.

 

[Boss]

So if the military is socialistic, does that mean it is communistic also?

no; they still have respect for private property, mostly.

So do socialists- you're taking about COMMUNISM. Socialism is always democratic. Start there.

Why doesn't anyone want to discuss the thread topic?

I guess my point was well made since no one wants to present a counter argument?

 

[francoHFW]

So if the military is socialistic, does that mean it is communistic also?

no; they still have respect for private property, mostly.

So do socialists- you're taking about COMMUNISM. Socialism is always democratic. Start there.

Why doesn't anyone want to discuss the thread topic?

I guess my point was well made since no one wants to present a counter argument?

What is your argument? That RWers don't know what socialism is?

 

[Boss]

What is your argument? That RWers don't know what socialism is?

No, I assume anyone capable of reading a basic dictionary knows what Socialism is. My question was: Why does the left love Socialism?

I made the argument in the OP that I believe it is due to a lack of confidence in their ability to compete with others. It's interesting, several lefties have transmuted that statement into my claiming they are "afraid of" something, which I never said. I lack confidence in my ability to do some things well but I am seldom afraid to try. So I think this is a Freudian slip... perhaps fear has a lot to do with their lack of confidence?

 

[danielpalos]

So if the military is socialistic, does that mean it is communistic also?

no; they still have respect for private property, mostly.

So do socialists- you're taking about COMMUNISM. Socialism is always democratic. Start there.

communism is not about rights in private property; socialism may be.