Zone1 Why the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are heretical

[GLASNOST]

The catholic church is a Roman religion. Rome made it. Not Jesus.

not true. Study the Bible, study other history

study what you profess to know about so you can really know about it

Good subject. I guess the question is ..... is the Catholic Church a creation of Rome or is it just that Catholicism was applied differently in Rome than in other places. Does "New York pizza" mean that pizza was created in New York or that pizza is made differently in New York as opposed to Naples?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. ...

Are you "saved"? ... If I see it the right way then the opposite of "to be heretics" (= "to be heterodox") means "to be orthodox".

"ortho" means "straight, upright, correct"
"hetero" means "different, diverse"

"dox" comes from the Latin word "docere" and means "teaching". Words in this context are doctor, doctrine, document ...

If I take the word "doctor" then you will see what's the problem. A normal doctor not teaches medicine to other people. He hopes that he got the right instructions on his own and tries to find what's able to help not to become sick in a concrete situation in the best of all possible ways which he currently knows.

And sometimes also help methods which are not "standard medicine" - but to be honest: Under the not standardized medicine is also a lot of unbelievable dangerous bullshit. "Heal cancer with warm air" for example.

And for sure would it be better for any doctor to know the standards - even when a situation might come when one of this standards may not help in a concrete situation - specially in case of a concrete sick person - and he has to find a better way for this concrete person - with the help of god. For example: What is the point of giving Ibuprofen to someone who is allergic to it? Before someone dies of an allergic shock, it might be better to just endure a mild headache.

By the way. Do you have a biblical source for your "biblical" idea here - directly written in the standardized sum of books which is called "the Bible"? The bible was componed once from the church on reason to avoid confusion. My heterodox – or orthodox? – opinion on this: if the Bible causes too much confusion, perhaps we should abolish it again. After all, we managed without the Bible for over three hundred years.

 

[TNHarley]

not true. Study the Bible, study other history

study what you profess to know about so you can really know about it

I have. Thats how I came to my conclusion.

 

[TNHarley]

is the Catholic Church a creation of Rome

Yes.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes.

No.

 

[TNHarley]

No.

Yes. They set the laws, rules, Canon and determined what you would worship. They put in the ible what they liked, and discarded what they didnt.
It is romes church. Not jesus.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes. They set the laws, rules, Canon and determined what you would worship. They put in the ible what they liked, and discarded what they didnt.
It is romes church. Not jesus.

What laws? Where did they get the Canon? Where did they get what was put into the Bible? What did they discard? Rome got nothing on their own. They got it from someone/some place else. Go to the primary source.

 

[TNHarley]

What laws? Where did they get the Canon? Where did they get what was put into the Bible? What did they discard? Rome got nothing on their own. They got it from someone/some place else. Go to the primary source.

Enjoy your roman religion.

 

[Zebra]

The catholic church is a Roman religion. Rome made it. Not Jesus.

then Protestantism is a German Religion. Martin Luther made it.

 

[TNHarley]

then Protestantism is a German Religion. Martin Luther made it.

No, he just finished it. The reformation started centuries before luther. The RCC just always murdered them. You know, for god.

 

[Meriweather]

Enjoy your roman religion.

I notice you could not answer my questions about primary sources. You couldn't even name the laws Romans added. No worries as people who claim Catholic Church came from Paul run into the same problem when asked to give Paul's primary source. Do you truly have information on Rome, or are you just trolling waiting for someone to swallow the bait? If it's trolling, I pass. If you have something to discuss, then let's talk.

 

[TNHarley]

I notice you could not answer my questions about primary sources. You couldn't even name the laws Romans added. No worries as people who claim Catholic Church came from Paul run into the same problem when asked to give Paul's primary source. Do you truly have information on Rome, or are you just trolling waiting for someone to swallow the bait? If it's trolling, I pass. If you have something to discuss, then let's talk.

We discussed this subject the other day. Im not doing it again with you.
I will do you the favor of naming a law that is still practiced today. Celibacy. Pure Roman invention.
Have a lovely day, meri.

 

[Meriweather]

We discussed this subject the other day. Im not doing it again with you.
I will do you the favor of naming a law that is still practiced today. Celibacy. Pure Roman invention.
Have a lovely day, meri.

Actually, the requirement for celibacy didn't come until seven centuries after the fall of Rome. Biblically, both Jesus and Paul mention it--Paul saying those who could handle it should go for it, but those who couldn't should be married. Jesus noted that some became celibate for the Kingdom. Are you aware the Romans generally penalized celibacy?

By the way, I followed the discussion...there was nothing about primary sources. As you again brought it up in this thread (Post #13) primary sources are worth discussing.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... is the Catholic Church a creation of Rome .....

Yes.

I require much more than that before I believe you.

 

[TNHarley]

Actually, the requirement for celibacy didn't come until seven centuries after the fall of Rome. Biblically, both Jesus and Paul mention it--Paul saying those who could handle it should go for it, but those who couldn't should be married. Jesus noted that some became celibate for the Kingdom. Are you aware the Romans generally penalized celibacy?

By the way, I followed the discussion...there was nothing about primary sources. As you again brought it up in this thread (Post #13) primary sources are worth discussing.

No, it started in 300 AD. Council of Elvira.

 

[TNHarley]

I require much more than that before I believe you.

I mean, you can read what the Romans did.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... is the Catholic Church a creation of Rome ?

Yes.

I require much more than that before I believe you.

I mean, you can read what the Romans did.

I could if I were interested enough. But you can still convince me if you motivate your response in an intelligent manner. The truth is that I don't really care very much but I think it is an interesting point and if you can sell it, I'll buy it.

 

[Meriweather]

No, it started in 300 AD. Council of Elvira.

Hopefully you know that the Council of Elvira was a local council held in Spain (not Rome) and only applied to the Church clergy in that area. It said that deacons, priests, and bishops in that area were not to have conjugal relations with their wives and not have children. Some scholars note that this may have also been the practice in some other areas of the church, based on what Jesus and Paul had said about celibacy. In any case, it wasn't until the twelfth century that a Church council made celibacy a practice for all Catholic clergy.

 

[TNHarley]

it was a roman province at the time.
That councils canons laid the groundwork for many more canons, and many more areas picked up their canons. It was the most influential element for the early church in Spain.

 

[MisterBeale]

No.