Why support Israel?

[Coyote]

The Talmud is not a word of God.

If Jews weren't Atheists, what they consider "the oral Torah" would be considered the word of God.

I suspect you know as little about Jews as you do about muslims.

 

[Shusha]

I've read the Talmud. It's a book of hate more so than a book about ethnicity.

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

 

[BulletProof]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

 

[Lipush]

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

The Poles are offended now, is that it?

Screw that. My family was wiped out, and it gives me the right to blame whoever the **** took place in it, even if they were not the ones who orchestrated it.

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Why not also blame Jews for Group 13, Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrat. Jewish Sonderkommandos, and Jewish Kapos?

Millions of Poles also died in WW2, why is this neglected?

You Jews are the most selfish pricks I've ever seen.

The Poles did not die because they were Poles.

Jews died because they were Jews.

The Judenrat were forced to become what they became because of the Nazi regime.

The Jews fairly gained their right to be selfish, as the world's nations don't care if they live or die.

 

[Lipush]

The Talmud is not a word of God.

If Jews weren't Atheists, what they consider "the oral Torah" would be considered the word of God.

The Talmud was written by Rabbis called 'Amoraim'.

Hence it wss never meant to be the word of God. Not even the oral word.

The oral word of God was given to Moses on mt. Sinai.

Try and not to talk about things you have no idea about.

 

[Lipush]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

We very well could.

 

[Shusha]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

Its not especially difficult. So, clearly you spoke untruth when you said that you had read the Talmud. You have read only those portions of the Talmud frequently used by people filled with irrational toxic hate to inject that irrational toxic hate into others. And clearly it worked on you.

The complete set with Hebrew/Aramaic original text, English translation and commentary is 73 volumes, more than 6000 pages and has a shipping weight of 342 lbs. It is an extensive coding of Jewish law, commentary, instruction and folklore, legends, ethical writings and notes on observance. Its an astounding collection of writings spanning hundreds of years.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

 

[José]

Originally posted by rylah
Again are You concerned with Greeks/French/Armenians/Russians in Your country or just the Jews?

Did Greeks, French, Armenians and Russians spend most of the 20th century trying to destroy America's national identity as a white, western country?

American Jews did.

Originally posted by RoccoR
I am not sure what you are implying here. BUT! No American, Jewish or otherwise, owes there fidelity and allegiance to any other country than the US; not even those with dual citizenship.

An American, Jewish or otherwise, owes their allegiance to the United States Constitution.

Say this to this guy, Emanuel Celler, the political representative of Jew York City, who spent his entire adult life in Washington DC, trying to pass laws to flood America with non white immigration and finally succeeded in 1965.

EMANUEL CELLER​

Also in 1965, he proposed and steered to passage the Hart-Celler Act, which eliminated national origins as a consideration for immigration. This was the culminating moment in Celler's 41-year fight to overcome restriction on immigration to the United States based on national origin.

Emanuel Celler - Wikipedia

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

Ok so get it it that you irrationally hate an entire religious group...

Ever sat down to lunch with a Jew and chatted...like normal people do?

Supporting Israel is complicated and the OP is open ended. You can condemn or support state actions but the Jewish people, like any other, are diverse individuals. To hate them as a group based on religion or eth nic heritage is to demonize and thst leads to dehumanizing.

Well, I don't know how Jews can expect to be respected, after they've killed thousands of Poles following WW2, push dumb Polak jokes slander, push Poland did the Holocaust lies, and in general push up against Conservative, and Catholic values that most Poles hold dear.

No, I wouldn't say I hate all Jews, just a lot of them.

I've never even seen a Jew show any gratitude towards Poland.

So, why should I show them any gratitude?

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

The Poles are offended now, is that it?

Screw that. My family was wiped out, and it gives me the right to blame whoever the **** took place in it, even if they were not the ones who orchestrated it.

'
Why not also blame Jews for Group 13, Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrat. Jewish Sonderkommandos, and Jewish Kapos?

Millions of Poles also died in WW2, why is this neglected?

You Jews are the most selfish pricks I've ever seen.

The Poles did not die because they were Poles.

Jews died because they were Jews.

The Judenrat were forced to become what they became because of the Nazi regime.

The Jews fairly gained their right to be selfish, as the world's nations don't care if they live or die.

Generalplan Ost shows Nazis had wicked plans for Slavs, including Poles.
Poles were also condemned by Nazis as racial Untermensch.


But, leave it to you a Jew, to think you're the star light victim.

 

[Eloy]

People born in Russia are Russians, not Portuguese.

Delusional and dead wrong. Classic Xenophobia.
Russia is a multi-national country, with 21 national-republics and more than 185 recognized ethnicities.
"Hebrews" - is the official word they use referring to Jews.

The day I take my definition of a nation from the Russians or the Israelis is the day I stop thinking.

In order to think You need facts, a thing You try really hard to be offended by.
Xenophobia, which You portray pretty well, was one of the main reasons Jews had to build Israel.

Is it a problem that Jews identify with their tribe/nation, and be citizens of countries other than Israel? How about Greeks or Armenians in Your country, is their identity a threat as well?

You will not persuade anyone to your view if you call them names.
Unlike Zionists, I am not xenophobic.
But the topic is not about me; it is about Israel and why the Americans should support Israel.
The question is unclear because some people will interpret 'Israel' as the justification for a Jewish state in the Middle East to the massacres of Palestinian children and other civilians in Gaza and all the Israeli policies in between.

You maintain that all Jews, for example Jews living in San Carlos, California, identify more with Israel than the United States. What concerns me is that you might be right.

Don't You know that being offended" is NOT a valid argument? Xenophobia was indeed one of the main reasons Jews had to rebuild Israel. It's a simple fact, don't get offended.

Listen You try to equate Israel solely to its' wars.
Modern Zionism, or support for Israel, started long before that, at the time Palestinian Jews were massacred by their Arab neighbors under the Ottoman rule.

I don't know what Your problem with different ethnicities/people/nationalities in Your country, but their presence doesn't automatically mean they're spies of another nation state. This is just paranoia.


Again are You concerned with Greeks/French/Armenians/Russians in Your country or just the Jews?

As far as I know, no Jewish citizens of my country consider themselves to be Israelis.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I've read the Talmud. It's a book of hate more so than a book about ethnicity.

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.[/QUOT
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I've read the Talmud. It's a book of hate more so than a book about ethnicity.

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

So, they are putting forward portions of the Talmud?

 

[Roudy]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

Well, you aren't a Christian then, thanks for the clarification.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

Well, you aren't a Christian then, thanks for the clarification.

I'm agnostic, although I was raised Catholic.

 

[rylah]

Delusional and dead wrong. Classic Xenophobia.
Russia is a multi-national country, with 21 national-republics and more than 185 recognized ethnicities.
"Hebrews" - is the official word they use referring to Jews.

The day I take my definition of a nation from the Russians or the Israelis is the day I stop thinking.

In order to think You need facts, a thing You try really hard to be offended by.
Xenophobia, which You portray pretty well, was one of the main reasons Jews had to build Israel.

Is it a problem that Jews identify with their tribe/nation, and be citizens of countries other than Israel? How about Greeks or Armenians in Your country, is their identity a threat as well?

You will not persuade anyone to your view if you call them names.
Unlike Zionists, I am not xenophobic.
But the topic is not about me; it is about Israel and why the Americans should support Israel.
The question is unclear because some people will interpret 'Israel' as the justification for a Jewish state in the Middle East to the massacres of Palestinian children and other civilians in Gaza and all the Israeli policies in between.

You maintain that all Jews, for example Jews living in San Carlos, California, identify more with Israel than the United States. What concerns me is that you might be right.

Don't You know that being offended" is NOT a valid argument? Xenophobia was indeed one of the main reasons Jews had to rebuild Israel. It's a simple fact, don't get offended.

Listen You try to equate Israel solely to its' wars.
Modern Zionism, or support for Israel, started long before that, at the time Palestinian Jews were massacred by their Arab neighbors under the Ottoman rule.

I don't know what Your problem with different ethnicities/people/nationalities in Your country, but their presence doesn't automatically mean they're spies of another nation state. This is just paranoia.


Again are You concerned with Greeks/French/Armenians/Russians in Your country or just the Jews?

As far as I know, no Jewish citizens of my country consider themselves to be Israelis.

It's possible, but irrelevant.
I think Your confusion comes from an idea that governments=nations/peoples.That one cannot exist without the other, or that by change of a govt. nations are erased.

Armenians can have Greek citizenship. They can support the Armenian govt. or not...as any people.

Have You heard Jews say "Am Israel Chai"? It means "The nation of Israel lives!"
Jews can have Israeli citizenship or not. They can support the Israeli govt, or not...as any people.

Agree?

 

[Shusha]

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

So, let me get this straight. You rank people based on their ethnic, national and/or religious origin?

And you don't find that kinda repugnant?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

So, let me get this straight. You rank people based on their ethnic, national and/or religious origin?

And you don't find that kinda repugnant?

Jews are the most anti-Polish, and anti-Right wing group there is.

They are against what I am, so be it.

 

[Shusha]

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

I'm pretty sure the user badmouthed a specific Christian for his specific hate. But since I don't know exactly which post you mean, I can't say for certain.

But its actually a good question. There are problematic ideologies in most religions. I find Christianity and Islam to be more problematic than most -- distinctly because of their unique "my way or the highway" theology. Would I go so far as to call those ideologies "hate"? Nope, I wouldn't. But they do lend themselves to irrational hate, imo.

 

[Shusha]

So, they are putting forward portions of the Talmud?

They are deliberately misreading, misunderstanding, misrepresenting Talmud and Jewish thought in order to shore up, support and spread toxic and irrational hatred of Jews.