Why support Israel?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

RE: Why support Israel?
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I think we jumped the tracks here. Of course there has been historical events of decimation focused on one or another people. In the time since the beginning of recorded history, there has only been about 400 year when the world was totally at peace. Hell, even the US has been fighting one conflict or another nearly 93% of its political existence.

Why we support Israel is not so much about territory, politics or religion ⇔ as it is about the preservation and restoration of a culture and a people (Jewish Emancipation). Yes, many people say that the conflict was initiated over the territory. But that is like saying WWII start in 1939; when actually the conditions for war were set in the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. And with the emergence of the Age of Enlightenment in Europe (the idea that "reason" should trump "faith"), the idea of Jewish Emancipation followed closely behind on its heels.
Things like "reason" are hard to grasp. But faith (the bibles and scriptures) and land (the territories) were tangible; and lands could lead to power, wealth and influence.

Most Respectfully,
R

The issue is to make such a Jewish homeland, people were displaced from lands they lived on for thousands of years.

lol nonsense. The faux 'Palestinians' squatting in Gaza and the West Bank haven't been there 'thousands of years'; the vast majority of them migrated there when the Ottomans and British began economic development of the area in the last 3 decades of the 19th century. they are also not 'stateless', except by their own actions, they are Syrians and Egyptians and Iraqis for the most part. 'Palestinians' is a fiction invented by Arafat and others in the 1960's. Nobody was 'displaced' by Jews, that's nonsense. If you want to discuss Jews Behaving Badly, at least try to cite real history, instead of stupid propaganda; there is plenty in human history to discuss about people behaving badly, and Jews as a group aren't exceptional in that regard, but then you have the problem of trying to convince sane people they behaved more badly than their neighbors did, a blatantly impossible position to defend.

Source for anything your retarded self says?

In the next comment you prove you're not even a Human, but rather a retarded degenerate.

Nothing you say should be taken seriously, because you aren't Human.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Denmark had just 10,000 or so Jews, Poland had about 3,500,000 Jews or so.

I'm so sorry that the proportionate difference doesn't register.

Of course it was much easier to send 10,000 Jews to Sweden, by Denmark, than for Poland to send 3,500,000 Jews to Sweden.

Especially considering that the invasion of Poland gave them less time to prepare.

Here's the thing, to try to wrench this back to topic -- one of the reasons to support Israel is that Israel's intent is to save ALL of the Jews. Not just her Jews, but all of the Jews worldwide. Because they are STILL being persecuted by people like you. They are still being executed because.....Joooooos. And the Jewish people need a safe place to retreat to, when persecutions become inevitable.

I'd love to see a source showing that Jews are any safer in Israel.

 

[Shusha]

I'd love to see a source showing that Jews are any safer in Israel.

Not the point. The point is that the Jewish people need a place where their own safety and security is prioritized.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

True. Most of eastern Europe was as bad or worse than Nazis, but of course they all sweep their dirty launder under the Hitler meme, as if they had nothing to do with it; same for most of Europe, actually.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

that's certainly the way the U.S. State Dept. and most of the pols work it.

Haha, another good joke.

No, no one in Eastern Europe was as bad as the Nazis, well Soviets were but not towards Jews, but rather by a NKVD which was predominantly Jewish.

The fact remains that while there were some Nazi collaborators all over Europe, this also includes Jews, and always included Germans as the biggest factors.

the very reason Hitler chose Poland for those camps was because they knew few Poles would complain or even care in the first place,

Why don't you mention the truth that NOT Jews, but rather Poles were the first victims of · Auschwitz.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd love to see a source showing that Jews are any safer in Israel.

Not the point. The point is that the Jewish people need a place where their own safety and security is prioritized.

Jews are good at pissing people off, let them piss off their Muslim neighbors, until they go extinct.
Not my call, not like they ever cared about my Polish people.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

True. Most of eastern Europe was as bad or worse than Nazis, but of course they all sweep their dirty launder under the Hitler meme, as if they had nothing to do with it; same for most of Europe, actually.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

that's certainly the way the U.S. State Dept. and most of the pols work it.

Haha, another good joke.

No, no one in Eastern Europe was as bad as the Nazis, well Soviets were but not towards Jews, but rather by a NKVD which was predominantly Jewish.

The fact remains that while there were some Nazi collaborators all over Europe, this also includes Jews, and always included Germans as the biggest factors.

The Nazis actually had problems finding enough German soldiers who could stand working at the death camps, so they relied on Poles and Ukrainians for staffing the lower ranks at those camps, no problem finding any to work at them among eastern Europeans.

Poland just posted the most detailed list of Concentration camp guards, from German, Austrian, Soviet, American, and Polish sources etc. it shows that most of the guards were German.

Why are you so stupid?
are you a Chimp? are you Human?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

True. Most of eastern Europe was as bad or worse than Nazis, but of course they all sweep their dirty launder under the Hitler meme, as if they had nothing to do with it; same for most of Europe, actually.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

that's certainly the way the U.S. State Dept. and most of the pols work it.

Haha, another good joke.

No, no one in Eastern Europe was as bad as the Nazis, well Soviets were but not towards Jews, but rather by a NKVD which was predominantly Jewish.

The fact remains that while there were some Nazi collaborators all over Europe, this also includes Jews, and always included Germans as the biggest factors.

after the war many Jews had to remain in concentration camps because most who left and tried to return home in Poland were murdered by their former neighbors, so quit pissing on our legs and trying to tell us it's just raining.

After the war 6,000 Poles were killed by Jewish Communist Jakub Berman, and thousands more were killed by Jewish Communist Salomon Morel.

 

[USAF 2023]

If we didn't support Israel, we wouldn't be in the middle-east. No 9/11, no Gulf war, not quagmire in Afghanistan. Not to mention all the billions of dollar each year we give to Israel and her neighbors.

Jesus said Jews are children of the devil. And, for some reason, some really twisted Christians think the children of the devil are the children of Abraham. God said he would bless those who bless Abraham. But, the Bible says Christians count as Abraham's children.

" Jesus" said that Jews are Children of the devil? I thought" Jesus" ( God's son) lol was all about love. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If we didn't support Israel, we wouldn't be in the middle-east. No 9/11, no Gulf war, not quagmire in Afghanistan. Not to mention all the billions of dollar each year we give to Israel and her neighbors.

Jesus said Jews are children of the devil. And, for some reason, some really twisted Christians think the children of the devil are the children of Abraham. God said he would bless those who bless Abraham. But, the Bible says Christians count as Abraham's children.

. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

LOL Mother Theresa, or Pope Jan Paul II those haters.HaHa,

 

[USAF 2023]

If we didn't support Israel, we wouldn't be in the middle-east. No 9/11, no Gulf war, not quagmire in Afghanistan. Not to mention all the billions of dollar each year we give to Israel and her neighbors.

Jesus said Jews are children of the devil. And, for some reason, some really twisted Christians think the children of the devil are the children of Abraham. God said he would bless those who bless Abraham. But, the Bible says Christians count as Abraham's children.

. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

LOL Mother Theresa, or Pope Jan Paul II those haters.HaHa,

You're the one who demonstrsted that " Jesus" the son of God practiced Hate. HaHa

 

[BulletProof]

" Jesus" said that Jews are Children of the devil? I thought" Jesus" ( God's son) lol was all about love. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

Jews hate all gentiles as a matter of doctrine. At least Jesus only hated those who deserved his contempt.

 

[Coyote]

Denmark had just 10,000 or so Jews, Poland had about 3,500,000 Jews or so.

I'm so sorry that the proportionate difference doesn't register.

Of course it was much easier to send 10,000 Jews to Sweden, by Denmark, than for Poland to send 3,500,000 Jews to Sweden.

Especially considering that the invasion of Poland gave them less time to prepare.

Here's the thing, to try to wrench this back to topic -- one of the reasons to support Israel is that Israel's intent is to save ALL of the Jews. Not just her Jews, but all of the Jews worldwide. Because they are STILL being persecuted by people like you. They are still being executed because.....Joooooos. And the Jewish people need a safe place to retreat to, when persecutions become inevitable.

I'd love to see a source showing that Jews are any safer in Israel.

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

 

[BulletProof]

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

HAHA They had to wall themselves in for protection. And, it's only a matter of time before Israel wiped off the map. Yeah, at least they control their destiny! HAHA

Ironically, "Christian" supporters of Israel follow a doctrine that teaches that Jews will soon be stomped, πατουμένη, into the ground. But, don't worry, God will step in to save the Jews just before they're made extinct, and then convert them to Christians.

Jews should try a little harder to make friends. The only people who like Jews them are dopes who think God requires them to like Jews.

 

[Coyote]

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

HAHA They had to wall themselves in for protection. And, it's only a matter of time before Israel wiped off the map. Yeah, at least they control their destiny! HAHA

Ironically, "Christian" supporters of Israel follow a doctrine that teaches that Jews will soon be stomped, πατουμένη, into the ground. But, don't worry, God will step in to save the Jews just before they're made extinct, and then convert them to Christians.

Jews should try a little harder to make friends. The only people who Jews them are dopes who think God requires them to like Jews.

You sound rather gleeful at that prospect. You like genocide eh? Or only if it's Jews? Geez you religious types are nutso.

 

[USAF 2023]

" Jesus" said that Jews are Children of the devil? I thought" Jesus" ( God's son) lol was all about love. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

Jews hate all gentiles as a matter of doctrine. At least Jesus only hated those who deserved his contempt.

History indicates that Gentiles have hated Jews for over 2000 years, The Church officially stopped in 1964 which wasn't that long ago even though behind closed " Christian" doors they still do it. Your post just proves Christian Hatred has nothing to do with.the creation of Israel. So much for " Jesus" and " forgiving" They hate for no reason; It's their nature

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

" Jesus" said that Jews are Children of the devil? I thought" Jesus" ( God's son) lol was all about love. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

Jews hate all gentiles as a matter of doctrine. At least Jesus only hcted those who deserved his contempt.

History indicates that Gentiles have hated Jews for over 2000 years, The Church officially stopped in 1964 which wasn't that long ago even though behind closed " Christian" doors they still do it. Your post just proves Christian Hatred has nothing to do with.the creation of Israel. So much for " Jesus" and " forgiving" They hate for no reason; It's their nature

You mean the Catholic Church stopped telling us that the Jews killed Jesus, like it says in the New Testament that Jews snitched on Jesus to get him killed?

 

[USAF 2023]

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

HAHA They had to wall themselves in for protection. And, it's only a matter of time before Israel wiped off the map. Yeah, at least they control their destiny! HAHA

Ironically, "Christian" supporters of Israel follow a doctrine that teaches that Jews will soon be stomped, πατουμένη, into the ground. But, don't worry, God will step in to save the Jews just before they're made extinct, and then convert them to Christians.

Jews should try a little harder to make friends. The only people who like Jews them are dopes who think God requires them to like Jews.

The above post just demonstrates that " Christian" hatred has nothing to do with the creation of Israel. There are several religions who don't believe in " Jesus" . Too bad this " Christian" is too filled with hatred to acknowledge it

 

[USAF 2023]

" Jesus" said that Jews are Children of the devil? I thought" Jesus" ( God's son) lol was all about love. Just more proof that all " Christians" know and practice is hate.

Jews hate all gentiles as a matter of doctrine. At least Jesus only hcted those who deserved his contempt.

History indicates that Gentiles have hated Jews for over 2000 years, The Church officially stopped in 1964 which wasn't that long ago even though behind closed " Christian" doors they still do it. Your post just proves Christian Hatred has nothing to do with.the creation of Israel. So much for " Jesus" and " forgiving" They hate for no reason; It's their nature

You mean the Catholic Church stopped telling us that the Jews killed Jesus, like it says in the New Testament that Jews snitched on Jesus to get him killed?

In 1964 they officially stopped but they still do it. Wasn't the reason for " Jesus" being born by Virgin Birth so God could give up his only " son?"' Lol

 

[Lipush]

Why do you think Jews ask for the support of Jew-haters? you're strange.

Have the Jews shown gratitude to anyone?
Not even the more friendly nations to the Jews like Poland, or U.S. haven't really gotten anything but BS in response from Jews.

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

 

[Lipush]

Because Israel is America's staunchest ally.

Suck it, Joo-haters!

Haha, good joke.

If true, why did Britain, Poland, Australia, and Spain fight in Iraq with the U.S, but not Israel?

Come to think about it, Which war did Israel fight with the U.S in?
I can't think of any?
Can you?

When did usa send troops to fight alongside Israel?

Did I miss anything?

So, then the U.S, and Israel are not really "allies" this is just a propaganda by idiots?

No, we're allies. Allies defined by common goals or interests. There are many groups and individuals who work together not because they're so crazy about each other, but because they reached the conclusion that it's best for both of them if they cooperate.

USA wouldn't have befriended Israel, if that's the right word to use, if it wouldn't have gained anything from it. As a regular Joe you may not know what the government gains from it, but you can be sure it gains something. You don't need to be super intelligent to realize that. It how things work nowdays.