Why support Israel?

[Lipush]

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

HAHA They had to wall themselves in for protection. And, it's only a matter of time before Israel wiped off the map. Yeah, at least they control their destiny! HAHA

Ironically, "Christian" supporters of Israel follow a doctrine that teaches that Jews will soon be stomped, πατουμένη, into the ground. But, don't worry, God will step in to save the Jews just before they're made extinct, and then convert them to Christians.

Jews should try a little harder to make friends. The only people who like Jews them are dopes who think God requires them to like Jews.

I don't get what amuses you. Do you get off thinking about Jews being slaughtered?

Even if we're at war with the Arabs, I don't think any Israeli will find it funny if anyone calls for total destruction of them.

God, where do people like you even come from?

 

[BulletProof]

I don't get what amuses you. Do you get off thinking about Jews being slaughtered?

What amuses is Supremacists being humbled.

 

[Lipush]

I don't get what amuses you. Do you get off thinking about Jews being slaughtered?

What amuses is Supremacists being humbled.

Don't know what you mean. You're the only one here who trashes another etnic group base on nothing.

 

[BulletProof]

Don't know what you mean. You're the only one here who trashes another etnic group base on nothing.

I've read the Talmud. It's a book of hate more so than a book about ethnicity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Have the Jews shown gratitude to anyone?
Not even the more friendly nations to the Jews like Poland, or U.S. haven't really gotten anything but BS in response from Jews.

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

At least in Israel they control their own destiny.

HAHA They had to wall themselves in for protection. And, it's only a matter of time before Israel wiped off the map. Yeah, at least they control their destiny! HAHA

Ironically, "Christian" supporters of Israel follow a doctrine that teaches that Jews will soon be stomped, πατουμένη, into the ground. But, don't worry, God will step in to save the Jews just before they're made extinct, and then convert them to Christians.

Jews should try a little harder to make friends. The only people who like Jews them are dopes who think God requires them to like Jews.

I don't get what amuses you. Do you get off thinking about Jews being slaughtered?

Even if we're at war with the Arabs, I don't think any Israeli will find it funny if anyone calls for total destruction of them.

God, where do people like you even come from?

On the Topix Poland forum which has since been discontinued, there were a bunch of raving lunatics, talking about Nuking Poland, and slaughtering Polish people, and they blamed Poland for the Holocaust constantly, and boasted of Jewish beauties, and Jewish intellectuals al the time.

Gee, while none of them came out, and said it.

Typical scumbag Jews for sure, why should I care about your horrible people, and their fate?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Because Israel is America's staunchest ally.

Suck it, Joo-haters!

Haha, good joke.

If true, why did Britain, Poland, Australia, and Spain fight in Iraq with the U.S, but not Israel?

Come to think about it, Which war did Israel fight with the U.S in?
I can't think of any?
Can you?

When did usa send troops to fight alongside Israel?

Did I miss anything?

So, then the U.S, and Israel are not really "allies" this is just a propaganda by idiots?

No, we're allies. Allies defined by common goals or interests. There are many groups and individuals who work together not because they're so crazy about each other, but because they reached the conclusion that it's best for both of them if they cooperate.

USA wouldn't have befriended Israel, if that's the right word to use, if it wouldn't have gained anything from it. As a regular Joe you may not know what the government gains from it, but you can be sure it gains something. You don't need to be super intelligent to realize that. It how things work nowdays.

Israel is far from a good ally to the U.S, much less the best ally of the U.S like some are claiming.

Good allies don't need Jonathan Pollard.

 

[impuretrash]

Because it's political suicide not to? Because it's just a tiny speck on the map, just get over it already and let them have it? Because it's great propaganda for nationalist movements?

 

[Lipush]

Don't know what you mean. You're the only one here who trashes another etnic group base on nothing.

I've read the Talmud. It's a book of hate more so than a book about ethnicity.

The Talmud is not a word of God.

 

[Lipush]

Because Israel is America's staunchest ally.

Suck it, Joo-haters!

Haha, good joke.

If true, why did Britain, Poland, Australia, and Spain fight in Iraq with the U.S, but not Israel?

Come to think about it, Which war did Israel fight with the U.S in?
I can't think of any?
Can you?

When did usa send troops to fight alongside Israel?

Did I miss anything?

So, then the U.S, and Israel are not really "allies" this is just a propaganda by idiots?

No, we're allies. Allies defined by common goals or interests. There are many groups and individuals who work together not because they're so crazy about each other, but because they reached the conclusion that it's best for both of them if they cooperate.

USA wouldn't have befriended Israel, if that's the right word to use, if it wouldn't have gained anything from it. As a regular Joe you may not know what the government gains from it, but you can be sure it gains something. You don't need to be super intelligent to realize that. It how things work nowdays.

Israel is far from a good ally to the U.S, much less the best ally of the U.S like some are claiming.

Good allies don't need Jonathan Pollard.

Ohh, please. Like the USA never spied on its allies

 

[Lipush]

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

The Poles are offended now, is that it?

Screw that. My family was wiped out, and it gives me the right to blame whoever the **** took place in it, even if they were not the ones who orchestrated it.

 

[Lipush]

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

You don't know the first thing about Jews. Most of the haters who brag about how well they know Jews, more often than not know jack.

 

[Eloy]

I know of no such cases.

You know of not a single American citizen who identifies as Palestinian? I can give you a list, if you'd like. But why don't we start with Linda Sarsour.

Can Linda be loyal to the US and also loyal to the Palestinian cause? If not, why not? If yes, why can't Jews?

I never heard of Linda Sarsour but I can answer your question this way; any person born in the USA should be presumed to have no other country to have a claim on his loyalty over that of America. Similarly, anyone naturalized as a U.S. citizen would have already taken an oath not to put loyalty to any other country before that of the USA. Contrary to this, it has been claimed in this thread that all American Jews identify as Israelis not Americans. This should be troubling for Americans to hear because U.S. foreign policy will be formulated, in part, by Jewish members of Congress who are putting Israel's policies ahead of their own country.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Why support Israel?
※→ Eloy, et al,

Ths is not looking at the realities of the modern 21st Century World.

Israel has used agents to spy on American intelligence and their prime minister used an address to Congress to argue against U.S. policy toward Iran. Unlike yourself, many Americans would be uncomfortable knowing that their fellow citizens owed an allegiance to a foreign country and thereby wanting American policy to reflect that when it comes to international affairs.

(COMMENT)

At the moment, I cannot think of any state or sovereignty that doe not place their own national interests above that of the US.

I cannot think of any national power (commercial, financial, economic, industrial or political-military) that does not utilized overt, covert or clandestine resources (usually all three) to monitor the capabilities, intentions, or activities of America.

I would be hard pressed to think of any state or sovereignty, of any consequence, that would hesitate to exercise their diplomatic influence to alter US Foreign Policy in their favor.

To profess that American Jews put Israel first is good to know.

(COMMENT)

I am not sure what you are implying here. BUT! No American, Jewish or otherwise, owes there fidelity and allegiance to any other country than the US; not even those with dual citizenship.

An American, Jewish or otherwise, owes their allegiance to the United States Constitution.

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“Let us make it clear that we will never turn our backs on our steadfast friends in Israel,
whose adherence to the democratic way must be admired by all friends of freedom.”

President John F.Kennedy
(Speech at Eastern Oregon College of Education, November 9, 1959)

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"Israel exists;
it has a right to exist in peace behind secure and defensible borders;
and it has a right to demand of its neighbors that they recognize those facts.
I have personally followed and supported Israel's heroic struggle for survival,
ever since the founding of the State of Israel 34 years ago.
In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point.
The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies.
I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again."

President Ronald Reagan
(Speech on United States Policy for Peace in the Middle East, September 1, 1982)

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"[Israel] is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel,
we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

President George W Bush
(Press Conference, February 17, 2005)

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​

I think American Foreign Policy and its commitment speaks for itself.
Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Eloy]

RE: Why support Israel?
※→ Eloy, et al,

Ths is not looking at the realities of the modern 21st Century World.

Israel has used agents to spy on American intelligence and their prime minister used an address to Congress to argue against U.S. policy toward Iran. Unlike yourself, many Americans would be uncomfortable knowing that their fellow citizens owed an allegiance to a foreign country and thereby wanting American policy to reflect that when it comes to international affairs.

(COMMENT)

At the moment, I cannot think of any state or sovereignty that doe not place their own national interests above that of the US.

I cannot think of any national power (commercial, financial, economic, industrial or political-military) that does not utilized overt, covert or clandestine resources (usually all three) to monitor the capabilities, intentions, or activities of America.

I would be hard pressed to think of any state or sovereignty, of any consequence, that would hesitate to exercise their diplomatic influence to alter US Foreign Policy in their favor.

To profess that American Jews put Israel first is good to know.

(COMMENT)

I am not sure what you are implying here. BUT! No American, Jewish or otherwise, owes there fidelity and allegiance to any other country than the US; not even those with dual citizenship.

An American, Jewish or otherwise, owes their allegiance to the United States Constitution.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

“Let us make it clear that we will never turn our backs on our steadfast friends in Israel,
whose adherence to the democratic way must be admired by all friends of freedom.”

President John F.Kennedy
(Speech at Eastern Oregon College of Education, November 9, 1959)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Israel exists;
it has a right to exist in peace behind secure and defensible borders;
and it has a right to demand of its neighbors that they recognize those facts.
I have personally followed and supported Israel's heroic struggle for survival,
ever since the founding of the State of Israel 34 years ago.
In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point.
The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies.
I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again."

President Ronald Reagan
(Speech on United States Policy for Peace in the Middle East, September 1, 1982)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"[Israel] is our ally and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel,
we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

President George W Bush
(Press Conference, February 17, 2005)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
​

I think American Foreign Policy and its commitment speaks for itself.
Most Respectfully,
R

Your long posts prevent you and us from sticking to the point. Earlier in the thread another poster claimed that all American Jews identify as Israelis not American. I consider this worrisome especially since Jews are over-represented in Congress and the U.S. Administration.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

The Poles are offended now, is that it?

Screw that. My family was wiped out, and it gives me the right to blame whoever the **** took place in it, even if they were not the ones who orchestrated it.

'
Why not also blame Jews for Group 13, Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrat. Jewish Sonderkommandos, and Jewish Kapos?

Millions of Poles also died in WW2, why is this neglected?

You Jews are the most selfish pricks I've ever seen.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

You don't know the first thing about Jews. Most of the haters who brag about how well they know Jews, more often than not know jack.

Jews are usually the ones blaming Poland for the Holocaust.

 

[BulletProof]

The Talmud is not a word of God.

If Jews weren't Atheists, what they consider "the oral Torah" would be considered the word of God.

 

[rylah]

Please check how many different nationalities live in Russia and are officially recognized, before spouting any further bs on the subject.
Xenophobia.

People born in Russia are Russians, not Portuguese.

Delusional and dead wrong. Classic Xenophobia.
Russia is a multi-national country, with 21 national-republics and more than 185 recognized ethnicities.
"Hebrews" - is the official word they use referring to Jews.

The day I take my definition of a nation from the Russians or the Israelis is the day I stop thinking.

In order to think You need facts, a thing You try really hard to be offended by.
Xenophobia, which You portray pretty well, was one of the main reasons Jews had to build Israel.

Is it a problem that Jews identify with their tribe/nation, and be citizens of countries other than Israel? How about Greeks or Armenians in Your country, is their identity a threat as well?

You will not persuade anyone to your view if you call them names.
Unlike Zionists, I am not xenophobic.
But the topic is not about me; it is about Israel and why the Americans should support Israel.
The question is unclear because some people will interpret 'Israel' as the justification for a Jewish state in the Middle East to the massacres of Palestinian children and other civilians in Gaza and all the Israeli policies in between.

You maintain that all Jews, for example Jews living in San Carlos, California, identify more with Israel than the United States. What concerns me is that you might be right.

Don't You know that being offended" is NOT a valid argument? Xenophobia was indeed one of the main reasons Jews had to rebuild Israel. It's a simple fact, don't get offended.

Listen You try to equate Israel solely to its' wars.
Modern Zionism, or support for Israel, started long before that, at the time Palestinian Jews were massacred by their Arab neighbors under the Ottoman rule.

I don't know what Your problem with different ethnicities/people/nationalities in Your country, but their presence doesn't automatically mean they're spies of another nation state. This is just paranoia.


Again are You concerned with Greeks/French/Armenians/Russians in Your country or just the Jews?

 

[Coyote]

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

Ok so get it it that you irrationally hate an entire religious group...

Ever sat down to lunch with a Jew and chatted...like normal people do?

Supporting Israel is complicated and the OP is open ended. You can condemn or support state actions but the Jewish people, like any other, are diverse individuals. To hate them as a group based on religion or eth nic heritage is to demonize and thst leads to dehumanizing.