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Why I am Orthodox
I'm not Orthodox ... I'm not even a xtian.
I am a big fan of Medieval History ... particularly that of The Byzantine.
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Why I am Orthodox
Shut up stupid protestant you can't handle the fact protestants split the church the second time and call Catholics not christiansThe first ecumenical council, The Council of Nicea, in 325CE, established both the church structure and hierarchy that you know today.
That council, held in Alexandria, was presided over by Patriarch Alexander The Orthodox version of Pope. It was a Greek Orthodox Council, attended by members of The Roman Church, not vice-versa.
I'm not re-writing History. It's just amazing how little xtians know about the history of their own church.
I guess knowing that history gets in the way of hating anyone who you think disagrees with you.
Shut up stupid protestant
Jesus in no way shape of form advocated global theocratical hierarchy
No, you are trying to rewrite it and who cares about grammar?I'm a Jew ... who also knows how to punctuate.
But, I guess things like history and grammar get in the way of dogmatic obedience.
I'm not Orthodox ... I'm not even a xtian.
I am a big fan of Medieval History ... particularly that of The Byzantine.
I'm a Jew
But, I guess things like history and grammar get in the way of dogmatic obedience.
In choosing Peter and handing him the keys to the Kingdom and giving him the power to bind and loose
who cares about grammar?
Then why are you here if your educated?Educated people?
Catholics are wrong with stupid bishops and pope .That is a totally false statement. In choosing the apostles he essentially replaced the fathers of the 12 tribes.
In choosing Peter and handing him the keys to the Kingdom and giving him the power to bind and loose he specifically invoked the Rabbinical term for "forbidding and permitting." The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees.. In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt. xvi. 19, xviii. 18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who "bind heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers"; that is, "loose them," as they have the power to do (Matt. xxiii. 2-4). In the same sense, in the second epistle of Clement to James II. ("Clementine Homilies," Introduction), Peter is represented as having appointed Clement as his successor, saying: "I communicate to him the power of binding and loosing so that, with respect to everything which he shall ordain in the earth, it shall be decreed in the heavens; for he shall bind what ought to be bound and loose what ought to be loosed as knowing the rule of the church." Quite different from this Judaic and ancient view of the apostolic power of binding and loosing is the one expressed in John xx. 23, where Jesus is represented as having said to his disciples after they had received the Holy Spirit: "Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained." It is this view which, adopted by Tertullian and all the church fathers, invested the head of the Christian Church with the power to forgive sins, the "clavis ordinis," "the key-power of the Church."
Later, in the book of acts, we see Bishops, Deacons and Presbyters, which correspond exactly to today';s Catholic (and orthodox) Church. We have bishops, priests and deacons. Those are the only three levels of clergy in the Church. Just like te book of Acts.
As for the global aspect, Jesus said to make disciples of ALL nations. Therefore it only follows that the bishops, priests and deacons would be in all nations.
“In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands” (1 Pet. 3:1)
Catholics are wrong with stupid bishops and pope
No, you are trying to rewrite it
So us Catholics never called a priest before father? Again the Catholics are wrongYOU are wrong and you just called the Book of Acts and Stupid.
Read Acts and see the duties of bishops, and deacons, and priests all laid out.
The word Pope is an English bastardization of the word father. He is just another bishop, but he is the head bishop.
Learn something, moron
Then why are you here if your educated?
Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master
So us Catholics never called a priest before father? Again the Catholics are wrong
But Rabbi means 'teacher', not 'master'.
Jesus never 'said' any of what you claim Uncca , the council of Nicaea INTERPRETED Him and His followers towards your claimsThat is a totally false statement. In choosing the apostles he essentially replaced the fathers of the 12 tribes.
In choosing Peter and handing him the keys to the Kingdom and giving him the power to bind and loose he specifically invoked the Rabbinical term for "forbidding and permitting." The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees.. In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt. xvi. 19, xviii. 18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who "bind heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers"; that is, "loose them," as they have the power to do (Matt. xxiii. 2-4). In the same sense, in the second epistle of Clement to James II. ("Clementine Homilies," Introduction), Peter is represented as having appointed Clement as his successor, saying: "I communicate to him the power of binding and loosing so that, with respect to everything which he shall ordain in the earth, it shall be decreed in the heavens; for he shall bind what ought to be bound and loose what ought to be loosed as knowing the rule of the church." Quite different from this Judaic and ancient view of the apostolic power of binding and loosing is the one expressed in John xx. 23, where Jesus is represented as having said to his disciples after they had received the Holy Spirit: "Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained." It is this view which, adopted by Tertullian and all the church fathers, invested the head of the Christian Church with the power to forgive sins, the "clavis ordinis," "the key-power of the Church."
Later, in the book of acts, we see Bishops, Deacons and Presbyters, which correspond exactly to today';s Catholic (and orthodox) Church. We have bishops, priests and deacons. Those are the only three levels of clergy in the Church. Just like te book of Acts.
As for the global aspect, Jesus said to make disciples of ALL nations. Therefore it only follows that the bishops, priests and deacons would be in all nations.
We call all priests and bishops father