Why Gun Control is Bullshit

[2aguy]

See....the gun culture secures our freedom.....and safety....from criminals both of the ordinary kind...and the government kind......

Here's the thing, guy. If the government ever took out the gun nuts, they gun nuts would lose and most people would be cheering because you frighten their children.

And when the nazis took out the Jews...the people were happy because the Jews were the reason the Germans lost World War 1....right Joe? Everyone cheered on the nazis during the purges........right?

 

[Jarlaxle]

How can you say we don't care....we are the ones promoting gun safety....we care about people being preyed on by criminals. It is you assholes...who know that criminals with or without guns will attack innocent people....yet you want the innocent people unarmed, and victims......guns stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year.....and yet you don't want those people saved.....you want them raped, robb d, beaten and murdered... All because you have the phobia Bout guns.......

Douchebag, Defensive gun use is a myth. Of the 32,000 gun deaths we have a year, only 200 are classified as self-defense homicides. Gun or no gun, the criminal always has the advantage in that he picks the time and place of when he attacks. The gun owner is usually caught unaware.

But the NRA doesn't want stupid people like you to know this. This is why when Kellerman determined that a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy, the NRA stopped all funding to gun studies.

If only the Cigarette makers had thought of that.

You guys come up with laws that don't stop gun crime, but only attack regular people owning guns....and then you expect us to take you seriously...

Guy, restrictive gun laws work fine in Japan, the UK, Canada, Italy, France, Germany. They have very little crime because you don't have guns enabling criminals to be criminals.

Only in the US do you have the National Rampage Association fighting very hard to keep guns in the hands of crooks and crazy people, so that people like you with tiny dicks are scared out of your wits and want to have more guns.

No matter how many times you regurgitate this, it is STILL A LIE!

 

[2aguy]

How can you say we don't care....we are the ones promoting gun safety....we care about people being preyed on by criminals. It is you assholes...who know that criminals with or without guns will attack innocent people....yet you want the innocent people unarmed, and victims......guns stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year.....and yet you don't want those people saved.....you want them raped, robb d, beaten and murdered... All because you have the phobia Bout guns.......

Douchebag, Defensive gun use is a myth. Of the 32,000 gun deaths we have a year, only 200 are classified as self-defense homicides. Gun or no gun, the criminal always has the advantage in that he picks the time and place of when he attacks. The gun owner is usually caught unaware.

But the NRA doesn't want stupid people like you to know this. This is why when Kellerman determined that a gun in the house is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a bad guy, the NRA stopped all funding to gun studies.

If only the Cigarette makers had thought of that.

You guys come up with laws that don't stop gun crime, but only attack regular people owning guns....and then you expect us to take you seriously...

Guy, restrictive gun laws work fine in Japan, the UK, Canada, Italy, France, Germany. They have very little crime because you don't have guns enabling criminals to be criminals.

Only in the US do you have the National Rampage Association fighting very hard to keep guns in the hands of crooks and crazy people, so that people like you with tiny dicks are scared out of your wits and want to have more guns.

No matter how many times you regurgitate this, it is STILL A LIE!

I'm sorry, were you addressing Joe or me?

 

[Jarlaxle]

And the worst slaughters in history were stopped with guns too....the nazis didn't shut down their camps, they were stopped by good guys with guns.......

Actually, they were stopped by organized armies of trained professionals with guns and tanks and planes...

Not by average citizens with guns woo-haing it like a bunch of rednecks.

You don't get it joe, you never will.............without guns, the strong would still be dominating the weak.......

No...he DOES get it. That is what he WANTS. Joey is absolutely pure evil on the level of Beria.

 

[JoeB131]

And when the nazis took out the Jews...the people were happy because the Jews were the reason the Germans lost World War 1....right Joe? Everyone cheered on the nazis during the purges........right?

actually, most of the countries the Nazis invaded were happy to help them. If you were a German Jew, you probably had a better chance of surviving the war than a Polish or Hungarian Jew.

Probably had more to do with the whole, 'You guys killed Jesus' than world war I.

Or are you trying to argue the Nazis would have said "just kidding" if the Jews had a few pistols on Krystalnacht?

 

[JoeB131]

No matter how many times you regurgitate this, it is STILL A LIE!

Ditchy, you are the perfect example of how the best argument for banning guns is to let the gun nuts talk.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Keep telling yourself that, kooky...nobody else will believe it, but if you take enough drugs, you might until you sober up.

 

[2aguy]

And when the nazis took out the Jews...the people were happy because the Jews were the reason the Germans lost World War 1....right Joe? Everyone cheered on the nazis during the purges........right?

actually, most of the countries the Nazis invaded were happy to help them. If you were a German Jew, you probably had a better chance of surviving the war than a Polish or Hungarian Jew.

Probably had more to do with the whole, 'You guys killed Jesus' than world war I.

Or are you trying to argue the Nazis would have said "just kidding" if the Jews had a few pistols on Krystalnacht?

Joe...careful.....people will take that the wrong way.....

Also, we aren't talking about a few pistols.........the riots in Ferguson showed what a few people with rifles could do to prevent rioters from destroying their stores...now imagine whole countries under arms and someone trying to violate them the way the nazis did.....never happen.....

 

[2aguy]

And when the nazis took out the Jews...the people were happy because the Jews were the reason the Germans lost World War 1....right Joe? Everyone cheered on the nazis during the purges........right?

actually, most of the countries the Nazis invaded were happy to help them. If you were a German Jew, you probably had a better chance of surviving the war than a Polish or Hungarian Jew.

Probably had more to do with the whole, 'You guys killed Jesus' than world war I.

Or are you trying to argue the Nazis would have said "just kidding" if the Jews had a few pistols on Krystalnacht?

Joe....Europe tried it your way....and over 12 million people were slaughtered by the nazis......now let's try it the American way and see if that turns out differently.....shall we.......

90 million armed Americans......vs......at most 3 million military....most of those combat support........that is why they need to disarm the population...it would be a major problem should the government become like Mexico....

 

[JoeB131]

Joe...careful.....people will take that the wrong way.....

Also, we aren't talking about a few pistols.........the riots in Ferguson showed what a few people with rifles could do to prevent rioters from destroying their stores...now imagine whole countries under arms and someone trying to violate them the way the nazis did.....never happen.....

Actually, all the riots in Ferguson proved is that when you let racist cops gun down children in the street, people are going to get pissed off about that. Most of those businesses were burned out.

 

[2aguy]

Joe...careful.....people will take that the wrong way.....

Also, we aren't talking about a few pistols.........the riots in Ferguson showed what a few people with rifles could do to prevent rioters from destroying their stores...now imagine whole countries under arms and someone trying to violate them the way the nazis did.....never happen.....

Actually, all the riots in Ferguson proved is that when you let racist cops gun down children in the street, people are going to get pissed off about that. Most of those businesses were burned out.

Uh uh uhhhh.....not the ones protected by men with guns joe.....those are still standing.........see what I mean.....

(and no one gunned down a child.....a violent thug attacked a cop and was killed attacking that cop....that is what the eyewitnesses said joe.....)

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why do you bother? Joey knows what he knows, and will not permit mere FACTS to change anything.

 

[ralfy]

Repost:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html

using raw data involving guns and violence as well as violence in general.

There are also other data sets and correlations to consider.

Finally, about the history of gun use and control in the U.S.:

The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.

The Secret History of Guns The Atlantic

 

[2aguy]

Repost:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html

using raw data involving guns and violence as well as violence in general.

There are also other data sets and correlations to consider.

Finally, about the history of gun use and control in the U.S.:

The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.

The Secret History of Guns The Atlantic

On that Atlantic piece....

Left-leaning intelligentsia discover the secret history of guns

While Professor Winkler sees irony in the demographics of the pro-rights movement, and seems to have a hard time getting his head around the idea, we in the rights community have for years pointed out the problem with laws that invite police discretion over who should be “allowed” to own and carry guns. If the police are biased against a citizen based on ethnicity, cultural background, or they just don’t like an individual, then police discretion becomes a poor yardstick to use for judging a fundamental right – the right to self-defense. Martin Luther King’s house was bombed, but he was turned down for a concealed carry permit.
Read more at Left-leaning intelligentsia discover the secret history of guns

 

[2aguy]

Repost:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html

using raw data involving guns and violence as well as violence in general.

There are also other data sets and correlations to consider.

Finally, about the history of gun use and control in the U.S.:

The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.

The Secret History of Guns The Atlantic

Well....Mr. Blow of course doesn't add in the 12 million murdered because the people of Europe were disarmed in the face of nazi occupation...or the 25 million of disarmed russians or the 70 million disarmed Chinese.....when their governments turned evil.....add those numbers into the equation and we come out really well.....

And besides....in a country of over 320 million people, we only have 8-9,000 gun murders a year....mainly committed by gangs in small, multi block areas of inner cities.....so our real gun murder rate compares very closely with that of Europe.....and he doesn't mention that Britain has 2 times the violent crime rate we have...after they banned guns...and that their gun murder rate was much smaller than ours before their gun ban....

guns aren't the problem....inner city culture is........now that Europe is importing different, more violent cultures into their cities...they will soon have our violent gun crime rate.......gun crime in all of these countries, including Canada and Australia is highest in the immigrant communities...as it is in Australia.......

and we use guns 1.6 million times a year to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives....

Funny how Mr. Blow forgot to mention that side of the ledger....isn't it Ralfy.......

We don't have a gun problem...we have an inner city criminal culture and a law enforcement community that will not lock up criminals who use guns to commit crimes.......deal with those problems and our gun murder rate disappears.....

Right Ralfy.....?

 

[2aguy]

Ralfy....here are some stats Mr. Blow didn't talk about....how many times guns are used to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409

Hart...1981...1.797,461

Mauser...1990...1,487,342

Gallup...1993...1,621,377

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Hell if no actions help anything then Why are there any laws in the first place?

Laws are written to create order (from chaos) among the law abiding citizenry, which consists of most people. Laws are written to create a uniform code and expectations in commerce and trade, etc. So long as those laws are just (not violating your natural unalienable rights), they will be followed --- happily.

However, a law written to create order among those prefer chaos (criminals) is ineffectual, and only hinders the law abiding. Also, lawyers and politicians are aware of this, therefore they know their gun control laws are useless and incapable of solving the problem they pretend to be attempting to solve. It's a pretense to disarm the citizenry that's been ongoing since 1946, after the Battle of Athens, Tennessee.

So let me throw the question back at you now:

Why not write a law that bans murder, wouldn't that solve the problem?

Is someone suggesting that gun laws will eliminate all gun violence? Whoops! Strawman shot down just like that.

You are fun to expose because you don't know the definition of strawman. What you are stating is that laws don't work all the time. Everyone knows this is true yet you think you are smart. Are you trying to state no laws will create no unlawful behavior? <--The Derp is REAL!

The politicians state openly that the bills are written to disarm criminals.

No law should ever be written with the intent of governing criminals, because they live outside the law (outlaws). Only the law-abiding citizenry will be disarmed by laws.

 

[JoeB131]

Uh uh uhhhh.....not the ones protected by men with guns joe.....those are still standing.........see what I mean.....

(and no one gunned down a child.....a violent thug attacked a cop and was killed attacking that cop....that is what the eyewitnesses said joe.....)

Uh, actually, most of the businesses got burned out. Including the business that distributed that video of "Grand Theft Cigar". Guns aren't going to solve the problem of racial and economic inequality. They'll just give stupid people like you a false sense of security.

 

[JoeB131]

Well....Mr. Blow of course doesn't add in the 12 million murdered because the people of Europe were disarmed in the face of nazi occupation...or the 25 million of disarmed russians or the 70 million disarmed Chinese.....when their governments turned evil.....add those numbers into the equation and we come out really well.....

Because that isn't true. The problem in Nazi Germany was not a lack of guns. Lots of Germans had guns. In fact, gun control didn't happen in Germany until after the war and Ike sent the Army to disarm German civilians.

Similiarly, in Russia and China, the problem was that there were too many guns. Those countries had civil wars that lasted for years, until one side one.

Also, most of those people who died in Russia and China died from famines. So where they going to eat their guns?

 

[2aguy]

Well....Mr. Blow of course doesn't add in the 12 million murdered because the people of Europe were disarmed in the face of nazi occupation...or the 25 million of disarmed russians or the 70 million disarmed Chinese.....when their governments turned evil.....add those numbers into the equation and we come out really well.....

Because that isn't true. The problem in Nazi Germany was not a lack of guns. Lots of Germans had guns. In fact, gun control didn't happen in Germany until after the war and Ike sent the Army to disarm German civilians.

Similiarly, in Russia and China, the problem was that there were too many guns. Those countries had civil wars that lasted for years, until one side one.

Also, most of those people who died in Russia and China died from famines. So where they going to eat their guns?

Gun control in Germany happened after World War 1 the nazis used that to arm their sa goons and keep the Jews and their enemies disarmed. Too many guns....yeah right...explain that to all the dead in those countries.....