Why Evolution is a Fairytale for Grown-Ups

[progressive hunter]

Let me explain evolution to you clowns.

Evolution is plain old Mathematics. It's simple number theory.

I used the words "combinatorial explosion". Do you know what that means?

Here's what it means. You've heard of Pascal's triangle, yes? Well, Pascal's triangle has three very important realizations. One is, the number of ways to choose subsets of size k from a set of size n. (Mathematicians call this "n choose k"). It turns out, that these numbers are identical to the coefficients of binomial expansion. So for instance if you have (a+b) squared, that's a squared plus 2ab plus b squared, the coefficients are 1,2,1 which is the second row of Pascal's triangle because we're raising to the power 2.

The third and arguably most important meaning in the real world is the probability of equally likely outcomes. It turns out that if you add up all the numbers in a row of Pascal's triangle, you get 2^n, which is the number of possible outcomes by flipping a coin n times. The likelihood of each outcome is given by the coefficients in the row. So if you flip a coin twice, there's only one way to get two heads and one way to get two tails, but there are two ways to get one head and one tail. Again, 1,2,1 - the same set of coefficients.

To understand combinatorial explosion, you merely have to look at the coefficients in Pascal's triangle. Look at the largest number in each row. (Which is in the middle of the row). Now look at the numbers around it. What do you see?

If you flip a coin 10,000 times (which corresponds to the 10,000th row of Pascal's triangle), the largest number in the row has an exponent of +28 !!!

That means, even though you're only doing 10^4 flips, there are 10^28 possible outcomes.

THAT is combinatorial explosion.

It means if you have 10,000 molecules to start with, there are 10^28 ways they can come together to form new molecules. If you have a DNA sequence of length 10,000, there are 10^28 permutations, and since the outcome of each coin flip is equally likely, the Law of Large Numbers says YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET THEM ALL.

How long will that take? (What does "eventually" mean?) Well, it depends how fast you can flip a coin. The kinetics of chemical bonding are usually in the nanosecond to microsecond range. That means you can do 10,000 coin flips in a few milliseconds. Meaning, in MILLISECONDS you have 10^28 permutations when you only started out with 10,000.

Now - in evolution, they quaintly call this process "mutation", and we can measure the kinetics of mutation, both in water and in thin air, and it turns out there are CATALYSTS that increase the speed of coin flipping by millions of times. For example, copper and zinc are peptide bond and nucleotide bond catalysts. Copper is one of the most abundant ions on earth, it's everywhere - in the ocean and in every square inch of dirt on the planet. Whenever two amino acids get next to a copper ion, they'll make a protein. It happens 150 billion times EVERY SECOND in planet earth. That's what combinatorial explosion is about.

And, it's what drives the variety and richness of life. The universe tries every possible combination, and keeps the ones that work. It is part and parcel of the fabric of space and time. There is no avoiding it. There is no denying it. Everything you see, came into being this way. Every atom in the universe was created this way.

If you're religious, you could say "this is the way God works", and that description would be perfectly fine with me. But to deny its existence, is entirely nonsensical. Or to be perfectly rude about it, butt stupid.

Biological evolution is nothing more than combinatorial explosion, and keeping the combinations that work. Selection has many meanings, it could occur on the basis of stability, or on the basis of compatibility, or on the basis of a scientist (or God) making decisions based on a set of criteria. We have yet to discover all the possible ways someone could manipulate 10^28 outcomes.

And actually, the number of molecules on earth is greater than the number of stars and galaxies in the cosmos. It's some astronomically huge number like 10^156. It's a much bigger number than anyone can conceive of. The number of combinations available from that is vast.

Note: this is Mathematics. I never made reference to biology, life forms, or fitness. It's plain simple math. It can't be denied. It happens whenever and wherever you can count numbers.

nice copy and paste

 

[alang1216]

cant see whats not there,,

you want me to believe it just because you said it,,

Don't believe me believe your eyes. Look at the evidence and forget your strawman requirement of "if no one saw it, it didn't happen".

 

[progressive hunter]

Don't believe me believe your eyes. Look at the evidence and forget your strawman requirement of "if no one saw it, it didn't happen".

what evidence??

a buried fossil isnt proof of anything other than something died

 

[alang1216]

what evidence??

a buried fossil isnt proof of anything other than something died

Only if you are ignorant or willfully blind. Fossils tell us when, where, how, what, and why. There is plenty of other evidence.

 

[progressive hunter]

Only if you are ignorant or willfully blind. Fossils tell us when, where, how, what, and why. There is plenty of other evidence.

all they tell us is someting died and got buried,,

the rest is opinion based of assumptions,,

 

[San Souci]

You ... why do you think dog breeding is based on fairy tales? ... which fairy are we talking about? ...

No answer beyond what YouTube tells you ... okay, I understand ...

Dogs are already alive.

 

[alang1216]

all they tell us is someting died and got buried,,

the rest is opinion based of assumptions,,

All they tell YOU is something died and got buried. If knew any science you'd know how ignorant that sounds.

 

[progressive hunter]

All they tell YOU is something died and got buried. If knew any science you'd know how ignorant that sounds.

then enlighten me,,

 

[alang1216]

then enlighten me,,

I recall I found that impossible in the past but...

Fossils are always found in context. If their rock layer lies above other fossil beds, they are younger. If they are no longer present anywhere on the planet, they have gone extinct. If they are never found in older rocks they, almost certainly never existed before. If they never existed before, science has only one theory as to how they came to be. Isn't science wonderful.

You are always silent on alternative theories and complain if someone mentions religion. Here's your chance.

 

[progressive hunter]

I recall I found that impossible in the past but...

Fossils are always found in context. If their rock layer lies above other fossil beds, they are younger. If they are no longer present anywhere on the planet, they have gone extinct. If they are never found in older rocks they, almost certainly never existed before. If they never existed before, science has only one theory as to how they came to be.

Isn't science wonderful.

all you post is opinions based on assumptions like the chemical similarities,,

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I believe (have faith) in evolution, far more than an ID option.

 

[jwoodie]

Creation of life, adaptation to environment, and evolution of species are three different concepts. Please keep this in mind when discussing any of them.

 

[scruffy]

then enlighten me,,

See post #180.

Educate yourself

 

[progressive hunter]

See post #180.

Educate yourself

what you posted doesnt explain how the first human was birthed from what ever primate evo claims,,
nor does it show us how cows became whales and dinosaurs became birds along with a long list of other magical claims made by evolution,,

 

[alang1216]

See post #180.

Educate yourself

You're a better man than me, I gave up. If progressive hunter didn't see it, it never happened. PH has no ideas how species came to be but is 100% certain it wasn't evolution.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sky Father and Earth Mother, for the Diné, are sacred, as are their offerings: air, wind, thunder, lightning, and rain for Sky Father. Mother Earth is everything that she offers: mountains, vegetation, animals, and water.

 

[ReinyDays]

Dogs are already alive.

That hasn't always been the case ... multicellular life barely occupies 10% of Earth's existence ... or is this a "Young Earth" thing? ...

 

[Moonglow]

I just finished the PHd's discussion as when I posted his, I had only been listening for 10 minutes. So now I understand what he says much better. You are querying me for what others said. Did you also watch the video? He did not discuss dog breeding.

His and my concern is trust. If one thinks he or she has knowledge, by self examination or talks by others? He says evolution but spends the bulk of his time dismissing current abiogenesis. And his version of evolution is it is a myth. As to what the stories told about it amount to.

Why do the aborigines of Australia have two fewer chromosomes than I?

 

[ReinyDays]

Why do the aborigines of Australia have two fewer chromosomes than I?

Do you have a citation for that claim? ...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why do the aborigines of Australia have two fewer chromosomes than I?

You are not human. They are.