Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[Woodznutz]

Buttercup and CarlinAnnHarbor,

At this point I think you should consult with your pastors about this topic. A neutral but knowledgeable arbiter would be helpful. My guess is that he or she will tell you that it is not a significant spiritual issue at this time.

 

[Blues Man]

Sure, but there's more to it than that. Pull meat out of our economic Jenga and the whole thing collapses.

Yeah what would all those farmers who survive on government subsidies do?

Gee maybe instead of using 80% of our farmlands to grow feed for livestock they could actually grow food for people instead.

 

[Unkotare]

Yeah what would all those farmers who survive on government subsidies do?

Gee maybe instead of using 80% of our farmlands to grow feed for livestock they could actually grow food for people instead.

The livestock is part of food for people.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yeah what would all those farmers who survive on government subsidies do?

Gee maybe instead of using 80% of our farmlands to grow feed for livestock they could actually grow food for people instead.

Only 41 percent.

41% of US land is used for livestock production according to this report

41% of US land is used for livestock production according to a report by Bloomberg, yet 14% of Americans go hungry including 13 million children.

www.arespectfullife.com

There are problems with animal agriculture, but eliminating it isn't a good solution. When my house gets dirty, I clean it, I don't bulldoze it into the ground and go live in a tent.

 

[Blues Man]

There are problems with animal agriculture, but eliminating it isn't a good solution. When my house gets dirty, I clean it, I don't bulldoze it into the ground and go live in a tent.

Poor analogy.

 

[Woodznutz]

Poor analogy.

Unless you think about it. The agricultural wealth of America is based on animals. Take away the animals and...poverty.

 

[Blues Man]

Unless you think about it. The agricultural wealth of America is based on animals. Take away the animals and...poverty.

Bullshit.

Grow food for people instead.

And the meat industry is utterly dependent on government subsidies.

USDA livestock subsidies near $50 billion, EWG analysis finds

The Department of Agriculture has spent almost $50 billion in subsidies for livestock operators since 1995, according to an EWG analysis.

www.ewg.org

And let's not forget the damage the factory meat farming business does to its employees

For Slaughterhouse Workers, Physical Injuries Are Only the Beginning ✦ OnLabor

Even as more Americans than ever report reducing their meat consumption, the US remains the highest per-capita consumer of meat worldwide. To meet this demand, nearly 9.5 billion animals are slaughtered in the US annually. The burden of carrying out these killings falls almost exclusively on the...

onlabor.org

physical injuries only scratch the surface of their suffering. A growing body of evidence has emerged surrounding the intense psychological toll that slaughterhouses have on the workers

 

[Woodznutz]

Bullshit.

Grow food for people instead.

And the meat industry is utterly dependent on government subsidies.

USDA livestock subsidies near $50 billion, EWG analysis finds

The Department of Agriculture has spent almost $50 billion in subsidies for livestock operators since 1995, according to an EWG analysis.

www.ewg.org

And let's not forget the damage the factory meat farming business does to its employees

For Slaughterhouse Workers, Physical Injuries Are Only the Beginning ✦ OnLabor

Even as more Americans than ever report reducing their meat consumption, the US remains the highest per-capita consumer of meat worldwide. To meet this demand, nearly 9.5 billion animals are slaughtered in the US annually. The burden of carrying out these killings falls almost exclusively on the...

onlabor.org

physical injuries only scratch the surface of their suffering. A growing body of evidence has emerged surrounding the intense psychological toll that slaughterhouses have on the workers

Science would make artificial meat, which is less healthy than actual meat.

People don't need to work in a slaughterhouse to get screwed up in the head.

Food grain farmers get huge subsidies as well. Actually, producing meat is a way to market feed grains more profitably.

 

[Blues Man]

Science would make artificial meat, which is less healthy than actual meat.

People don't need to work in a slaughterhouse to get screwed up in the head.

Food grain farmers get huge subsidies as well. Actually, producing meat is a way to market feed grains more profitably.

No need to make artificial meat =because meat is not necessary at all.

And if we're going to subsidize any food why don't we actually subsidize fruits and vegetables and actually make it cheaper to eat healthier?

The US could feed 800 million people on the grain used to feed livestock alone

U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists | Cornell Chronicle

From one ecologist's perspective, the American system of farming grain-fed livestock consumes resources far out of proportion to the yield, accelerates soil erosion, affects world food supply and will be changing in the future.

news.cornell.edu

It seems to me growing food for people is a better use of the land than growing food for animals in just about every metric

 

[Woodznutz]

No need to make artificial meat =because meat is not necessary at all.

And if we're going to subsidize any food why don't we actually subsidize fruits and vegetables and actually make it cheaper to eat healthier?

The US could feed 800 million people on the grain used to feed livestock alone

U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists | Cornell Chronicle

From one ecologist's perspective, the American system of farming grain-fed livestock consumes resources far out of proportion to the yield, accelerates soil erosion, affects world food supply and will be changing in the future.

news.cornell.edu

It seems to me growing food for people is a better use of the land than growing food for animals in just about every metric

Why either/or. Why not a middle ground?

My diet is varied between whole grains, nuts, fruits, vegetables, dairy, and meats. Why take meat off my plate? Take meat off your plate, leave mine alone.

 

[Blues Man]

Why either/or. Why not a middle ground?

If you want to hunt go ahead I already said that.

If you want to eat a cow why don't you go buy a cow from a farmer and butcher it yourself?

Hell why not raise dogs are eat them it would be a lot cheaper than raising cows.

 

[Woodznutz]

It seems to me growing food for people is a better use of the land than growing food for animals in just about every metric

Why increase the use of chemicals on the land? Aren't we sick enough?

 

[Woodznutz]

If you want to hunt go ahead I already said that.

If you want to eat a cow why don't you go buy a cow from a farmer and butcher it yourself?

Hell why not raise dogs are eat them it would be a lot cheaper than raising cows.

Agricultural animals provide much more than just meat.

Speaking of dogs, I know that the same people who want to eliminate animal agriculture also want to end the pet industry, as well as zoos. All animals are to be freed from human domination. No more cuddly pets, no more service animals, no more horseback riding, no more going to the petting zoo. Izzat you?

Not a world I want to live in.

 

[Woodznutz]

If you want to hunt go ahead I already said that.

If you want to eat a cow why don't you go buy a cow from a farmer and butcher it yourself?

Hell why not raise dogs are eat them it would be a lot cheaper than raising cows.T

This ball is in your court, not mine.

 

[Blues Man]

Why increase the use of chemicals on the land? Aren't we sick enough?

You don't have to use chemicals and are you so naïve as to think the meat you eat isn;t loaded with the chemicals used on livestock feed not to mention antibiotics and hormones?

 

[Blues Man]

Agricultural animals provide much more than just meat.

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Speaking of dogs, I know that the same people who want to eliminate animal agriculture also want to end the pet industry, as well as zoos. All animals are to be freed from human domination. No more cuddly pets, no more service animals, no more horseback riding, no more going to the petting zoo. Izzat you?

Not a world I want to live in.

All those things can be sourced from animals after they die a natural death

 

[Woodznutz]

All those things can be sourced from animals after they die a natural death

Animals aren't raised just for their byproducts.

 

[Woodznutz]

You don't have to use chemicals and are you so naïve as to think the meat you eat isn;t loaded with the chemicals used on livestock feed not to mention antibiotics and hormones?

Without animal manures you have to use chemical fertilizers and pesticides.

Organically raise animals don't have those chemicals in their flesh.

But let's get real. Who do you want to stop eating meat? Americans, Christians, Chinese, Europeans...just who?

 

[braalian]

No one’s forcing anyone to eat meat if they don’t want to.

The world would be a better place if people just minded their own business

 

[buttercup]

After reading this thread and feeling discouraged with people in general, Bob Barker just restored my faith in humanity.

I didn't even know he was an animal rights advocate, and strict vegetarian for more than 35 years! I'm not surprised at all he lived to be 99.

He is absolutely right in what he's saying in this clip: