Why does the left keep saying the republicans have no ideas?

[Liberty]

Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common-sense health care reform our nation can afford. Boehner’s address emphasized four common-sense reforms that will lower health care costs and expand access to quality care without a government takeover of our nation’s health care system that kills jobs, raises taxes on small businesses, or cuts Medicare for seniors:

Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

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Can someone on the left really support the 1990 page monstrosity over these ideas?
If so, what makes the 1990 pages so much better for the American people?

 

[Oddball]

It's projection from people who haven't had an original idea since Eugene Debs.

 

[The Rabbi]

Because it's easier to say that than admit that those ideas are probably right and will come closer to reaching what Liberals say they want than anything Liberals will actually come up with.

 

[Zoom-boing]

A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Vladimir Lenin

 

[obama2ndterm]

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Seven Falsehoods About Health Care
Big myths about the current debate

August 14, 2009
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Summary

So much for a slow news month. August feels like campaign season, with claims on health care coming at us daily. Does the House bill call for mandatory counseling on how to end seniors’ lives sooner? Absolutely not. Will the government be dictating to doctors how to treat their patients? No. Do the bills propose cutting Medicare benefit levels? No on that one, too.

But on the other hand, has Congress figured out how to pay for this overhaul? Not yet. Or will it really save families $2,500 a year as the president keeps claiming? Good luck on that one, too.

In this article we offer a run-down of seven falsehoods we’ve taken on recently, with some additional updating and research thrown in.

Remaidner of article HERE

The rules of fair use prohibit you from copy-n-pasting entire pieces and require you to link to copyrighted material.

Next time, the post goes straight to the Memory Hole.

~Dude

 

[obama2ndterm]

Ibid.

~Dude

 

[alan1]

^^^
That looks like the next time.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Why does the left keep saying the republicans have no ideas?

Because the left wouldn't know what a good idea was if it kicked them in the butt.

 

[rdean]

Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common-sense health care reform our nation can afford. Boehner’s address emphasized four common-sense reforms that will lower health care costs and expand access to quality care without a government takeover of our nation’s health care system that kills jobs, raises taxes on small businesses, or cuts Medicare for seniors:

Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.

Yea, and if they have no job, what money are they going to spend? Ha ha ha. Good one.

Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

This already has a name. It's called "Public Option". Besides, it's not going to happen. Other countries consolidate there orders for drugs and buy in bulk. Republicans made that illegal for US health care companies under the Bush Administration with the support of the Drug Lobby.

Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

See Number 1 and 2.

Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

That doesn't even make sense. Lawsuits mean more tests?????? If they are so afraid, they shouldn't be doctors.
The VA already has a data base. Every time a doctor prescribes medicine or a medical procedure, it's entered into the data base. How successful, any side effects, included therapies, cost, etc. It's partly why they are able to spend 96 cents per dollar per patient (as opposed to the 65 to 70 cents spent by Health Care companies - hey, a hundred million dollar salary means you have to skim a lot of policies). You could even charge health care companies access to the data base. They would pay big time.

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Can someone on the left really support the 1990 page monstrosity over these ideas?
If so, what makes the 1990 pages so much better for the American people?

Hey, I'm not defending the Democrats either. Who comes up with the above suggestions? Doctors. Who do politicians listen to? Drug companies and screaming, fearful Republicans.

 

[Jaded vet]

Republican ideas for health care- Don't get sick.
If you do get sick - Die quickly

 

[Zoom-boing]

Republican ideas for health care- Don't get sick.
If you do get sick - Die quickly

You've learned the talking points well. Bravo!


http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare

 

[rdean]

Republican ideas for health care- Don't get sick.
If you do get sick - Die quickly

You've learned the talking points well. Bravo!


Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

I answered those above. They are NOT solutions. They are jokes. Mean jokes.

Hope that guy in the video visits his doctor. Tanning booths cause skin cancer. If they decide his condition was "pre existing", his policy could get dropped. Takes skimming a lot of policies to pay a hundred million dollar CEO salary.

 

[Oddball]

So, the answer is that the GOP policy is disliked by lefties, not that there isn't a policy.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Liberty]

Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common-sense health care reform our nation can afford. Boehner’s address emphasized four common-sense reforms that will lower health care costs and expand access to quality care without a government takeover of our nation’s health care system that kills jobs, raises taxes on small businesses, or cuts Medicare for seniors:

Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.

Yea, and if they have no job, what money are they going to spend? Ha ha ha. Good one.

Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

This already has a name. It's called "Public Option". Besides, it's not going to happen. Other countries consolidate there orders for drugs and buy in bulk. Republicans made that illegal for US health care companies under the Bush Administration with the support of the Drug Lobby.

Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

See Number 1 and 2.

Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

That doesn't even make sense. Lawsuits mean more tests?????? If they are so afraid, they shouldn't be doctors.
The VA already has a data base. Every time a doctor prescribes medicine or a medical procedure, it's entered into the data base. How successful, any side effects, included therapies, cost, etc. It's partly why they are able to spend 96 cents per dollar per patient (as opposed to the 65 to 70 cents spent by Health Care companies - hey, a hundred million dollar salary means you have to skim a lot of policies). You could even charge health care companies access to the data base. They would pay big time.

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Can someone on the left really support the 1990 page monstrosity over these ideas?
If so, what makes the 1990 pages so much better for the American people?

Hey, I'm not defending the Democrats either. Who comes up with the above suggestions? Doctors. Who do politicians listen to? Drug companies and screaming, fearful Republicans.

way to TOTALLY miss the point. FIRST OFF, who gives a crap what your opinion is? Second off, this topic's primary goal was to show that the republicans actually have ideas that the pelosi-bots are flat out ignoring. THIRD, I want the pelosi-bots to explain to me why they think a 1990 page monstrosity of bureaucracy is actually BETTER than the proposed republican ideas?

 

[rdean]

So, the answer is that the GOP policy is disliked by lefties, not that there isn't a policy.

Glad we cleared that up.

Come on, get real. FOUR LOUSY SENTENCES is not a policy, it's a sound byte.

 

[Modbert]

It's projection from people who haven't had an original idea since Eugene Debs.

Who are those "people"? Though ironically enough, Eugene Debs has a interesting quote on this issue.

"Now my friends, I am opposed to the system of society in which we live today, not because I lack the natural equipment to do for myself but because I am not satisfied to make myself comfortable knowing that there are thousands of my fellow men who suffer for the barest necessities of life. We were taught under the old ethic that man's business on this earth was to look out for himself. That was the ethic of the jungle; the ethic of the wild beast. Take care of yourself, no matter what may become of your fellow man. Thousands of years ago the question was asked; ''Am I my brother's keeper?'' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society.

Yes, I am my brother's keeper. I am under a moral obligation to him that is inspired, not by any maudlin sentimentality but by the higher duty I owe myself. What would you think me if I were capable of seating myself at a table and gorging myself with food and saw about me the children of my fellow beings starving to death."

Just figured I'd throw that out there.

 

[alan1]

So, the answer is that the GOP policy is disliked by lefties, not that there isn't a policy.

Glad we cleared that up.

Come on, get real. FOUR LOUSY SENTENCES is not a policy, it's a sound byte.

Good point.
It takes at least 1100 pages to develop policy with plenty of lawyerspeak.

 

[Si modo]

A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Vladimir Lenin

Yup. That's the reason.

 

[obama2ndterm]

Because as Obama keeps extending his hand to the Republicans, let's look at what the Republicans give back:

Obama gave the WATB Republicans the tax breaks they insisted upon in the stimulus package (even though economists said they would hurt-not help-the stimulus). How many Republicans voted for the stimulus bill? Bupkis.

Obama has also had to deal with Republicans giving us Tea Parties, Obama = Nazi, Marxist, Communist, Stalinist, Socialist, Racist and/or a Totalitarian.
Crooks and Liars
He has been accused of declaring War on the Rich, the Health Care industry, Banking industry, Mortgage industry, and the Auto Manufacturing industry.

He has been accused of being a liar, of having a Kenyan Birth Certificate, of wanting death panels and internment camps.

The Republicans have also put holds on the Surgeon General nominee in the face of the H1N1 pandemic, as well as blocking 19 of 22 appointees to the courts, as well as complaining about Obama not being a sufficient enough cheerleader for American exceptionalism abroad, not moving fast enough on Afghanistan, too fast on health care reform, and most pathetically, the number of pages in the health care reform bill.

So tell me again, George, who exactly is being divisive? Who exactly is smacking down the hand of bipartisanship? Who exactly is responsible for the culture of divisiveness in DC?

 

[The Rabbi]

It is nothing short of amazing that someone could be so blind drunk from drinking the Obama-ade, even at this stage in the game, to say that Obama was not responsible for the petty divisiveness we see today.