Why Do You Trump Lovers Hate NATO So Much?

[zaangalewa]

Doesn't make you less wrong.

I doubt that it is really wrong what I said. Laws are for your nation only interesting as long as someone from you has an advantage with such a law. A logical structure seems not to exist in your system of injustice. Or do you really think Mexico will get money from your weapon industry for the deadly chaos they do with their weapon trades with the drug dealers of Mexico?

 

[Rogue AI]

I doubt that it is really wrong what I said. Laws are for your nation only interesting as long as someone from you has an advantage with such a law. A logical structure seems not to exist in your system of injustice. Or do you really think Mexico will get money from your weapon industry for the deadly chaos they do with their weapon trades with the drug dealers of Mexico?

That's not remotely true. Our laws must adhere to the Constitution. That actually means something to millions of Americans. Even the Marxist scum who try to ignore the Constitution still abide to court rulings against them.

 

[struth]

How Xiden and the Dems broke NATO: Opinion | How Biden Broke NATO

How Biden Broke NATO​

The chaotic Afghan withdrawal has shocked and angered U.S. allies.​

Remember when candidate Joe Biden said America “needs a leader the world respects”? Apparently President Biden forgot. Of the many consequences of his misbegotten Afghanistan withdrawal, one of the more serious is the way it has damaged America’s relationships with its allies, especially in Europe.

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Yet everything about Mr. Biden’s Afghan withdrawal has been a slap to those allies. They didn’t want the U.S. to leave, but he did. The botched execution has left them scrambling to airlift out thousands of their citizens and thousands more Afghan translators and others who assisted each nation’s war effort.


Why do Dems and Xiden lovers hate NATO so much? This thread really didn't age well

 

[zaangalewa]

Me and Putin would like an answer please.

And if the answer would be something you had to think about then you would ignore it, isn't it? By the way: Who payed the Serbs who had murdered archduke Franz-Ferdinand and his wonderful wife Sophie, the duchess von Hohenberg? Meanwhile we know that they did not act in the name of Serbia - but who had really been the Borg-Queen in their background?

 

[zaangalewa]

That's not remotely true. Our laws must adhere to the Constitution.

I don't discuss about your constitution.

That actually means something to millions of Americans.

For me it means nothing at all. I love your declaration of independence -"unalienable rights" and so. Indeed I see a very big difference in formal structures like laws and an intuitive feeling of justice. Or with other words: Laws are often nothing else than legalized crimes on their own. On the other side depend our intuitions in case of justice on individual factors. And we are not shy to tell us ourselves also lies which we like to believe in.

Even the Marxist scum who try to ignore the Constitution still abide to court rulings against them.

?

 

[CowboyTed]

The international problem with NATO is that our nation has been taken advantage of by unfriendly and friendly countries alike who want us to pay for everything whereas when it started all agreed to pay a fair share for security. Time for fairness. Period.

Utter Horseshit...

Lets get some actual facts...

Europe without US would probably beat Russia in a non nuclear war in about a month...

US keep pushing up the GDP contribution to defence... Who benefits? Maybe Defence contractors who have paid the cash for access and influence... This is called bribery and corruption in Europe.

But the biggest thing is what was the major attack on NATO countries in the last decade? COVID!!! Who spent money doing the research to have teams available for vaccines. Which country spend taxpayers money preparing for this before COVID arrived? Germany and UK...

This preparation saved more US lives than any lobbied high fighter jet... Germany just doesn't believe in buying useless toys on taxpayers money...

Germany are more interested in defence against cyber warfare... Tell us how US is set up against Cyber Warfare.. Have they no got a expensive lobbyist yet...

Putin is the enemy and Trump love working for him...Trump probably was helping him out as he helped in the election...

It is simple... Putin helped Trump, Trump now helping Putin.. Putin is kind of a kingmaker..

 

[zaangalewa]

It's not just NATO, it's membership in any international organization of nations regardless of their purpose, NATO, UN, WHO, IMF, Paris Climate Agreement, TPP, OAS, etc. It's based on the mistaken belief that America's problems all come from abroad with little benefit, so isolating ourselves will solve our problems. This believe ignores the fact that 1/4 of American Citizens are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, that exports are responsible for 10 million American jobs, foreign tourist add over a trillion dollars a year to the US economy , Americans have 6 trillion dollars in foreign investments and 45% of the sales from America's largest businesses come from abroad.

The fact is the US can not separate itself from global affairs.

You can. You country is rich enough for the very few people who live in your country.

By walking away from membership in international organizations we are walking away from being able to influence foreign affairs that are of vital interest to the nation.

 

[zaangalewa]

Utter Horseshit...

Lets get some actual facts...

Europe without US would probably beat Russia in a non nuclear war in about a month...

And then starts a nuclear war and wastes the whole world. It's too late for wars. War was yesterday.

 

[zaangalewa]

Utter Horseshit...

Lets get some actual facts...

Europe without US would probably beat Russia in a non nuclear war in about a month...

US keep pushing up the GDP contribution to defence... Who benefits? Maybe Defence contractors who have paid the cash for access and influence... This is called bribery and corruption in Europe.

But the biggest thing is what was the major attack on NATO countries in the last decade? COVID!!! Who spent money doing the research to have teams available for vaccines. Which country spend taxpayers money preparing for this before COVID arrived? Germany and UK...

This preparation saved more US lives than any lobbied high fighter jet... Germany just doesn't believe in buying useless toys on taxpayers money...

Germany are more interested in defence against cyber warfare... Tell us how US is set up against Cyber Warfare.. Have they no got a expensive lobbyist yet...

Putin is the enemy and Trump love working for him...Trump probably was helping him out as he helped in the election...

It is simple... Putin helped Trump, Trump now helping Putin.. Putin is kind of a kingmaker..

Good grief. Do you declare here the kingdom USA from the grace of the Russian czar?

 

[j-mac]

Talk radio says so.

Done.

Oh STFU, you ignorant ****…

 

[j-mac]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "**** yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

I think NATO is a vastly important alliance that must remain together.
However, when you consider what the senile buffoon in the oval just did to them in Afghanistan, and today’s revelation of Turkish forces at the airport just pulling out without notice, and leaving the Taliban to order us out immediately, it sure looks like we can’t count on some of the members.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "**** yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Because he lied about it, and they wanted to believe.

 

[easyt65]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "**** yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

You equate a president who called on NATO to honor their promises to pay more of th e or fair share of the defense of THEIR nations 'hating' NATO, snowflake?

The same NATO nations berating Biden for his failure in Afghanistan?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Good grief. If you would take serios your own overaged laws then every state of the USA had to have an own army and an own army of the USA in total would be illegal.

/——-/ Incoherent gibberish.

 

[rightwinger]

Other NATO nations do not need to spend more money on defence. You need to spend less. A lot less.

We have taken on the role as the worlds policeman

In that role, we spend almost 40 cents of every Defense dollar in the world

 

[jc456]

The international problem with NATO is that our nation has been taken advantage of by unfriendly and friendly countries alike who want us to pay for everything whereas when it started all agreed to pay a fair share for security. Time for fairness. Period.

yeah, that other poster hasn't a clue about what is happening. disinformed demofks still prowling the board.

 

[jc456]

I doubt that it is really wrong what I said. Laws are for your nation only interesting as long as someone from you has an advantage with such a law. A logical structure seems not to exist in your system of injustice. Or do you really think Mexico will get money from your weapon industry for the deadly chaos they do with their weapon trades with the drug dealers of Mexico?

so you're allowed to kill at will in Nazi Germany? I don't think so, so our laws aren't different.

 

[Juicin]

That is simply not true. No one expected the US to pay for everything. Ever.

All NATO countries contribute to NATO but the United States of America spends more on military than any other country in the world because they want to not because anyone asked them to.

After World War II, the allies did not want Germany to be armed in any way shape or form having started two world wars in less than 50 years.

The only NATO country that has ever asked other NATO countries to come to its aid is the United States of America which asked NATO allies to come to its aid after 911.

Canada sent 40,000 troops to Afghanistan supporting the US actions there. We lost More than 150 lives there.

Donald Trump wanted to destroy NATO to help Putin and Russia and for no other reason.

Other NATO nations do not need to spend more money on defence. You need to spend less. A lot less.

lol I'm thinking "what the **** is she talking about"

Then remember she's canadian

She thinks she contributes, that's cute

I don't think your 100 active special forces members count there dragon lady. Been about a century since AMericans looked on Canadian regulars favorably.

 

[22lcidw]

Utter Horseshit...

Lets get some actual facts...

Europe without US would probably beat Russia in a non nuclear war in about a month...

US keep pushing up the GDP contribution to defence... Who benefits? Maybe Defence contractors who have paid the cash for access and influence... This is called bribery and corruption in Europe.

But the biggest thing is what was the major attack on NATO countries in the last decade? COVID!!! Who spent money doing the research to have teams available for vaccines. Which country spend taxpayers money preparing for this before COVID arrived? Germany and UK...

This preparation saved more US lives than any lobbied high fighter jet... Germany just doesn't believe in buying useless toys on taxpayers money...

Germany are more interested in defence against cyber warfare... Tell us how US is set up against Cyber Warfare.. Have they no got a expensive lobbyist yet...

Putin is the enemy and Trump love working for him...Trump probably was helping him out as he helped in the election...

It is simple... Putin helped Trump, Trump now helping Putin.. Putin is kind of a kingmaker..

Europe would not beat Russia. Specific military people will do great from Western Europe until the weakest show up. Russians have shown a past of dying before the Western Euros do.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We have taken on the role as the worlds policeman

In that role, we spend almost 40 cents of every Defense dollar in the world

/——-/ On this, we agree.