Why do you support Ukraine?

[skye]

We are part of NATO. We are not NATO. Let NATO step up, give / do more. We have done put part.

Shove your childish 'B...b...but Trump' up your ass, ignorant gaslighting troll. Biden is a corrupt head of a criminal family that wallowed in the corruption in Ukraine to make money.

Let the sheeple be.

Losers will be losers in war too.....don't pay attention to them...they are worthless

 

[SavannahMann]

We are part of NATO. We are not NATO. Let NATO step up, give / do more. We have done put part.

Shove your childish 'B...b...but Trump' up your ass, ignorant gaslighting troll. Biden is a corrupt head of a criminal family that wallowed in the corruption in Ukraine to make money.

NATO is doing. The Brits, Germans, Belgians, heck everyone has sent weapons and munitions. It is how we learned the British Anti Tank missile worked as well as ours despite being cheaper, lighter, and easier to use.

What weapons are being given to Ukraine by the UK? - BBC News

Ukraine and the UK have been discussing weapons supplies ahead of an expected Ukrainian counter-offensive

www.bbc.com

German Leopard II tanks are in the conflict. Heck I think the Brits sent some tanks too.

Ukraine war: Germany sends much-awaited Leopard tanks - BBC News

The first 18 of the cutting-edge tanks are sent, amid reports UK Challenger 2s have also arrived.

www.bbc.com

Poland gave several Mig-29 aircraft.

Poland bid to re-export MiG-29s to Ukraine wins quick German approval

Approval was granted by Berlin on the same day that Warsaw asked for permission.

www.defensenews.com

I guess they didn’t cover that at the RW CT websites.

 

[easyt65]

Childish ? Who abandoned the Kurds ? Who abandoned the Afghanis ? Yes, you guessed it, the coward trump. That is about as childish and selfish as a person could get.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.....

 

[easyt65]

NATO is doing. The Brits, Germans, Belgians, heck everyone has sent weapons and munitions. It is how we learned the British Anti Tank missile worked as well as ours despite being cheaper, lighter, and easier to use.

What weapons are being given to Ukraine by the UK? - BBC News

Ukraine and the UK have been discussing weapons supplies ahead of an expected Ukrainian counter-offensive

www.bbc.com

German Leopard II tanks are in the conflict. Heck I think the Brits sent some tanks too.

Ukraine war: Germany sends much-awaited Leopard tanks - BBC News

The first 18 of the cutting-edge tanks are sent, amid reports UK Challenger 2s have also arrived.

www.bbc.com

Poland gave several Mig-29 aircraft.

Poland bid to re-export MiG-29s to Ukraine wins quick German approval

Approval was granted by Berlin on the same day that Warsaw asked for permission.

www.defensenews.com

I guess they didn’t cover that at the RW CT websites.

The US is $32 Trillion in debt. That's $32 Trillion we would have to pay off just to be broke. Our politicians' efforts in Ukr a ine have resulte in a Democrat-Ukraine Ponzi scheme that lined the pockets of corrupt Ukraine and Democrat politocians, added more debt, and has put US weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Where the F* is the UN, btw? Handling / stopping International conflicts like this, especially when Putin has been branded a war criminal for massacring citizens, is one if the reasons they were formed. They are useless as ... Biden.

Sorry my lack of support for Ukraine has triggered you guys.



If we weren't $32T in debt, weren't being overrun and physically/financially overwhelmed by Biden's/Democrats' illegal invasion, weren't led by a proven dementia-ravaged, corrupt, criminal traitorous potatohead, if our own country wasn"t/ being run like a Socialist authoritarian 3rd world banana republic by the Democrats' corrupt 2-tiered justice system then perhaps I would hive a crap more about Biden's/Democrats' proxy war against Russia while they ignore / pander to China.

 

[Stann]

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.....

So says the blind man.

 

[SavannahMann]

The US is $32 Trillion in debt. That's $32 Trillion we would have to pay off just to be broke. Our politicians' efforts in Ukr a ine have resulte in a Democrat-Ukraine Ponzi scheme that lined the pockets of corrupt Ukraine and Democrat politocians, added more debt, and has put US weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Where the F* is the UN, btw? Handling / stopping International conflicts like this, especially when Putin has been branded a war criminal for massacring citizens, is one if the reasons they were formed. They are useless as ... Biden.

Sorry my lack of support for Ukraine has triggered you guys.



If we weren't $32T in debt, weren't being overrun and physically/financially overwhelmed by Biden's/Democrats' illegal invasion, weren't led by a proven dementia-ravaged, corrupt, criminal traitorous potatohead, if our own country wasn"t/ being run like a Socialist authoritarian 3rd world banana republic by the Democrats' corrupt 2-tiered justice system then perhaps I would hive a crap more about Biden's/Democrats' proxy war against Russia while they ignore / pander to China.

I don’t find your lack of support troubling. The First Amendment gives you the right to support or oppose anything your heart desires. When I read posts like yours, it isn’t your opinions or you expressing them that offends. My first thought is always God Bless the First Amendment.

What I do find troubling is the allegations and assertions made. What I can’t decide is if you are ignorant, or dishonest. I’m sadly leaning towards Dishonest. You pouted and declared that NATO wasn’t doing anything. I posted link after link showing what NATO was doing. Thus disproving your allegation. You replied to it, without acknowledging that anyone else was doing anything. Instead you launch on another rant about Immigration, and then the UN.

Now, here again you could well be ignorant, but that level of ignorance would be hard to fathom. I suppose it is possible. The Security Council is the only portion of the UN that can authorize military force in the name of the United Nations. The five permanent Members are able to Veto that action. Those members are the United States, Great Britain, Canada, China, and Russia. So Russia was able to, and did in fact Veto the call to authorize Military Force at the Security Council.

Russia vetoes Security Council resolution condemning attempted annexation of Ukraine regions

Russia on Friday vetoed a Security Council resolution which described its attempts to unlawfully annex four regions of Ukraine earlier in the day with a formal ceremony in Moscow, as “a threat to international peace and security”, demanding that the decision be immediately and unconditionally...

news.un.org

I guess you were busy last September when this was done. Perhaps you didn’t read it on the Radical news sites you tend to focus upon.

So the action went to the General Assembly. That organization can only condemn the actions. It can’t authorize action. There the members overwhelmingly voted to condemn the actions of Russia.

Again all of this is easily found, you could have spent less time ranting and more time learning if you had used Google to look it up. Even reading the first couple lines in the Search Results, without following the links, would have given you some knowledge.

Now, here again, I don’t know if you are aware, and are just being dishonest as you pout that you want more action on immigration. I suspect if Biden deployed every national guardsman in the nation to the border, you would find something else to whine about.

When Trump was in his first year. I remember writing a post where I mocked the Democrats knee jerk idiocy about opposing condemning Trump automatically. I now say the same thing about the right. If Biden healed a wounded veteran by laying hands on him, you idiots on the right would demand that he be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license.

Biden like the shoplifting discussion earlier, had begun the administration focusing on the serious criminals. The drug dealers, the gang members, and the real threats. Now, he’s reversed that and arrests are actually up by nearly 50% as are deportations, and you aren’t happy yet. I suspect you won’t be happy short of a minefield along the border. Even then you would rant and rave that the minefield wasn’t good enough.

So regarding NATO and the UN. Are you ignorant of what is really going on? Or are you just dishonest and lying about this stuff to your fellow radicals on the Right here on the Message board?

 

[Stann]

The US is $32 Trillion in debt. That's $32 Trillion we would have to pay off just to be broke. Our politicians' efforts in Ukr a ine have resulte in a Democrat-Ukraine Ponzi scheme that lined the pockets of corrupt Ukraine and Democrat politocians, added more debt, and has put US weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Where the F* is the UN, btw? Handling / stopping International conflicts like this, especially when Putin has been branded a war criminal for massacring citizens, is one if the reasons they were formed. They are useless as ... Biden.

Sorry my lack of support for Ukraine has triggered you guys.



If we weren't $32T in debt, weren't being overrun and physically/financially overwhelmed

The worse crime our government does is give money away to help feed the world. It solves the problem for the day. Then these people go out and have more children and the cycle gets even worse because now the numbers are even greater. If we allowed nature to take it's course there would be no problem.Amd we would have no debt. But I have to wonder how we would feel living in a world like that. Human beings need challenges and when there aren't any, we make some up. So the big question is will we merely survive or will we thrive.

 

[easyt65]

You pouted and declared that NATO wasn’t doing anything. I posted link after link showing what NATO was doing. Thus disproving your allegation. You replied to it, without acknowledging that anyone else was doing anything.

Want a pat on the back for links about NATO helping Ukraine? Ok, Kudos. NATO is helping. They should be. They should be leadi g tbe effort and doing the majority, the lion's share.

The US has done its good deeds, saved tbe world times over, and Trump had to pressure them to finally get them to pay their promised fair share for their own defense.

The US has been the most generous, most giving, most supportive nation in the world. We have liberated, rebuilt, and funded nations all over the world. We have sacrificed countless numbers of American lives ... and the TRUTH is most of them would NEVER do the same for us.

As I said, Ukraine, a former state of the USSR, is a nation that is filled with corrupt as hell politicians and people, which is why corrupt politicians ad criminals floclrd to Ukraine. It is why Biden maneuvered his way into being over Ukraine under Obama to begin with. He and his family, corrupt as hell, engaged in self-enriching corruption & crime.

Again, as I said, in the middle of BUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of US citizens' tax dollars going to their country to save it and their people, the corrupt, criminal Ukrainian Politicians and corrupt, criminal Democrats devised a plan - a Ponzi Scheme - to RIP OFF, STEAL FROM, those generous, selfless Americans,li ing their pockets with Tax dollars.
- It was exposed, revealed, the head of the Ponzi scheme arrested, Zelensky reportedly fired his corrupt Ukrainian politicians, while the criminal f*ing Democrats who took the money were NOT punished but 'promised' to return the money they took.
*** Give me a F*ING BREAK! NOTHING happened to them, no accountability.

Sorry, but at that point my 'over-generous nature' to the country I was eager to help pretty much dried up when corrupt Ukrainians took our supplies, took.our aid, took our munitions, took our weapons, accepted our help tracking down and killing Russian Generals, and then still tried to "f* us' by stealing our money.


we did put part, despite being $32 TRILLION IN DEBT. Let NSTO and the rest of the European nations deal with Russia in Ukraine.

Instead you launch on another rant about Immigration, and then the UN.

RANT? Do you even know what the U.N.charter says,why it was created to begin with, what its purpose is suppose to be?

The purposes of the United Nations, as set forth in the Charter are:

• to maintain international peace and security

- WHERE THE F* IS THE U.N. IN UKRAINE?

• to cooperate in solving international economic, social, cultural and humanitarian problems and in promoting respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms

Russia has SLAUGHTERED Ukrainian civiians, earning Putin officially being named as a WANTED WAR CRIMINAL. Have they sent troops, created a 'No-Combat Zone' in Ukraine, done anything to try to STOP the illegal war? NO.

I will give the UN some credit:

'The UN has been stepping up to deliver lifesaving aid to those in need by providing emergency food, water, shelter, and medical care to the most vulnerable, including women, children, and the elderly.'

I know all about this because friends / teammates I have served with traveled at their own expense to Ukraine to.help deliver medical supplies and feed ppeople.if mot gor still recoverong I would have gone.

STILL there is a lot more the UN cpuld be doing, such as:

• to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in attaining these common ends

Do you know how much money, how.many ti.es we have militarily led U N military ops, how many times we have carried the lion's share if their burden?




I geel gor the Ukrainian people, I do; however, we ate nearly $32 trillion in debt, our coutry is being invaded, its going to shit in large part to corrupt, criminal, treasonous, socialist authoritarian policies of corrupt, criminal, treasonous politicians protected by corrupt, criminal, treasonous abusive govt agencies.

The President of the US is a proven corrupt, cri.inal,influence-peddling douchebag who became rich in part because because if the corruptness of Ukraine, and he and Democrats, again, giving money hand-over-fist to Ukraine was were caught not long ago F*ING US citizens, stealing their money and stuffing their pockets with our tax dollars.


You want us to shrug that off after there was no accountability, trust them, and keep giving them MORE money?


How about this -- You have Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and the other criminals who took money from this tax payer-funded Ponzi scheme BOOTED OUT OF THE US GOVT, despite the fact they should all go to jail, & I will fully support sending more US money, supplies, and weapons to Ukraine ...

...as long as the Biden administratiom can guarantee no more US weapons ends up in rhe hands of international terrorists and / or dtug cartels.

 

[Stann]

RANT

 

[easyt65]

...bot

 

[SavannahMann]

Want a pat on the back for links about NATO helping Ukraine? Ok, Kudos. NATO is helping. They should be. They should be leadi g tbe effort and doing the majority, the lion's share.

The US has done its good deeds, saved tbe world times over, and Trump had to pressure them to finally get them to pay their promised fair share for their own defense.

The US has been the most generous, most giving, most supportive nation in the world. We have liberated, rebuilt, and funded nations all over the world. We have sacrificed countless numbers of American lives ... and the TRUTH is most of them would NEVER do the same for us.

As I said, Ukraine, a former state of the USSR, is a nation that is filled with corrupt as hell politicians and people, which is why corrupt politicians ad criminals floclrd to Ukraine. It is why Biden maneuvered his way into being over Ukraine under Obama to begin with. He and his family, corrupt as hell, engaged in self-enriching corruption & crime.

Again, as I said, in the middle of BUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of US citizens' tax dollars going to their country to save it and their people, the corrupt, criminal Ukrainian Politicians and corrupt, criminal Democrats devised a plan - a Ponzi Scheme - to RIP OFF, STEAL FROM, those generous, selfless Americans,li ing their pockets with Tax dollars.
- It was exposed, revealed, the head of the Ponzi scheme arrested, Zelensky reportedly fired his corrupt Ukrainian politicians, while the criminal f*ing Democrats who took the money were NOT punished but 'promised' to return the money they took.
*** Give me a F*ING BREAK! NOTHING happened to them, no accountability.

Sorry, but at that point my 'over-generous nature' to the country I was eager to help pretty much dried up when corrupt Ukrainians took our supplies, took.our aid, took our munitions, took our weapons, accepted our help tracking down and killing Russian Generals, and then still tried to "f* us' by stealing our money.


we did put part, despite being $32 TRILLION IN DEBT. Let NSTO and the rest of the European nations deal with Russia in Ukraine.




RANT? Do you even know what the U.N.charter says,why it was created to begin with, what its purpose is suppose to be?

The purposes of the United Nations, as set forth in the Charter are:

• to maintain international peace and security

- WHERE THE F* IS THE U.N. IN UKRAINE?

• to cooperate in solving international economic, social, cultural and humanitarian problems and in promoting respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms

Russia has SLAUGHTERED Ukrainian civiians, earning Putin officially being named as a WANTED WAR CRIMINAL. Have they sent troops, created a 'No-Combat Zone' in Ukraine, done anything to try to STOP the illegal war? NO.

I will give the UN some credit:

'The UN has been stepping up to deliver lifesaving aid to those in need by providing emergency food, water, shelter, and medical care to the most vulnerable, including women, children, and the elderly.'

I know all about this because friends / teammates I have served with traveled at their own expense to Ukraine to.help deliver medical supplies and feed ppeople.if mot gor still recoverong I would have gone.

STILL there is a lot more the UN cpuld be doing, such as:

• to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in attaining these common ends

Do you know how much money, how.many ti.es we have militarily led U N military ops, how many times we have carried the lion's share if their burden?




I geel gor the Ukrainian people, I do; however, we ate nearly $32 trillion in debt, our coutry is being invaded, its going to shit in large part to corrupt, criminal, treasonous, socialist authoritarian policies of corrupt, criminal, treasonous politicians protected by corrupt, criminal, treasonous abusive govt agencies.

The President of the US is a proven corrupt, cri.inal,influence-peddling douchebag who became rich in part because because if the corruptness of Ukraine, and he and Democrats, again, giving money hand-over-fist to Ukraine was were caught not long ago F*ING US citizens, stealing their money and stuffing their pockets with our tax dollars.


You want us to shrug that off after there was no accountability, trust them, and keep giving them MORE money?


How about this -- You have Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and the other criminals who took money from this tax payer-funded Ponzi scheme BOOTED OUT OF THE US GOVT, despite the fact they should all go to jail, & I will fully support sending more US money, supplies, and weapons to Ukraine ...

...as long as the Biden administratiom can guarantee no more US weapons ends up in rhe hands of international terrorists and / or dtug cartels.

Hi Boys and Girls. Today’s word is Disingenuous. Can you say Disingenuous? I thought you could.

Your entire Rant is nonsense. It is. Oh you’ll offer conditional support, and if those conditions were met, you would come up with other conditions that had to be met. Moving the goal line, or ala Lucy and Charlie Brown, moving the football.

I posted what the UN did. All but 5 nations voted to condemn Russia for the invasion and demand they return to their own borders. All but five. I’ll let you guess the five.

This has resulted in aide, weapons, supplies, material moving to Ukraine. It has resulted in crippling economic sanctions in Russia. And their economy is shot. Their aviation industry will never recover. A whole sector of their economy is shot. Their image as a serious military power, completely destroyed by an enemy they outnumber ten to one.

The truth is if Trump was in office, and this shit happened, you would be backing him if he ordered the Navy to bomb the crap out of Russian forces. You would be denouncing anyone who disagreed as unpatriotic and traitors. And don’t pretend you wouldn’t.

Your hatred of all things Democratic has you opposing this for “fiscal” reasons eh? Bullshit. I love you Fiscal Conservatives. When a Republican is in office, you want to expand military spending, expand spending in dozens of areas, somehow it would all be paid for by cuts to Welfare and the National Endowment for the Arts. I’m not sure how, since you would spend that money ten times over before Monday was done, but hey, you have your fantasies.

I don’t remember any of you Fiscal Conservatives arguing we couldn’t afford tax cuts. I heard a lot about how the tax cuts would result in greater tax revenues..

Extending Trump Tax Cuts Would Add $3.5 Trillion to the Deficit, According to CBO | U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget

The Official U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget

www.budget.senate.gov

We can’t afford that money can we? So we have to roll back those Tax Cuts don’t we? Nope. All Republicans are the same. Let someone else pay for it. The poor. The schools, screw ‘em.

So take your phony fiscal conservative bullshit, and fertilize your garden with it. It ain’t flying here.

If you were serious about cutting the debt, the first thing you would do is the same thing everyone else does. Cut spending and increase income. You guys always want to cut income, and cut someone else’s spending. A program you want, well that can be funded beyond any sanity.

I hate liars. And Fiscal Conservatives are the worst liars of all. Because they are always silent as mice when the Republicans are in charge.

 

[easyt65]

Hi Boys and Girls. Today’s word is Disingenuous. Can you say Disingenuous? I thought you could.

So you could not follow, do not acknowledge all the different things gping on simultaneously at different levels, all of which touch and affect the others. If you want 'simple', 'neat', 'organized' then stay in your bubble. The world is not simple. It is neither neat nor orderly.

Anyone who tells you they can 'lay it out simply' for you is lying, and if you believe everything is simple you're a dupe.

Go back to your simple view / opinion of how the world is. It is all you've proven you can handle.

Let's just say 'we agree to disagree' to save your ego / your self-esteem....or just don't read any more of my posts, put me on ignore. I don't care.

 

[easyt65]

The worse crime our government does is give money away to help feed the world...

While ignoring the homeless, hungry, struggling American citizens.

We give away hundreds of billions of dollars to study cats in Russia, equity in China, fight proxy wars in Ukraine, claim to kill terrorist leadwrs while striking scholl buses filled with children, take in millions of illegals and pay for their every need, acting as of they have money to burn and can save the rest of the world whe refusing to focus on savimg their / our own country and tbeir / our own citizens.

'Feeding tbe rest of the world' may be the least of our 'sins'.

 

[Stann]

While ignoring the homeless, hungry, struggling American citizens.

We give away hundreds of billions of dollars to study cats in Russia, equity in China, fight proxy wars in Ukraine, claim to kill terrorist leadwrs while striking scholl buses filled with children, take in millions of illegals and pay for their every need, acting as of they have money to burn and can save the rest of the world whe refusing to focus on savimg their / our own country and tbeir / our own citizens.

'Feeding tbe rest of the world' may be the least of our 'sins'.

Most of those studies are done in the US and they are tied into other bills ( pork roll bills ) and guess what over 75% of those fraudulent studies are done in republican-majority southern states. That should tell you who's behind big ( and useless ) government spending.

 

[ralfy]

Are you Russian?

No.

 

[ralfy]

Ukraine is the good guy in this scenario. You and the Russian leadership need shock therapy to knock some sense into you.

That's what the U.S. did, which is why Ukraine and Russia fell apart.

 

[ralfy]

Unfortunately he sounds like some screwed up Gaelic or Scandinavian twerp.

I'm neither. But what's the point of this? This forum has no ID verification or verification of background.

 

[Stann]

That's what the U.S. did, which is why Ukraine and Russia fell apart.

More likely all the Russian plots to undermine the Ukrainian government plus the genocide probably didn't help matters and all the years of abuse from the Soviets. There's nothing to like about the Russians.

 

[ralfy]

Ukraine is one if the 15 nations that split from the USSR when it dissolved. It became a hotbed for corruption, a agnet for self-serving, corrupt politicians seeking to make criminal buck through bribes and influence peddling.

Biden got himself appointed over Ukraine as Obama's VP, seeing dollar signs in his eyes. His grifter son and brother dove head-1st into influence peddling and ever other corrupt scheme they got into using Joe's name to do so.

Even in the midst of war with Russia corrupt Ukrainans participated intbe Democrats 'For Ukraine' Ponzi scheme that lined the Videns' Democrats' and corrupt Ukrainians' pockets.

- Zalensky supposedly fired a lot of them in his govt, but the fact that the Ukrainian people / govt we were helping out by sending them billions of dollars and weapons engaged in a scheme to screw tax dollars out of Americans was enough to piss me off & tell them to fend for themselves.

Weapons we sentvto Ukraine ended up in tbe hands of African terrorists hands. Mow there is a report out that US shoulder-launched rockets have ended up in the hands of Mexican Drug Cartels. It was bad enough when Barry ran automatic weapons and grenades to them. Now under Biden its more sophisticated weapons.

I got fed up with Barry running weapons to terrorists out of Benghazi after that f*ing disaster he and Hillary let go down. Enough is enough! If we can't keep.our weapons out of the hands of some really evil assholes we shouldn't be giving them to anyone.

Ukraine is in an extremely slow death spiral. They aren't going to defeat Russia. Postpone it, yes. Stop it - no.

While the US is running out of weapons systems, munitions, etc... f*ing around in Ukraine we are waisting out resources and war-fighter readiness to respond to when China finally decides to take Taiwan.

You nailed it.

FWIW, they or their relatives or accomplices (and the same for their political opponents) were making various deals with businesses in different countries, i.e., not just in Ukraine but also in China and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, the 10 pct of Americans that own 70 pct of wealth in the U.S. were also doing similar, if not profiting from weapons sales to generally anyone who bought (e.g., the U.S. provided military aid to or engaged in deals with Israel but also to or with Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia) and offered loans or financial aid with strings attached, like what the IMF-WB was doing for decades.

The goobers in this forum aren't aware of these, thinking that it's all about "good vs. evil", with the U.S. "good guys" helping the "free" world freely against "tyranny," even though the same U.S. routinely worked with dictators and had no qualms having countries like Saudi Arabia and China as trading partners. The same goes for the EU. Both sold weapons to both sides, made deals with various businessmen regardless of ideological views, etc., for profit or to protect U.S. interests, which in turn protected the petrodollar.

 

[ralfy]

More likely all the Russian plots to undermine the Ukrainian government plus the genocide probably didn't help matters and all the years of abuse from the Soviets. There's nothing to like about the Russians.

Right, just like Clinton defying Kennan and essentially following the Wolfowitz Doctrine.