Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?

[Uncensored2008]

Communism by definition has to be democratic, egalitarian, and employ the rule of law for justice.
Only capitalism throws that all out in favor of profits by any means.
So robbing banks is exactly capitalist.
The Nazis were also totally capitalist.
The closest to a point would have been if you have also pointed out Stalin was capitalist.

You're totally a fucktard.

“We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!”​

― Gregor Strasser, minister (Oberfuhrer) of economics in Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

 

[Richard-H]

I totally disagree.
Fascism has always existed.
It is just the wealthy secretly selling out the poor masses.
All colonial imperialists are fascist, including the US.
If we were not fascist, then we would have lied about the USS Maine, so we could illegally invade Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, etc.
There is nothing remotely unique about Mussolini's or Hitler fascism.
They were a coalition of the aristocracy, military, and corporations.
The only difference is the ancient Romans switch corporations for the priesthood.

And there was no society more evil than ancient Rome.
Not only did they invade and enslave most of the world, but then tortured and used those captives for sport.

Sound like you use the word 'Fascist' to mean anybody that you don't like or any horrible thing that any nation does.

That's not what it means:

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Confederate Soldier]

There is something in actions of Ukrainian rulers what is absolutely incomprehensible for me.
They always declared that Crimea – where 67.9% of population are ethnic Russians - is Ukrainian territory, but at the same time the Ukrainian rulers passed the laws which turn ethnic Russians into citizens of the “third-rate” (please see the first post of the thread).

In addition, Ukraine intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join NATO etc.

What reaction of the Russian government and ethnic Russians in Crimea did the Ukrainian rulers expect in such a situation?

There you go with the ethnic bullshit. When America was founded, the vast majority of the population was English. Ethnic English. We armed ourselves to the teeth, and proclaimed we didn't want to fight, we wanted to separate peacefully.


To me, it seems you're being the one who likes to racialize things with the ethnic crap you spout.


If you're a "ethnic" Russian, living in Ukraine, you are Ukrainian citizen. If you are an ethnic German (such as myself) living in Pennsylvania, you are a Pennsylvanian American citizen. If you are ethnically South African living in Turkey, you're a fuckin' Turkish citizen now! You follow Ukrainian laws, State and Federal American laws, and Turkish laws. Your "home nation" has nothing to do with you, and does not have control over you if you are living in a different nation!



Russia has NO RIGHT and NO BUSINESS invading Ukraine, based on the racial groups living there. THAT is NAZI!

 

[Rigby5]

Still waiting on that link to the 1991 treaty between Ukraine and Russia.

As I have said several times now, the negotiations started in 1990 and continued on until 1993, when they finally finished dealing with the nukes. There were dozens of meetings and treaties. But they are NOT public. The only way I know about anything they discussed is from the public press releases, which you can look up as easily as I can.

 

[Rigby5]

Serious question, are you on drugs?

Anyone who thinks there has ever been a Marxist nations has to be on drugs.

 

[Rigby5]

Sound like you use the word 'Fascist' to mean anybody that you don't like or any horrible thing that any nation does.

That's not what it means:

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, the Romans liked the wealthy elite because they considered them superior people.
Just like white supremacists consider themselves to be superior.
All people who are wealthy and successful tend to fool themselves into believing they deserve it some how.
But we should know better, and we should be more egalitarian than the fascists.
Lots of naive people just focus on the nationalism of fascist, but nationalism is just a false front.
The reality is that nationalism is used to whip up the common cause with the poor, but in reality the wealthy elite do not at all care about the poor or the nation, and are just out for their own profits.

 

[Rigby5]

There you go with the ethnic bullshit. When America was founded, the vast majority of the population was English. Ethnic English. We armed ourselves to the teeth, and proclaimed we didn't want to fight, we wanted to separate peacefully.


To me, it seems you're being the one who likes to racialize things with the ethnic crap you spout.


If you're a "ethnic" Russian, living in Ukraine, you are Ukrainian citizen. If you are an ethnic German (such as myself) living in Pennsylvania, you are a Pennsylvanian American citizen. If you are ethnically South African living in Turkey, you're a fuckin' Turkish citizen now! You follow Ukrainian laws, State and Federal American laws, and Turkish laws. Your "home nation" has nothing to do with you, and does not have control over you if you are living in a different nation!



Russia has NO RIGHT and NO BUSINESS invading Ukraine, based on the racial groups living there. THAT is NAZI!

Wrong.
The ethnic Russians living in almost half of the Ukraine, should be allowed independence under the principles of local autonomy. They were not originally part of the Ukraine, did not wish to join the Ukraine, and were forced to by Khrushchev, a Ukrainian. The Ukraine has no right at all to any of the Russian provinces in the east. The Russians there would likely have eventually blended in if Kyiv had not been so deliberately racist, violent, and discriminatory.
Given the crimes committed by Kyiv, it is Kyiv who no longer has any right to exist any longer, and the government has to be totally and completely changed. None of those in power in Kyiv now should be allowed to be free for a very long time in prison.

 

[Rigby5]

You're totally a fucktard.

“We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today’s capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!”​

― Gregor Strasser, minister (Oberfuhrer) of economics in Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

That is very ignorant.
Gregor Strasser was a member of the SA who was killed by Hitler during the "Night of the Long Knives" in 1933, and he was NEVER a minister in any government, was never under Adolf Hitler because he died before Hitler was granted any power, and died before there was a Nazi Germany.
You obviously just got that from a mindless search. Don't always believe what you run into on the internet.

{... Gregor Strasser (also German: Straßer, see ß; 31 May 1892 – 30 June 1934) was an early prominent German Nazi official and politician who was murdered during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934. ...}

Gregor Strasser - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[g5000]

As I have said several times now, the negotiations started in 1990 and continued on until 1993, when they finally finished dealing with the nukes. There were dozens of meetings and treaties. But they are NOT public. The only way I know about anything they discussed is from the public press releases, which you can look up as easily as I can.

So...you made it up.

Link to the public press releases. YOU made the claim. Now support it.

 

[munkle]

Here is who we are supporting.

Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of Svoboda. Once said: "[You are the ones] that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears most" and "They were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic guns on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the Muscovites, Germans, Jews and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state."

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Here is who we are supporting.

Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of Svoboda. Once said: "[You are the ones] that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears most" and "They were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic guns on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the Muscovites, Germans, Jews and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian state."

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And this is who you support. Neo-Nazi russians.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is very ignorant.
Gregor Strasser was a member of the SA who was killed by Hitler during the "Night of the Long Knives" in 1933, and he was NEVER a minister in any government, was never under Adolf Hitler because he died before Hitler was granted any power, and died before there was a Nazi Germany.
You obviously just got that from a mindless search. Don't always believe what you run into on the internet.

{... Gregor Strasser (also German: Straßer, see ß; 31 May 1892 – 30 June 1934) was an early prominent German Nazi official and politician who was murdered during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934. ...}

Gregor Strasser - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1934 moron.

He served for about 3 years.

Learn some history. The Nazis were exactly what they said they were - socialists. Fascism is a form of socialism, idiot.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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And this is who you support. Neo-Nazi russians.

There is no false dichotomy.

Both sides suck. Putin is the aggressor, so deserves the most pain. But we ALL know Zelensky is a corrupt gangster - Quid Pro's partner in crime.

I read that Putin had been poisoned and do really hope it's a painful death. That sure doesn't mean I have to support that scumbag Zelensky.

 

[skye]

The Dims support the Ukraine because this is where all the millions are laundered and they get their cuts.

BINGO!!!

 

[skye]

Let's not forget that Cocaine Mitch had his daughter on the Burisma board too. The Swamp has used Ukraine to embezzle foreign aid for decades. Hillary set the scheme up back when she was SOS under Barry da Fairy.

Yes, That's true.

Ukraine is (or was after is finished ) the most corrupt country on this planet.

Filth.

 

[g5000]

BINGO!!!

Investigators detail Manafort money from Ukrainian corruption, Russian oligarch | CNN Politics

New court documents in Paul Manafort's criminal case give the fullest picture yet of what prosecutors say was the former Trump campaign chairman's financial reliance on Ukrainians suspected of corruption and a Russian oligarch, while he allegedly schemed to defraud banks and the US government.

www.cnn.com

New court documents in Paul Manafort’s criminal case give the fullest picture yet of what prosecutors say was the former Trump campaign chairman’s financial reliance on Ukrainians suspected of corruption and a Russian oligarch, while he allegedly schemed to defraud banks and the US government.

[snip]

Prosecutors have previously said Manafort engaged in a money laundering conspiracy after he hid his foreign lobbying activities. But the newly unredacted parts of the search warrants for the first time connect Manafort and his longtime deputy Rick Gates to alleged Ukrainian government corruption.

“Based on reporting from multiple sources, the FBI believes that Yanukovych’s government engages in systemic public corruption. The same sources report that corrupt government officials and their allies in the business community during Yanukovych’s presidency looted Ukraine’s public coffers of millions of dollars and funneled those assets to foreign bank accounts to hide the embezzlement,” an FBI affidavit used to obtain one of the warrants says.

Paul Manafort: Ex-Trump campaign chief jailed for fraud

Paul Manafort's 47-month sentence is far shorter than what prosecutors had demanded.

www.bbc.com

US President Donald Trump's ex-campaign manager Paul Manafort has been given a 47-month prison sentence for fraud.

He was convicted last year of hiding millions of dollars of income earned by his political consulting in Ukraine.

 

[g5000]

Yes, That's true.

Ukraine is (or was after is finished ) the most corrupt country on this planet.

Filth.

Top 10 Most Corrupt Countries in the World (2021 Best Countries rankings):​

1. Iraq
2. Colombia
3. Mexico
4. Brazil
5. Russia
6. Guatemala
7. Kazakhstan
8. Lebanon
9. El Salvador
10. Azerbaijan

Most Corrupt Countries 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Confederate Soldier]

There is no false dichotomy.

Both sides suck. Putin is the aggressor, so deserves the most pain. But we ALL know Zelensky is a corrupt gangster - Quid Pro's partner in crime.

I read that Putin had been poisoned and do really hope it's a painful death. That sure doesn't mean I have to support that scumbag Zelensky.

Zelensky isn't perfect, but I don't think he's corrupt. As for poisoned Putin, I highly doubt it. It would be wall to wall news coverage.

 

[skye]

How do you expect the DemonicRats to launder our tax dollars and funnel them back to the DNC, without the help of Nazi-esque traitors and puppets???????

Oh yeah! Second BINGO of the day!

 

[AZrailwhale]

If Pennsylvania were an independent state and made territorial claims to a region which Germany considers its own; and if at the same time Pennsylvania intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join a military alliance etc., couldn’t Germany consider Pennsylvania as a threat?

And if Germany could consider Pennsylvania as a threat, wouldn’t Germany have the right to start a military operation against Pennsylvania?

In 2003 the U.S. decided that Iraq was a threat to the U.S. and therefore the U.S. invaded Iraq and occupied it for 8 years – till December 2011.

In 1982 Israel decided that Lebanon was a threat to Israel and therefore Israel invaded Lebanon and occupied the Southern part of this country for 18 years – till May 2000.

And so on.

Actually THE UN decided Iraq was a threat to world peace after It invaded and conquered Kuwait and was preparing to conquer Saudi Arabia. But keep on editing actual history if it makes you feel better.