Why do the right struggle with the concept of hate crime ?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe because Blacks don't commit many hate crimes.

How many do they commit? Link?

Anecdotal. Based on a lack of such reporting from FAUX News.

Your claim was anecdotal? Cool!

 

[protectionist]

Did he turn toward the cop, or was he just digging around for his license?

Did not turn toward the cop. Cop doesn't know what he's "digging for", only that his hand(s) have disappeared from the cop's view. No more questions, Answer MY question.

 

[protectionist]

Why do the right struggle with the concept of hate crime ?

They don't struggle with the concept, they just don't care about the concept. Same thing with Affirmative Action...they get it. They just don't care.

You say the right doesn't care about Affirmative Action ? Whaaaat ????????

 

[AFrench2]

Why do the right struggle with the concept of hate crime ?

They don't struggle with the concept, they just don't care about the concept. Same thing with Affirmative Action...they get it. They just don't care.

You say the right doesn't care about Affirmative Action ? Whaaaat ????????

Yes. The right understands that minorities have been underrepresented in the U.S. since day 1 and that Affirmative Action is a small attempt to help with that fact. They just don't care

 

[protectionist]

Yes. The right understands that minorities have been underrepresented in the U.S. since day 1 and that Affirmative Action is a small attempt to help with that fact. They just don't care

You don't know what you're talking about. Fact is, as a white person YOU ARE oppressed, and YOU ARE discriminated against in this society. Are you so immersed in the leftist OMISSION media, that you are unaware of the discrimination against you in Affirmative Action ? Do you not know how prevalent it is ? Are you unaware that this is the largest racial discrimination in America, against (by far) the largest number of people ?

Are you unaware that hundreds of millions of whites have had their entire lives ruined by being deprived of jobs, job promotions, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, government contracts, etc., etc. ? Are you unaware that even in retirement, after 50 years of discrimination in the workplace, whites still suffer the effects of their discrimination, by then having much reduced Social Security benefit rates ?

Amazing, how ignorant information-deprived liberals can be, as a result of getting all their information from liberal OMISSION media sources, and university distortion, and nowhere else.

If you think that whites have the most wealth and power, try visiting your local VA hospital and look at the racial composition of its employees (doctors, administrators, nurses, technicians, etc). In the one that I go to, there are 16,000+ employees. I have been treated there for 15 years. I have seen thousands of employees. Most are black. Many are Indian doctors, Arab, Hispanic. Of these thousands of employees, I can recall seeing 3 white males (in 15 years), and very few white females (all doctors).

Not only are minorities NOT UNDERREPRESENTED, they are massively OVERrepresented as a result of Affirmative Action.

You need to stop talking about this subject, You've been badly misled. visit you r local VA hospital, or most any other government institution. See for yourself.

 

[Orangecat]

Murder is murder, and should be punished as such. OJ shouldn't get a lighter sentence just because he loved Nicole.

 

[DukeU]

They just don't care

THIS^^^^^^^ is the reason people with common sense have a problem with "hate crimes".

It's speculation in MOST cases, and only considered a hate crime if the perpetrator is white.

Why does the left believe they can read people's minds?

Just because a black man kills a white man doesn't mean it had ANYTHING to do with race. The left have no problem accepting that as fact. What they have a problem with, is admitting that a white man can kill a minority and it not be racism also.


Race is never mentioned in this article, I wonder why?!?

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Rochester teens who allegedly set man on fire in apartment ...

 

[AFrench2]

And then you have posters like the above, who care a little *too much* about crime - to the point that black crime is all they talk about.

We call this type of person a bigot.

 

[westwall]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Because hate is a part of any crime. They ain't robbing you because they love you.

 

[westwall]

And then you have posters like the above, who care a little *too much* about crime - to the point that black crime is all they talk about.

We call this type of person a bigot.

Why? Factual reporting is not bigotry. It is a well known fact that blacks are over represented in the violent crime stats. Instead of calling people who point that out bigots, try figuring out why blacks are more violent and how to stop it.

 

[westwall]

Really frenchy? Laughing is all you can do? I know thinking is hard, but give it a try. I promise, you won't explode.

 

[LuckyDuck]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

As we know that you are an Islamic, anti-freedom shill for Communism, you of course use 2nd Amendment and firearms as your example. Perhaps we should just use a hammer for an example.
1. Attacker "A" has a hammer and has a heated argument with her coworker, friend, brother....whoever. She bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: In that moment she "HATED" the individual enough to kill him/her.
2. Attacker "B" has a hammer. When he/she sees a person that is not of the same race as him/her, he/she feels "hate," walks or runs over to the person of the other race and.....bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: He/she, fed lies for years, oddly by the very party that was the sole source of that hatred for a couple of hundred years and now tells him/her that the opposing political party is responsible for his/her victimhood. Anticipated result of lies fed to him/her, "hatred" towards anyone not of his/her race.
Summation: It doesn't matter a bit as to the cause of the attack. In either case, the bottom line was simply......hate, whether momentary or simmering for years.
And, any tool can be used to harm or kill a person.
As for firearms. More people are killed in the US by knives, blunt instruments and fists than by firearms. Sixty two percent of deaths by firearms are caused by......are you ready?......suicide. And, quite frankly taking firearms away won't change the suicide figure, only change the method.
Murder rate in Venezuela (where there is strict gun control).....drum roll.....130+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 60+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 36+ per 100,000. Belize: 37+ per 100,000. Brazil: 27+ per 100,000. South Africa: 36+ per 100,000. Switzerland: (Where per 100 people, there are an estimated 28 to 40 firearms), 0.6 per 100,000. The United States: The US was actually a quiet 4.2 per 100,000 murder rate for many years. However, when the pro-Marxist, leftist politicians stepped back and did nothing when people began looting, rioting and committing arson and deliberately told law enforcement to step down....the murder rate increased to: 16 per 100,000. Now, England/Wales does obviously beat out the US with a small 1.42% per 100,000. But, it's interesting that nearby Switzerland which compared with England, is simply awash in firearms, has a smaller number of deaths per 100,000. Evidently, England/Wales is particularly barbaric in comparison with them. Of course, we tend to keep things in perspective. The combination of England's population and Wales, amounts to about 70,000,000, whereas the population of the US is....figuring the "illegals" is close to 400,000,000. The murder rate is obviously going to be higher.
Of course, in true Socialist nations, it's really hard to determine the actual number of deaths per 100,000, as people are just whisked away and never heard from again, plus various "death squads."
Back to the topic: Hate is hate, is hate. The reason is largely irrelevant.
And, as I always say about you. You are irrelevant, as you are in England and your opinion on our freedoms don't amount to squat.

 

[there4eyeM]

Odd that the essential part of the British police statement about "hate crime" has gotten so little attention here. This category is not based upon facts or evidence; the "hate crime" is a matter of anyone 'perceiving' it to be so. Is that not blindingly obvious as fallacious?

 

[Blues Man]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Hate crimes are thought crimes.

And those two hypothetical murders are equal.

One murder is not worse than another.

 

[there4eyeM]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

Hate crimes are thought crimes.

And those two hypothetical murders are equal.

One murder is not worse than another.

Perhaps someone could perceive one to be.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

As we know that you are an Islamic, anti-freedom shill for Communism, you of course use 2nd Amendment and firearms as your example. Perhaps we should just use a hammer for an example.
1. Attacker "A" has a hammer and has a heated argument with her coworker, friend, brother....whoever. She bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: In that moment she "HATED" the individual enough to kill him/her.
2. Attacker "B" has a hammer. When he/she sees a person that is not of the same race as him/her, he/she feels "hate," walks or runs over to the person of the other race and.....bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: He/she, fed lies for years, oddly by the very party that was the sole source of that hatred for a couple of hundred years and now tells him/her that the opposing political party is responsible for his/her victimhood. Anticipated result of lies fed to him/her, "hatred" towards anyone not of his/her race.
Summation: It doesn't matter a bit as to the cause of the attack. In either case, the bottom line was simply......hate, whether momentary or simmering for years.
And, any tool can be used to harm or kill a person.
As for firearms. More people are killed in the US by knives, blunt instruments and fists than by firearms. Sixty two percent of deaths by firearms are caused by......are you ready?......suicide. And, quite frankly taking firearms away won't change the suicide figure, only change the method.
Murder rate in Venezuela (where there is strict gun control).....drum roll.....130+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 60+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 36+ per 100,000. Belize: 37+ per 100,000. Brazil: 27+ per 100,000. South Africa: 36+ per 100,000. Switzerland: (Where per 100 people, there are an estimated 28 to 40 firearms), 0.6 per 100,000. The United States: The US was actually a quiet 4.2 per 100,000 murder rate for many years. However, when the pro-Marxist, leftist politicians stepped back and did nothing when people began looting, rioting and committing arson and deliberately told law enforcement to step down....the murder rate increased to: 16 per 100,000. Now, England/Wales does obviously beat out the US with a small 1.42% per 100,000. But, it's interesting that nearby Switzerland which compared with England, is simply awash in firearms, has a smaller number of deaths per 100,000. Evidently, England/Wales is particularly barbaric in comparison with them. Of course, we tend to keep things in perspective. The combination of England's population and Wales, amounts to about 70,000,000, whereas the population of the US is....figuring the "illegals" is close to 400,000,000. The murder rate is obviously going to be higher.
Of course, in true Socialist nations, it's really hard to determine the actual number of deaths per 100,000, as people are just whisked away and never heard from again, plus various "death squads."
Back to the topic: Hate is hate, is hate. The reason is largely irrelevant.
And, as I always say about you. You are irrelevant, as you are in England and your opinion on our freedoms don't amount to squat.

So you dont get it. Never mind mate, The adults in the room get it and thats why the civilised world has laws about this sort of thing.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why do the right struggle with the concept of hate crime ?

They don't struggle with the concept, they just don't care about the concept. Same thing with Affirmative Action...they get it. They just don't care.

You say the right doesn't care about Affirmative Action ? Whaaaat ????????

Yes. The right understands that minorities have been underrepresented in the U.S. since day 1 and that Affirmative Action is a small attempt to help with that fact. They just don't care

I started this thread because I could see that a lot of right wing trash struggled with the concept of "hate crime". I tried to make it as simple as possible for them, I really did. But it just flies over their heads like a lot of other basic issues.

Its like this Father Ted clip.

 

[there4eyeM]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

As we know that you are an Islamic, anti-freedom shill for Communism, you of course use 2nd Amendment and firearms as your example. Perhaps we should just use a hammer for an example.
1. Attacker "A" has a hammer and has a heated argument with her coworker, friend, brother....whoever. She bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: In that moment she "HATED" the individual enough to kill him/her.
2. Attacker "B" has a hammer. When he/she sees a person that is not of the same race as him/her, he/she feels "hate," walks or runs over to the person of the other race and.....bashes his/her head in with the hammer.
REASON: He/she, fed lies for years, oddly by the very party that was the sole source of that hatred for a couple of hundred years and now tells him/her that the opposing political party is responsible for his/her victimhood. Anticipated result of lies fed to him/her, "hatred" towards anyone not of his/her race.
Summation: It doesn't matter a bit as to the cause of the attack. In either case, the bottom line was simply......hate, whether momentary or simmering for years.
And, any tool can be used to harm or kill a person.
As for firearms. More people are killed in the US by knives, blunt instruments and fists than by firearms. Sixty two percent of deaths by firearms are caused by......are you ready?......suicide. And, quite frankly taking firearms away won't change the suicide figure, only change the method.
Murder rate in Venezuela (where there is strict gun control).....drum roll.....130+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 60+ per 100,000. El Salvador: 36+ per 100,000. Belize: 37+ per 100,000. Brazil: 27+ per 100,000. South Africa: 36+ per 100,000. Switzerland: (Where per 100 people, there are an estimated 28 to 40 firearms), 0.6 per 100,000. The United States: The US was actually a quiet 4.2 per 100,000 murder rate for many years. However, when the pro-Marxist, leftist politicians stepped back and did nothing when people began looting, rioting and committing arson and deliberately told law enforcement to step down....the murder rate increased to: 16 per 100,000. Now, England/Wales does obviously beat out the US with a small 1.42% per 100,000. But, it's interesting that nearby Switzerland which compared with England, is simply awash in firearms, has a smaller number of deaths per 100,000. Evidently, England/Wales is particularly barbaric in comparison with them. Of course, we tend to keep things in perspective. The combination of England's population and Wales, amounts to about 70,000,000, whereas the population of the US is....figuring the "illegals" is close to 400,000,000. The murder rate is obviously going to be higher.
Of course, in true Socialist nations, it's really hard to determine the actual number of deaths per 100,000, as people are just whisked away and never heard from again, plus various "death squads."
Back to the topic: Hate is hate, is hate. The reason is largely irrelevant.
And, as I always say about you. You are irrelevant, as you are in England and your opinion on our freedoms don't amount to squat.

So you dont get it. Never mind mate, The adults in the room get it and thats why the civilised world has laws about this sort of thing.

That's how you perceive it. That is not how other do.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

I see you are still making up your own stories and trying to pretend it is reality.

 

[there4eyeM]

What is hate crime?

Find out how to identify the different types of hate crime and what you can do if you're a victim of hate crime.

www.met.police.uk

This is the argument -

If you are murdered then you are dead. The motivation is immaterial.

Which on the face of it is true. But incredibly simplistic and reflecting of a very limited view of the world.

Lets look at two murders and explain why it matters.

Murder 1 - Fred and Jim fall out over a business deal or a girl or a parking spot. Fred exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off.

Murder 2 - Jim, a black guy, is walking through a "white" neighbourhood and is spotted by Fred. Fred is immediately alarmed and exercises his 2nd amendment right and blows Jims head off. Jim isnt doing anything, he is just the wrong person in the wrong place.

Which is the worse murder ?

Of course the 2nd one is the worst due to the randomness of the act. Murder 1 happened as a result of a specific set of circumstances that would be difficult to replicate. Murder 2 could happen at any time just because Fred hates black folks.

Im not sure if I can make it any simpler for you straw sucking shit kickers.

I see you are still making up your own stories and trying to pretend it is reality.

It's all a matter of "perception".