Why do the Left Wing Liberals Hate Corporations?

[Jarhead]

In this arena, I consistently read of unions as obsolete and union members described as "thugs". Unions are called everything from communist fronts to active arms of the Democrat party.

Perhaps...but you wont see that from me.
However....my debate has to do with whether or not I agree with you regarding the tax credits corporations receive.
Yes, some...a small percentage.....abuse them for personal gain.
But most use them appropriately.
To eliminate them would be the wrong thing to do. Enforce them better...maybe.....but I do not agree with doing becuase of the few at the cost of the many.

Then let's write into the tax code that corporations who outsource their labor overseas, employ illegal immigrants, move their means of production outside the United States no long will enjoy tax breaks. Null and void.

Who will be the Republican Governor to introduce such reform? Who will be the Republican senator to include such language in a tax bill?

Now wait a minute...

Why would you want to take away tax breaks from coporations that outsource to other countries?
Are you prepared to have the other countries do the same to us? Do you really want all of those toyota plants pulled? Sony move out? UBS? Dare I include BP? Are you aware of how many foreign companies operate plants and headquarters here in the US?
DO you really think it is wise for us to beoicme isolationists?
I thought you were past the rhetoric and truly knew that the whole outsourcing thing was just campaign dirt and not nearly as bad as the candidates made it sound.

 

[DiveCon]

Name one thing invented by Government that helped boost our GDP or created an industry and thus jobs.

Is this post a joke posted on arpa...eh, I mean the internet?

well, maybe she should have excluded NASA and the military

 

[8537]

And as for women? They are all bisexual.

and the problem is...what, exactly?

 

[shintao]

Now wait a minute...

Why would you want to take away tax breaks from coporations that outsource to other countries?

Oh yes, take away all tax breaks to American owned corporations, and don't tax them at all. Take away all regulations and let them run their free market. They can either compete, or go belly up.

Are you prepared to have the other countries do the same to us? Do you really want all of those toyota plants pulled? Sony move out? UBS? Dare I include BP? Are you aware of how many foreign companies operate plants and headquarters here in the US?
DO you really think it is wise for us to beoicme isolationists?
I thought you were past the rhetoric and truly knew that the whole outsourcing thing was just campaign dirt and not nearly as bad as the candidates made it sound.

Corporations with over 20% foreign ownership should be taxed 40% in America, based on their gross reciepts, no deduction's. Personally, I don't care if the stay or not. That is what you call Tough Love.

 

[8537]

Name one thing invented by Government that helped boost our GDP or created an industry and thus jobs.

Is this post a joke posted on arpa...eh, I mean the internet?

well, maybe she should have excluded NASA and the military

true....

she should also exclude the NIH and the dozens of federally-funded public research institutions throughout the country.

 

[Nosmo King]

Perhaps...but you wont see that from me.
However....my debate has to do with whether or not I agree with you regarding the tax credits corporations receive.
Yes, some...a small percentage.....abuse them for personal gain.
But most use them appropriately.
To eliminate them would be the wrong thing to do. Enforce them better...maybe.....but I do not agree with doing becuase of the few at the cost of the many.

Then let's write into the tax code that corporations who outsource their labor overseas, employ illegal immigrants, move their means of production outside the United States no long will enjoy tax breaks. Null and void.

Who will be the Republican Governor to introduce such reform? Who will be the Republican senator to include such language in a tax bill?

Now wait a minute...

Why would you want to take away tax breaks from coporations that outsource to other countries?
Are you prepared to have the other countries do the same to us? Do you really want all of those toyota plants pulled? Sony move out? UBS? Dare I include BP? Are you aware of how many foreign companies operate plants and headquarters here in the US?
DO you really think it is wise for us to beoicme isolationists?
I thought you were past the rhetoric and truly knew that the whole outsourcing thing was just campaign dirt and not nearly as bad as the candidates made it sound.

Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. In the late 1980s, the county granted Sony and Volkswagen huge tax incentives to locate plants there. What happened? After twenty five years or so, shouldn't we have Pennsylvanians working for Sony and VW?

Well, as it turns out, both those corporations burned through their tax incentives and then closed shop. They robbed the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania of hard earned tax dollars and split.

And the reason I want tax breaks stopped for companies that outsource work is because American tax payers provide the revenue lost to companies who erase American jobs. That's basically it. They take both tax dollars and jobs away and I don't think those are commendable actions.

I don't expect anything like nobility from corporations. But I do expect our government to look out more for American workers and their families than companies who erase work and swipe tax dollars.

 

[Jarhead]

And as for women? They are all bisexual.

and the problem is...what, exactly?

Problem?
Where did I say there is a problem?
The only problem is too many of them are afraid to admit it...so it takes us guys just too many wasted years getting them to try it.

 

[Jarhead]

Then let's write into the tax code that corporations who outsource their labor overseas, employ illegal immigrants, move their means of production outside the United States no long will enjoy tax breaks. Null and void.

Who will be the Republican Governor to introduce such reform? Who will be the Republican senator to include such language in a tax bill?

Now wait a minute...

Why would you want to take away tax breaks from coporations that outsource to other countries?
Are you prepared to have the other countries do the same to us? Do you really want all of those toyota plants pulled? Sony move out? UBS? Dare I include BP? Are you aware of how many foreign companies operate plants and headquarters here in the US?
DO you really think it is wise for us to beoicme isolationists?
I thought you were past the rhetoric and truly knew that the whole outsourcing thing was just campaign dirt and not nearly as bad as the candidates made it sound.

Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. In the late 1980s, the county granted Sony and Volkswagen huge tax incentives to locate plants there. What happened? After twenty five years or so, shouldn't we have Pennsylvanians working for Sony and VW?

Well, as it turns out, both those corporations burned through their tax incentives and then closed shop. They robbed the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania of hard earned tax dollars and split.

And the reason I want tax breaks stopped for companies that outsource work is because American tax payers provide the revenue lost to companies who erase American jobs. That's basically it. They take both tax dollars and jobs away and I don't think those are commendable actions.

I don't expect anything like nobility from corporations. But I do expect our government to look out more for American workers and their families than companies who erase work and swipe tax dollars.

Interesting.
I Need to do more research on the topic. Seems I am not qualified to deabte you on this yet....
Sorry if I wasted your time. I truly thought I knew more on this topic than I do.

 

[Nosmo King]

Now wait a minute...

Why would you want to take away tax breaks from coporations that outsource to other countries?
Are you prepared to have the other countries do the same to us? Do you really want all of those toyota plants pulled? Sony move out? UBS? Dare I include BP? Are you aware of how many foreign companies operate plants and headquarters here in the US?
DO you really think it is wise for us to beoicme isolationists?
I thought you were past the rhetoric and truly knew that the whole outsourcing thing was just campaign dirt and not nearly as bad as the candidates made it sound.

Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. In the late 1980s, the county granted Sony and Volkswagen huge tax incentives to locate plants there. What happened? After twenty five years or so, shouldn't we have Pennsylvanians working for Sony and VW?

Well, as it turns out, both those corporations burned through their tax incentives and then closed shop. They robbed the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania of hard earned tax dollars and split.

And the reason I want tax breaks stopped for companies that outsource work is because American tax payers provide the revenue lost to companies who erase American jobs. That's basically it. They take both tax dollars and jobs away and I don't think those are commendable actions.

I don't expect anything like nobility from corporations. But I do expect our government to look out more for American workers and their families than companies who erase work and swipe tax dollars.

Interesting.
I Need to do more research on the topic. Seems I am not qualified to deabte you on this yet....
Sorry if I wasted your time. I truly thought I knew more on this topic than I do.

Jarhead, I enjoy debating you more than most other Conservatives on this board. Don't sell yourself short!

 

[Jarhead]

Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. In the late 1980s, the county granted Sony and Volkswagen huge tax incentives to locate plants there. What happened? After twenty five years or so, shouldn't we have Pennsylvanians working for Sony and VW?

Well, as it turns out, both those corporations burned through their tax incentives and then closed shop. They robbed the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania of hard earned tax dollars and split.

And the reason I want tax breaks stopped for companies that outsource work is because American tax payers provide the revenue lost to companies who erase American jobs. That's basically it. They take both tax dollars and jobs away and I don't think those are commendable actions.

I don't expect anything like nobility from corporations. But I do expect our government to look out more for American workers and their families than companies who erase work and swipe tax dollars.

Interesting.
I Need to do more research on the topic. Seems I am not qualified to deabte you on this yet....
Sorry if I wasted your time. I truly thought I knew more on this topic than I do.

Jarhead, I enjoy debating you more than most other Conservatives on this board. Don't sell yourself short!

Thanks.
But noit selling myself short. I know when I am lacking in information....
The VW and Sony thing was something I was not aware of...so tonight I plan to see how that whole thing went down..
And I am here to learn..noit just be right.....besides being right all the time is getting old for me...
But I appreciate the compliment...

 

[editec]

It's not empty and non-factual at all. Unless you think the laws of your country have no effect on trade and business.

Let me make this REALLY simple for you.

Okay....

1. The economy, before religion and government existed, was a free market.

There were markets before there was capital? I think not.

2. Laws restrict and change business, trade, and finance.
3. Governments enforce laws on business trade and finance.

Therefore, my dear chum, there is no "free" market. It's always dictated by the government to varying degrees.

If you can't admit that, we need go no further.

Yup!

It positively astounds me how misinformed some of our fellow citizens are about capitalism and markets.

There is no such thing as a FREE market.

There are degrees of freedom within the confines of the market system that is in place and to have that market DEMANDS a government to insure that it STAYS in place.

Sans overarching civil authority no market and no CAPITALISM is even remotely possible.

AT BEST sans those things you could have a BARTER economy.

G-zeus, people READ A ******* BOOK!

 

[Vanquish]

I never said markets preceded capital, but that's a bit like a chicken and the egg.

A market for capital would be the expression of the desire for a good or services. To say that someone wanted or expressed demand for a thing before it was created would be true.

It would also be true to say that a similar process could happen in reverse - you have a good or service that no one knows they need yet.

Glad you agree with the no free market principle though. It's amazing that people keep using that phrase without understanding the underpinnings. And, all due respect, but it's not just a minor point or semantics. Especially with the regulations we have in our economy...ones that conservatives seem to want to get rid of as bureaucracy.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Why?

Corporations are the greatest drivers of wealth creation in the history of mankind.

We don't hate corporations, we just hate simpleton uninformed, unsophisticated Repug fuckholes such as yourself who have absolutely no concept of ethics or social justice.

So why do I dislike some unethical corporations? Let's count the ways --

1) Many corporations have shipped millions of American jobs overseas.
2) Virtually all large corporations control Congress through lobbyists. The recent Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections certainly won't help this situation.
3) Many corporations are deadly polluters of the environment. Perhaps you recall the BP disaster in the Gulf last summer, you ******* idiot? Of course, I'm sure this didn't outrage you as much as liberals do.
4) The giant banks on Wall Street ******* wrecked our economy in 2008, you ******* imbecile, costing millions of American jobs. And we have yet to recover from this.

So there's 4 good reasons why I dislike some corporations. Now kindly go **** yourself.

 

[Care4all]

Why?

Corporations are the greatest drivers of wealth creation in the history of mankind.

We don't hate corporations, we just hate simpleton uninformed, unsophisticated Repug fuckholes such as yourself who have absolutely no concept of ethics or social justice.

So why do I dislike some unethical corporations? Let's count the ways --

1) Many corporations have shipped millions of American jobs overseas.
2) Virtually all large corporations control Congress through lobbyists. The recent Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections certainly won't help this situation.
3) Many corporations are deadly polluters of the environment. Perhaps you recall the BP disaster in the Gulf last summer, you ******* idiot? Of course, I'm sure this didn't outrage you as much as liberals do.
4) The giant banks on Wall Street ******* wrecked our economy in 2008, you ******* imbecile, costing millions of American jobs. And we have yet to recover from this.

So there's 4 good reasons why I dislike some corporations. Now kindly go **** yourself.

welcome back KWO,

but toro is not a republican, he is not even a usa citizen, as far as i know....and he is not right wing or left wing...he's a pretty neutral guy...

 

[DiveCon]

Why?

Corporations are the greatest drivers of wealth creation in the history of mankind.

We don't hate corporations, we just hate simpleton uninformed, unsophisticated Repug fuckholes such as yourself who have absolutely no concept of ethics or social justice.

So why do I dislike some unethical corporations? Let's count the ways --

1) Many corporations have shipped millions of American jobs overseas.
2) Virtually all large corporations control Congress through lobbyists. The recent Supreme Court decision that allows corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections certainly won't help this situation.
3) Many corporations are deadly polluters of the environment. Perhaps you recall the BP disaster in the Gulf last summer, you ******* idiot? Of course, I'm sure this didn't outrage you as much as liberals do.
4) The giant banks on Wall Street ******* wrecked our economy in 2008, you ******* imbecile, costing millions of American jobs. And we have yet to recover from this.

So there's 4 good reasons why I dislike some corporations. Now kindly go **** yourself.

welcome back KWO,

but toro is not a republican, he is not even a usa citizen, as far as i know....and he is not right wing or left wing...he's a pretty neutral guy...

KWO thinks anyone that disagrees with his bullshit is a neocon
really quite laughable

 

[georgephillip]

Corporations to Government:

"Nothing better shows corporate control over the government than Washington's basic response to the current economic crisis.

" First we had 'the rescue' and then 'the recovery.' Trillions in public money flowed to the biggest US banks, insurance companies, etc.

"That 'bailed' them out (suggestion of criminality?) while we waited for benefits to 'trickle down' to the rest of us.

"As usual, the 'trickle down' part has not happened.

"Large corporations and their investors kept the government's money for themselves; their profits and stock market 'recovered' nicely.

"We get unemployment, home-foreclosures, job benefit cuts, and growing job insecurity. As the crisis hits states and cities, politicians avoid raising corporate taxes in favor of cutting government services and jobs. (and public unions)

"Might government bias favoring corporations be deserved, a reward for taxes they pay?

"No: corporations -- especially the larger ones -- have avoided taxes as effectively as they have controlled government expenditures to benefit them."

Maybe the Left "hates" corporations for the same reason Jefferson did?

 

[hipeter924]

Corporations to Government:

"Nothing better shows corporate control over the government than Washington's basic response to the current economic crisis.

" First we had 'the rescue' and then 'the recovery.' Trillions in public money flowed to the biggest US banks, insurance companies, etc.

"That 'bailed' them out (suggestion of criminality?) while we waited for benefits to 'trickle down' to the rest of us.

"As usual, the 'trickle down' part has not happened.

"Large corporations and their investors kept the government's money for themselves; their profits and stock market 'recovered' nicely.

"We get unemployment, home-foreclosures, job benefit cuts, and growing job insecurity. As the crisis hits states and cities, politicians avoid raising corporate taxes in favor of cutting government services and jobs. (and public unions)

"Might government bias favoring corporations be deserved, a reward for taxes they pay?

"No: corporations -- especially the larger ones -- have avoided taxes as effectively as they have controlled government expenditures to benefit them."

Maybe the Left "hates" corporations for the same reason Jefferson did?

So to solve all of this you adopt corporate socialism and bail those corporations out...makes perfect sense...NOT!

As for blaming it on Ayn Rand's philosophy (like many are doing these days), that's like blaming Marx for messing up the USSR.

It's not Rand's fault many of her followers took her philosophy as meaning that the banks and corporates could go out into the world and gamble with people's money without their consent and deliberately deceive people, and take their loses from the people when they lost.

It isn't the fault of Marx that his philosophy was later adapted into Communism and used to establish a totalitarian states governed by people he would term 'bourgeoisie', and used their power to put to death millions of people.

 

[editec]

Before there were government AND government which issued SPECIE, there was no market.

Those of you who think otherwise, who imagine that the barter economy of hunting gatherers was some kind of market are simply mistaken.

And if you cannot have markets without governments issuing currencies (even metal or stone coins are species, folks) then the statement

"Before government or religion the market was free" is the idle and misinformed specualtion of people who don't know doodle squat about anthropology or sociology or history.

 

[georgephillip]

How are we defining "market"?

If hunters and gatherers exchanged meat and fur for fruit and roots in a "public square", would that qualify as a primitive market economy?

Would some form of "government" be required to enforce fairness? Who controlled the prehistoric monopoly of violence?

(I'm betting on the hunters)

 

[georgephillip]

Corporations to Government:

"Nothing better shows corporate control over the government than Washington's basic response to the current economic crisis.

" First we had 'the rescue' and then 'the recovery.' Trillions in public money flowed to the biggest US banks, insurance companies, etc.

"That 'bailed' them out (suggestion of criminality?) while we waited for benefits to 'trickle down' to the rest of us.

"As usual, the 'trickle down' part has not happened.

"Large corporations and their investors kept the government's money for themselves; their profits and stock market 'recovered' nicely.

"We get unemployment, home-foreclosures, job benefit cuts, and growing job insecurity. As the crisis hits states and cities, politicians avoid raising corporate taxes in favor of cutting government services and jobs. (and public unions)

"Might government bias favoring corporations be deserved, a reward for taxes they pay?

"No: corporations -- especially the larger ones -- have avoided taxes as effectively as they have controlled government expenditures to benefit them."

Maybe the Left "hates" corporations for the same reason Jefferson did?

So to solve all of this you adopt corporate socialism and bail those corporations out...makes perfect sense...NOT!

As for blaming it on Ayn Rand's philosophy (like many are doing these days), that's like blaming Marx for messing up the USSR.

It's not Rand's fault many of her followers took her philosophy as meaning that the banks and corporates could go out into the world and gamble with people's money without their consent and deliberately deceive people, and take their loses from the people when they lost.

It isn't the fault of Marx that his philosophy was later adapted into Communism and used to establish a totalitarian states governed by people he would term 'bourgeoisie', and used their power to put to death millions of people.

I haven't really studied Rand or Marx; however, I take Noam Chomsky's word for it that Lenin's first action was to dissolve the Russian Soviets and seek aid from the West. (Wall Street)

Had Lenin not accepted aid from abroad millions of Russians would have starved, and his revolution would have failed within months.

I don't think you can blame the Left for Wall Street's bailout unless you believe Obama actually is a Socialist.

Richard Wolff doesn't:

"The overall picture is unmistakable.

"The trend is clear.

"During the Great Depression federal income tax receipts from individuals and corporations were roughly equal.

"During World War Two, income tax receipts from corporations were 50 % greater than from individuals. The national crises of depression and war produced successful popular demands for corporations to contribute significant portions of federal tax revenues.

"US corporations resented that arrangement, and after the war, they changed it.

"Corporate profits financed politicians' campaigns and lobbies to make sure that income tax receipts from individuals rose faster than those from corporations and that tax cuts were larger for corporations than for individuals.

"By the 1980s, individual income taxes regularly yielded four times more than taxes on corporations' profits."