Why do the Japanese want the American military bases closed in Japan?

[flewism]

Truman decided to drop the bombs for two reasons. 1) Japan would not surrender, and after seeing the projections on the losses of American live with a land invasion of the Japanese mainland it was a no brainer. Secondly, he did want to show the world what we were capable of.

Since the US taxpayer rebuilt Japan after the war and Japan was the first nation to exploit the US with cheap imports. They should buy those bases from us.

All these means the US will need more aircraft carriers to cover the northern Pacific.

 

[Robert W]

We have a good Navy in spite of obama and the woke crowd

But its not as good as it should be if the goal is to avoid a war with china

I think our salvation by our Navy is the submarine fleet. However we have an important problem. They serve on the scene, being refitted, and one more issue so to show you what I mean, for 12 Submarines, 4 are actually on duty.

 

[Robert W]

Since the US taxpayer rebuilt Japan after the war and Japan was the first nation to exploit the US with cheap imports. They should buy those bases from us.

I posted the MOFA agreement that was signed of by 3 of our team and 6 of the Japanese team. They really locked us into a deal that helps Japan a lot.

 

[Robert W]

Do you blame them? When is the debt finally considered paid?

I don't blame them. A problem is we sent to Japan men selected by our ultimate authority and they struck a deal long ago. We now need the consent of the Japanese.

 

[Robert W]

Nothing to do with Japan but I remember an Israeli C-130 parked at Dulles Airport for years in the 70s-80s. I always wondered about why it was there for so long.

It did not move till they reconfigured the terminal parking. Hell, it could still be there for all I know.

I have flown as a passenger into and out of Dulles and being inside the Jet, did not see that at Dulles. My last time there I did see the site of the Smithsonian air museum. I need to fly back just to get into that museum.

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Yes, Israeli Air Force (IAF) Hercules C-130 transport planes have landed at bases in the U.S. and Europe in recent months. The planes have landed at these bases and then returned to Nevatim.

The IAF's 103rd Squadron, also known as the Elephants Squadron, is based at Nevatim Airbase and uses the C-130J Super Hercules aircraft. The IAF also has the Shimshon, an improved version of the C-130HI aircraft that is equipped with advanced systems. The Shimshon has a larger cargo hold and improved flight conditions.


The C-130 Hercules is a versatile transport aircraft that can operate in remote areas and out of unimproved dirt airstrips.

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[1srelluc]

I have flown as a passenger into and out of Dulles and being inside the Jet, did not see that at Dulles. My last time there I did see the site of the Smithsonian air museum. I need to fly back just to get into that museum.

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Yes, Israeli Air Force (IAF) Hercules C-130 transport planes have landed at bases in the U.S. and Europe in recent months. The planes have landed at these bases and then returned to Nevatim.

The IAF's 103rd Squadron, also known as the Elephants Squadron, is based at Nevatim Airbase and uses the C-130J Super Hercules aircraft. The IAF also has the Shimshon, an improved version of the C-130HI aircraft that is equipped with advanced systems. The Shimshon has a larger cargo hold and improved flight conditions.


The C-130 Hercules is a versatile transport aircraft that can operate in remote areas and out of unimproved dirt airstrips.

• Israeli Air Force receives seventh Super Hercules C-130J aircraft
  Jan 2, 2019 — Israel Defense Froce (Air Force) ... IAF received the first Shimshon in April 2014. The aircraft has been deployed in b...
  
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• 103 Squadron (Israel) - Wikipedia
  The 103 Squadron of the Israeli Air Force, also known as the Elephants Squadron, is a C-130J Super Hercules squadron based at Neva...
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• OSINT Reveals Unprecedented Extent of U.S. Arms Airlift to ...
  Mar 7, 2024 — During the first three months of the war, the volume of American cargo flights was significantly higher, but has since ...
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I don't know what the deal was but it sat there for years.

They used to let us shoot deer at Dulles at night back when we could feed the deer to the convicts (before everything had to be USDA inspected) and it was already there around '74, then well into the 80s.

I always wondered if it had been impounded for some reason.....It not like the IAF would let what looked like a perfectly good C-130 sit idle in that era.

Be dammed if I know.

 

[Robert W]

I don't know what the deal was but it sat there for years.

They used to let us shoot deer at Dulles at night back when we could feed the deer to the convicts (before everything had to be USDA inspected) and it was already there around '74, then well into the 80s.

I always wondered if it had been impounded for some reason.....It not like the IAF would let what looked like a perfectly good C-130 sit idle in that era.

Be dammed if I know.

When I was at Dulles, it was to spend a week at Tyson's corner to upgrade my knowledge to meet Federal guidelines for the mortgage business. I have landed and taken off from Reagan Airport as well.

 

[gipper]

I don't know what the deal was but it sat there for years.

They used to let us shoot deer at Dulles at night back when we could feed the deer to the convicts (before everything had to be USDA inspected) and it was already there around '74, then well into the 80s.

I always wondered if it had been impounded for some reason.....It not like the IAF would let what looked like a perfectly good C-130 sit idle in that era.

Be dammed if I know.

Maybe it was the control center for the 9/11 operation.

 

[Concerned American]

That the were so demolished by WW2. that peace to them is a sweet deal. America on the other hand is apparently very willing to wage wars.

The status of forces agreement prohibits Japan from developing a force capable of offensive operations. As a protection, the US has agreed to provide them with security. Its a win win for both countries. However, as you point out, there are those in Japan that would like their autonomy back. That emotion ebbs and flows. During the early 70s it wasn't unusual to see protestors surrounding the MCAS in Iwakuni because they SUSPECTED that nuclear weapons had been flown on base in violation of the post war agreements.

 

[Concerned American]

Thanks a lot. I want to plant this in your mind. Even though I am friendly, I am also WW2 aged.

We will at some point in time, release our grip on Japan. I wish I knew when but it must happen. Japan can actually defend itself when we take off the pestey way of treating them.

Japan's defense force is not capable of defending the country. Without the US, they would be virtually defenseless. Our bases there, provide more for global security than many understand. To date, Japan has taken full advantage of not having to fund their security--common Japanese people don't take this into account. The security agreement between the US/Japan maybe should be relaxed to the extent that Japan starts building their own military, but I prefer the status quo.

 

[Unkotare]

The US is NOT an empire.

Most Japanese who oppose US bases live near them.

Japan has the 6th most powerful military in the world.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Obviously there was no need to drop the nukes. Japan was beaten and unable to defend itself. Truman accepted conditional surrender, but only after he committed the war crimes.

He did it to kill more Japanese who he hated, cause the world to fear us. and to impress Stalin.

Every day Japanese were killing hundreds of thousands Chinese, Burmese, Malaysian and other innocent civilians. The Japanese Army was not defeated, it was still on the offensive in China and in very active combat in Burma. Every day allied POWs were being murdered by Japanese guards and dying from malnutrition and deliberate neglect by their captors who wouldn’t allow the Red Cross relief packages to be distributed to the POWs. Every day “comfort women” (sex slaves) were dying in IJA and IJN brothels all over mainland Asia and the Pacific Islands. The Japanese were committing wholesale war crimes and had been since 1936.
If he hadn’t dropped the nukes on Japan, and the American people found out, he would have been impeached, convicted and tried in a civilian court.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If Dirty Harry wanted the war over, all he had to do was accept the surrender terms Japan offered which he did, but only after dropping the bombs. He was a war criminal and if there is a Hell, he’s burning there

He couldn’t. ALL the Allies, even Russia, had agreed that no separate peace would be agreed to and the terms agreed for both Germany and Japan were unconditional surrender.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don't know what the deal was but it sat there for years.

They used to let us shoot deer at Dulles at night back when we could feed the deer to the convicts (before everything had to be USDA inspected) and it was already there around '74, then well into the 80s.

I always wondered if it had been impounded for some reason.....It not like the IAF would let what looked like a perfectly good C-130 sit idle in that era.

Be dammed if I know.

It could have been a movie prop painted to look like an Israeli. Camarillo Airport had a Super Constellation painted like Air Force One parked there for over a decade.

 

[Unkotare]

He couldn’t. ALL the Allies, even Russia, had agreed that no separate peace would be agreed to and the terms agreed for both Germany and Japan were unconditional surrender.

But in the end, those were not the terms agreed to.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Every day Japanese were killing hundreds of thousands Chinese, Burmese, Malaysian and other innocent civilians. The Japanese Army was not defeated, it was still on the offensive in China and in very active combat in Burma. Every day allied POWs were being murdered by Japanese guards and dying from malnutrition and deliberate neglect by their captors who wouldn’t allow the Red Cross relief packages to be distributed to the POWs. Every day “comfort women” (sex slaves) were dying in IJA and IJN brothels all over mainland Asia and the Pacific Islands. The Japanese were committing wholesale war crimes and had been since 1936.
If he hadn’t dropped the nukes on Japan, and the American people found out, he would have been impeached, convicted and tried in a civilian court.

Unit 731 and the Burmese “death railway”, would be two famous examples that disprove your nonsense.

 

[Unkotare]

Unit 731 and the Burmese “death railway”, would be two famous examples that disprove your nonsense.

You realize you responded to yourself, right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Remove all military bases in foreign countries.

Give Gitmo back to Cuba too.

Now there is an innovative and intelligent thought! How about "NO!"?

 

[Unkotare]

All this "let them protect themselves!" stuff misses the point. We are not anywhere to "protect" other countries. We have a presence in parts of the world where WE protect OUR national interests. Everywhere, all the time. Only.

 

[GLASNOST]

Truman decided to drop the bombs for two reasons. 1) Japan would not surrender, and after seeing the projections on the losses of American live with a land invasion of the Japanese mainland ......

It's time for you to throw away your comic books.