Why do the Japanese want the American military bases closed in Japan?

[Unkotare]

Just keep saying it’s not an empire, ....

Because it's not, pretender.

 

[GLASNOST]

I’m beginning to think you’re a child.

You've just now come to realize that?

 

[Unkotare]

This just in: The US is STILL not an empire.

 

[Unkotare]

... I don't believe they pay much (if anything) for it. ...

"Japanese government spending to cover the cost of hosting American troops — an issue which became contentious during the Trump administration — has been finalized by Japan's parliament. The new $8.6 billion, five-year, host-nation support budget takes effect in April and runs through 2027."

Japan approves 5 years more funding for U.S. military presence as China, Russia and North Korea threats loom large

Lawmakers approved the $8.6 billion, 5-year host-nation budget amid rising threats from China, North Korea and Russia.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Unkotare]

When was Japan offering to surrender? They were forced to surrender. Truman is a Democrat president who was not like Roosevelt or later Democrats. He really stood up for himself and this country.

"Walter Trohan, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune with impeccable credentials for integrity and accuracy, reported that two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms."

The Bomb Was Not Necessary

With the sixty-fifth anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb almost upon us, there is undoubtedly going to be a flood of commentary on the wisdom of its use by the United States during World War II. The justified scolding of Charles Pellegrino and his The Last Train From Hiroshima...

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"Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, that's not true. The US demanded an unconditional surrender of the Japanese but the Japanese flat out refused. The US replied that they would not accept Japan's condition so Japan said they would fight on. The US backed down.

Wrong. The emperor demanded the military surrender over the radio broadcast to all of Japan. It was the first time most Japanese had ever heard his voice. Some of the military attempted a coup to stop the surrender by killing the emperor and putting his son on the throne. Read the surrender document, the Japanese surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY. It's all in black and white.

 

[AZrailwhale]

GITMO is on US soil.

The USA has a 99-year lease on Gitmo. It's not a necessary base anymore, but the military keeps it as a poke in the nose at the Cuban government. Originally it was valuable as a coaling station for the coal-fired navy, then as an ASW base in WWII. Now it's just an isolated prison not on US property so some of the laws of the USA can be skirted.

 

[AZrailwhale]

"Walter Trohan, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune with impeccable credentials for integrity and accuracy, reported that two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms."

The Bomb Was Not Necessary

With the sixty-fifth anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb almost upon us, there is undoubtedly going to be a flood of commentary on the wisdom of its use by the United States during World War II. The justified scolding of Charles Pellegrino and his The Last Train From Hiroshima...

www.hnn.us

"Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."

Read the peace document, there is no mention of maintaining the emperor. That was an administrative decision by MacArthur after the war was over to ease controlling the Japanese population. Even then he neutered the emperor by removing ALL of his power and prerogatives.

 

[AZrailwhale]

"Walter Trohan, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune with impeccable credentials for integrity and accuracy, reported that two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms."

The Bomb Was Not Necessary

With the sixty-fifth anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb almost upon us, there is undoubtedly going to be a flood of commentary on the wisdom of its use by the United States during World War II. The justified scolding of Charles Pellegrino and his The Last Train From Hiroshima...

www.hnn.us

"Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."

That offer did not come from the Japanese government. It came from a group that had no power or authorization to negotiate.

 

[Unkotare]

Wrong. The emperor demanded the military surrender over the radio broadcast to all of Japan. It was the first time most Japanese had ever heard his voice. Some of the military attempted a coup to stop the surrender by killing the emperor and putting his son on the throne. Read the surrender document, the Japanese surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY. It's all in black and white.

"Unconditionally" with one condition = oxymoron.

 

[AZrailwhale]

"Unconditionally" with one condition = oxymoron.

Read the document THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS.

 

[Unkotare]

Read the document THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS.

Except the exact same conditions that had been sought well before Hiroshima.

"...two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms."

 

[justoffal]

I am researching this very issue.
The desire among some Japanese citizens for the closure of American military bases in Japan stems from several factors:

1. Sovereignty Concerns: Many Japanese feel that the presence of U.S. military bases undermines Japan's sovereignty. They argue that having foreign troops on their soil limits Japan's autonomy in making independent decisions regarding national security and foreign policy.
2. Historical Context: The legacy of World War II and the subsequent U.S. occupation of Japan has left a complex relationship between the two nations. Some Japanese view the continued presence of U.S. bases as a reminder of that historical trauma.
3. Local Issues: In areas where military bases are located, residents often express concerns about noise, pollution, and crime associated with the bases. There have been incidents involving U.S. personnel that have strained relations with local communities, prompting calls for closure or relocation.
4. Changing Security Landscape: Some Japanese citizens and politicians argue that Japan should enhance its self-defense capabilities rather than rely on the U.S. military. They advocate for a reassessment of Japan's security strategy in light of changing geopolitical dynamics in the region.
5. Anti-Militarism Sentiment: There is a strong anti-militarism sentiment in Japan, influenced by the post-war constitution, which renounces war. This perspective fosters opposition to foreign military presence, including that of the U.S.
6. Political Factors: Local politicians may leverage the issue of U.S. bases to gain support from constituents who are concerned about military presence, especially in regions heavily affected by the bases.

Overall, while there is a significant segment of the population that supports the U.S. military presence for security reasons, the opposition reflects a mix of local grievances, national pride, and evolving views on Japan's role in regional security.

Why do the Japanese want the American military bases closed in Japan?

Answer (1 of 5): While like anything, there are multiple reasons why some Japanese people want the bases (or at least some of the bases) closed or relocated. There is not a single answer that applies to all the bases or all Japanese people and not all Japanese even want the bases closed. Let me o...

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Real reason? A buddy of mine who was stationed in Japan for a while was telling me that the American soldiers raise hell on the weekends and impregnate the local women at a Blistering pace. I Tend to believe it.

 

[gipper]

Read the document THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS.

Then why did they allow the emperor to stay in power which they did, and was the only condition they’d asked for well prior to the two a-bombings?

 

[Robert W]

Real reason? A buddy of mine who was stationed in Japan for a while was telling me that the American soldiers raise hell on the weekends and impregnate the local women at a Blistering pace. I Tend to believe it.

My Army experience is in Germany in 1962 through Jan 64. I saw that happen to German women. Where there is a lot of men, prostitutes and sexually active women show up.

 

[Unkotare]

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[GLASNOST]

Then why did they allow the emperor to stay in power which they did, and was the only condition they’d asked for well prior to the two a-bombings?

Japan demanded it, still after the bombings. That was the CONDITION that the US refused to accept but when Japan said, "OK, then we fight!" So, the US ate crow and gave in. I'm sure they don't put that in the American history books but you can find it if you search for it.

 

[Deadstick]

Perhaps Cuba is now thrilled to be paid for the use of Gitmo.

I am still researching how Japan can get rid of US Bases but the agreement It looks to me like really seems dominated by US desires.
Look it over.

https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/n-america/us/q&a/ref/2.html

I doubt they like a US concentration camp in their Country, the Cubans should have taken it back years ago.

 

[Robert W]

I doubt they like a US concentration camp in their Country, the Cubans should have taken it back years ago.

They do not want to take it back. They reap a large payment.

 

[gipper]

They do not want to take it back. They reap a large payment.

Is it true the many attempts on Castro’s life were run through Gitmo?