Why do the God-haters persist?

[daws101]

No, Occam's isn't proof and I didn't say it was. Occam's Razor is a principle of parsimony, a way to evaluate answers to questions. I presented it in support of my answer to the question because the question involves something non-physical that physical sciences alone are unable to confirm. Again, the "connection" is obvious, we are spiritual and we have a sense of morality judgement and act upon it. The later comes from the former, and Occam's Razor supports this. Biological observation and behavioral information of other species also supports this. I could also throw in 'common sense' but you seem to be lacking in that department.

Now, a salmon and how it reproduces is totally physical, we can derive an answer to the question of why salmon only spawn when they swim upstream at certain times of the year because we're dealing with physical nature. But if we had no physical way to evaluate the question, Occam's Razor wouuld apply. Salmon obviously must swim upstream to spawn, since that seems to always be what happens whenever they swim upstream at certain times of the year. It's not an unrelated coincidence. The two unique circumstances are related. Occam's Razor doesn't "prove" this, but it helps to support the argument.

While we're on the subject, let's talk a moment about "proof" and what that means. In a purely philosophical sense, NOTHING is proven. Not even reality. Proof is subjective. It is dependent on personal evaluation of what you are willing to accept as valid evidence. You may say, "well, I can prove gravity by doing an experiment..." No, you can prove gravity to yourself because you are willing to accept the evidence of your experiment as valid. If I am not willing to accept your evidence as valid, you've not proven gravity to me.

In the case of spiritual nature and things related to spirituality, you refuse to acknowledge they exist because there is no physical evidence. I can't change that fact. I'm never going to be able to present you with valid physical evidence of spiritual nature, and if I could do that, it would immediately cease to be spiritual nature, so we have a logic dichotomy. I don't know which is more stupid and idiotic, a person who thinks there can be physical proof of something spiritual or someone who posts on a public forum as if they expect such evidence to be presented. Repeatedly doing this doesn't make you any smarter.

So in other words for you, proof doesn't exist, ever. Ok, so you admit you have no proof. You thinking that something is obvious with no proof whatsoever is not refutable as there's still nothing to refute except your opinion, which is just an opinion, no biggie. Got it.

Again, try to comprehend this in your pea-sized little brain... PROOF is subjective. ALL PROOF! It is totally dependent on what you accept as valid evidence. I presented evidence, you rejected it. You did not refute it, you rejected it. We're all free to reject anything we please, it does not ever mean that we refuted it.

bullshit hot water is not hot because you accept the evidence...it is because it is ....spirituality is subjective as because there is no testable evidence to prove it ....

 

[Boss]

So in other words for you, proof doesn't exist, ever. Ok, so you admit you have no proof. You thinking that something is obvious with no proof whatsoever is not refutable as there's still nothing to refute except your opinion, which is just an opinion, no biggie. Got it.

Again, try to comprehend this in your pea-sized little brain... PROOF is subjective. ALL PROOF! It is totally dependent on what you accept as valid evidence. I presented evidence, you rejected it. You did not refute it, you rejected it. We're all free to reject anything we please, it does not ever mean that we refuted it.

bullshit hot water is not hot because you accept the evidence...it is because it is ....spirituality is subjective as because there is no testable evidence to prove it ....

No it isn't. It's very cool compared to lava.

There is testable evidence to prove spirituality. You have to first accept that spiritual nature exists and is real. Once you can do that, it's very easy to test and confirm it... billions and billions have done so.

 

[BreezeWood]

Other animals lack the ability to spiritually connect, and thus, lack the ability to reason moral right and wrong or behave accordingly. They naturally behave by primal instinct.

... does that include all that is Flora as well is without a spiritual connection ?


why wouldn't religious people "persist" against such an insidious characterization evolved from an obviously depraved soul.

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Show me evidence Flora has awareness of right and wrong and acts upon it, and I will agree that Flora has spiritual awareness. Until then, I can't say I see evidence of this, it's an interesting proposition and maybe you are correct, but you need more than an opinion to validate your argument.

Show me evidence Flora has awareness:

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the examples are endless - I get it, not one can be found in your Bible.

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[Boss]

... does that include all that is Flora as well is without a spiritual connection ?


why wouldn't religious people "persist" against such an insidious characterization evolved from an obviously depraved soul.

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Show me evidence Flora has awareness of right and wrong and acts upon it, and I will agree that Flora has spiritual awareness. Until then, I can't say I see evidence of this, it's an interesting proposition and maybe you are correct, but you need more than an opinion to validate your argument.

Show me evidence Flora has awareness:

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the examples are endless - I get it, not one can be found in your Bible.

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You're not demonstrating how this is awareness of right and wrong or action based upon that awareness. Sorry. Got any more examples?

 

[Boss]

bullshit hot water is not hot because you accept the evidence...it is because it is

Again, because I love to slap ol' dawsy around like a crack whore... Where is your "science?" You're just saying something is a matter of fact "because it is." Your words exactly.

The FACT is, hot water is not hot. In fact, the hottest you can ever make water become is practically freezing compared to the surface of the sun.

 

[daws101]

bullshit hot water is not hot because you accept the evidence...it is because it is

Again, because I love to slap ol' dawsy around like a crack whore... Where is your "science?" You're just saying something is a matter of fact "because it is." Your words exactly.

The FACT is, hot water is not hot. In fact, the hottest you can ever make water become is practically freezing compared to the surface of the sun.

love it when you make false and impracticable comparisons...
do us all a favor and stick you dick in a pot of boiling water and deny it's hot ....and doing no damage..
denying reality by making outlandish comparisons is not slapping ole dawsy around.it is however a fine example of your obsession with yourself...

 

[Boss]

bullshit hot water is not hot because you accept the evidence...it is because it is

Again, because I love to slap ol' dawsy around like a crack whore... Where is your "science?" You're just saying something is a matter of fact "because it is." Your words exactly.

The FACT is, hot water is not hot. In fact, the hottest you can ever make water become is practically freezing compared to the surface of the sun.

love it when you make false and impracticable comparisons...
do us all a favor and stick you dick in a pot of boiling water and deny it's hot ....and doing no damage..
denying reality by making outlandish comparisons is not slapping ole dawsy around.it is however a fine example of your obsession with yourself...

aka: PWNED!

 

[koshergrl]

duhs devoted a lot of bandwidth over a succession of days (possibly weeks?) insisting the bronze age took place somewhere around 1500. Despite having multiple links, quotes, wondeful sites, learned explanations...from a variety of posters....telling her she was a little off.

She's just not the sharpest tool in the shed, let me tell ya.

 

[koshergrl]

Likewise, she thinks some weird event in 18th century England is evidence that today's Christians are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy.

The elevator to the top does not rise...

 

[mamooth]

We get it already. Boss hates all of the thousands of gods that aren't his god. He's a god-hater of epic proportions, and god-haters are bad.

It's much better to be an atheist, and just think it's all silly. You get to skip all the hate.

 

[Boss]

We get it already. Boss hates all of the thousands of gods that aren't his god. He's a god-hater of epic proportions, and god-haters are bad.

It's much better to be an atheist, and just think it's all silly. You get to skip all the hate.

Ha.. shows how well you don't know me.

There is actually very little I hate. Lots of things I despise, especially if they pertain to the interruption or flow of my positive spiritual energy. Oh... and asparagus. Although a friend recently made some that was wrapped in bacon which was tolerable.

 

[Wake]

I do believe religion in all its forms should be attacked and defeated in the realm of debate.

However, this doesn't equal being a mean-spirited jerk who lobs insults, personal attacks, and mockery towards religious people. Mockery of religion itself is alright.

Attacking Christianity as we know it is fine. Being an ass isn't. Attitude is everything.

 

[MrMax]

No, Occam's isn't proof and I didn't say it was. Occam's Razor is a principle of parsimony, a way to evaluate answers to questions. I presented it in support of my answer to the question because the question involves something non-physical that physical sciences alone are unable to confirm. Again, the "connection" is obvious, we are spiritual and we have a sense of morality judgement and act upon it. The later comes from the former, and Occam's Razor supports this. Biological observation and behavioral information of other species also supports this. I could also throw in 'common sense' but you seem to be lacking in that department.

Now, a salmon and how it reproduces is totally physical, we can derive an answer to the question of why salmon only spawn when they swim upstream at certain times of the year because we're dealing with physical nature. But if we had no physical way to evaluate the question, Occam's Razor wouuld apply. Salmon obviously must swim upstream to spawn, since that seems to always be what happens whenever they swim upstream at certain times of the year. It's not an unrelated coincidence. The two unique circumstances are related. Occam's Razor doesn't "prove" this, but it helps to support the argument.

While we're on the subject, let's talk a moment about "proof" and what that means. In a purely philosophical sense, NOTHING is proven. Not even reality. Proof is subjective. It is dependent on personal evaluation of what you are willing to accept as valid evidence. You may say, "well, I can prove gravity by doing an experiment..." No, you can prove gravity to yourself because you are willing to accept the evidence of your experiment as valid. If I am not willing to accept your evidence as valid, you've not proven gravity to me.

In the case of spiritual nature and things related to spirituality, you refuse to acknowledge they exist because there is no physical evidence. I can't change that fact. I'm never going to be able to present you with valid physical evidence of spiritual nature, and if I could do that, it would immediately cease to be spiritual nature, so we have a logic dichotomy. I don't know which is more stupid and idiotic, a person who thinks there can be physical proof of something spiritual or someone who posts on a public forum as if they expect such evidence to be presented. Repeatedly doing this doesn't make you any smarter.

So in other words for you, proof doesn't exist, ever. Ok, so you admit you have no proof. You thinking that something is obvious with no proof whatsoever is not refutable as there's still nothing to refute except your opinion, which is just an opinion, no biggie. Got it.

Again, try to comprehend this in your pea-sized little brain... PROOF is subjective. ALL PROOF! It is totally dependent on what you accept as valid evidence. I presented evidence, you rejected it. You did not refute it, you rejected it. We're all free to reject anything we please, it does not ever mean that we refuted it.

I'm still waiting for some real proof, you gave an opinion, and did not present proof or facts. I can't refute an opinion, just disagree with it.

 

[daws101]

Again, because I love to slap ol' dawsy around like a crack whore... Where is your "science?" You're just saying something is a matter of fact "because it is." Your words exactly.

The FACT is, hot water is not hot. In fact, the hottest you can ever make water become is practically freezing compared to the surface of the sun.

love it when you make false and impracticable comparisons...
do us all a favor and stick you dick in a pot of boiling water and deny it's hot ....and doing no damage..
denying reality by making outlandish comparisons is not slapping ole dawsy around.it is however a fine example of your obsession with yourself...

aka: PWNED!

ine example of your obsession with yourself.

 

[daws101]

duhs devoted a lot of bandwidth over a succession of days (possibly weeks?) insisting the bronze age took place somewhere around 1500. Despite having multiple links, quotes, wondeful sites, learned explanations...from a variety of posters....telling her she was a little off.

She's just not the sharpest tool in the shed, let me tell ya.

who would that be kosher hag since I'm not and never have been a she.

 

[daws101]

Likewise, she thinks some weird event in 18th century England is evidence that today's Christians are attempting to turn the US into a theocracy.

The elevator to the top does not rise...

lo! beside thinking I'm female you are under the delusion the theocracy in "NEW ENGLAND" WAS SOME WEIRD EVENT when in fact it was the norm in new England in the 17th century not the 18th...
also it's extremely relevant to today's Christians, some of which are attempting to do the very same thing..
someone's synapses are misfiring and they're not mine....

 

[daws101]

duhs devoted a lot of bandwidth over a succession of days (possibly weeks?) insisting the bronze age took place somewhere around 1500. Despite having multiple links, quotes, wondeful sites, learned explanations...from a variety of posters....telling her she was a little off.

She's just not the sharpest tool in the shed, let me tell ya.

bullshit I was one post the rest were you and your shadow vox trying to get mileage out of a freely admitted mistake...say a lot about the maturity and mental status of some so called christian posters.

 

[BreezeWood]

Show me evidence Flora has awareness of right and wrong and acts upon it, and I will agree that Flora has spiritual awareness. Until then, I can't say I see evidence of this, it's an interesting proposition and maybe you are correct, but you need more than an opinion to validate your argument.

Show me evidence Flora has awareness:

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the examples are endless - I get it, not one can be found in your Bible.

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You're not demonstrating how this is awareness of right and wrong or action based upon that awareness. Sorry. Got any more examples?

how could the example not be based on an awareness - you are just stupid.

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[Boss]

how could the example not be based on an awareness - you are just stupid.

Well first of all, I never claimed that things don't have 'awareness' because most every living thing is 'aware' of it's environment and reacts accordingly. My argument was "spiritual awareness" and I don't see where you have demonstrated that here. Secondly, I never said that you are wrong, I just said you haven't shown me evidence to prove you're right. I respectfully admitted you could be right, and you return my respect by calling me stupid.

 

[BreezeWood]

how could the example not be based on an awareness - you are just stupid.

Well first of all, I never claimed that things don't have 'awareness' because most every living thing is 'aware' of it's environment and reacts accordingly. My argument was "spiritual awareness" and I don't see where you have demonstrated that here. Secondly, I never said that you are wrong, I just said you haven't shown me evidence to prove you're right. I respectfully admitted you could be right, and you return my respect by calling me stupid.

Boss (1st response): You're not demonstrating how this is awareness of right and wrong or action based upon that awareness. Sorry. Got any more examples?

Boss (2nd response): I respectfully admitted you could be right, and you return my respect by calling me stupid.

where did you "respectfully admitted" there could be awareness in your 1st response - "or action based upon that awareness".

what specifically in the example leads you to believe there is not a demonstrative awareness and deliberation of content exhibited by the Orchid ?

My argument was "spiritual awareness" and I don't see where you have demonstrated that here.

are you saying all Orchids are the same -

I have said to you before, no two blades of grass from 700 million years ago to this day or for all eternity will ever be the same - you do not understand your own premise of spirituality - as no other life is the same by definition each life its own spiritual "awareness" to everything around it. and for the religious to prosper forever in the Everlasting.