Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[Stryder50]

One example of our considerable vulnerabilities:

Currently the USA gets most of its semiconductors--critical for almost all American electronics and especially war machines and equipment--from Malaysia, Taiwan and China. Malaysia has far more formal ties with China than it does with the USA and if China should go to war with the USA, the first thing it would most likely do is overtake Taiwan or at least make it impossible for Taiwan to help the USA in any way.

That creates a significant security threat to the USA. We should be creating an environment in which the few U.S. companies manufacturing semiconductors would step up production sufficient to sustain us should that be necessary. That would be Intel, Nvidia, Micron Technology, Texas Instruments et al. That not only would create thousands of good paying and essential jobs but would close a significant national security gap.

We won't single handedly win WWIII either, but we sure don't have to be sitting ducks for powerful countries who would dearly love to do their worst to us if they dared.

Actually it looks more like CCP China would attack Taiwan and seek to add it to the mainland commune. The USA would be drawn in due treaty with Taiwan. Because of that, China might also strike the USA at the same time or just before going after Taiwan.

 

[Meathead]

Too many innocents were also dying during that war of attrition.
You are comfortable with that.

Saving Stalin was a good thing?! God knows he killed more of his countrymen than Hitler.

Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

Saving Stalin was a good thing?! God knows he killed more of his countrymen than Hitler.

Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It wasn't so much "Saving Stalin" as helping an enemy of Hitler/Germany do some of the heavy lifting that would spare a lot of America GI Lives.

You might need a bit more historical learning and perspective.

 

[Meathead]

It wasn't so much "Saving Stalin" as helping an enemy of Hitler/Germany do some of the heavy lifting that would spare a lot of America GI Lives.

You might need a bit more historical learning and perspective.

Stalin was no better than Hitler. Both were scum of the earth. I have no idea why anyone would defend either one.

 

[Stryder50]

Stalin was no better than Hitler. Both were scum of the earth. I have no idea why anyone would defend either one.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
You would rather we lost 2 or 3 times those 400,000 Americans we did lose in that war?

I suggest you read/study Sun Tzu - "The Art of War".

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[whitehall]

The Soviets beat Hitler
US beat Japan

The Soviets beat Hitler? Tell it to the brave Americans who fought and died in the Ardennes offensive aka the Battle of the Bulge.

 

[Meathead]

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
You would rather we lost 2 or 3 times those 400,000 Americans we did lose in that war?

I suggest you read/study Sun Tzu - "The Art of War".

Stalin was obviously the "enemy" too, even to his own people. WTF would we have lost more GIs by letting the Russians and Germans carry on fighting. We had a war in the Pacific to keep us occupied.

And Christ, stop being so fucking pretentious.

 

[whitehall]

The Russians were down to eating sawdust bread and drafting girls after Stalingrad but the Germans were still viable at the end of 1943. Americans lost about 20,000 in 1944 during the last desperate German battle called Battle of the Bulge. Ike was instructed to halt his forces along the Rhine and let FDR's friends, the Russians take Berlin and get credit for winning the war against the Nazis.

 

[Foxfyre]

During that brief "honeymoon" Russia also grabbed a chunk of East Poland, the Baltic States, and attacked Finland, and got a chunk of Hungry, or was it Romania.

Remember that the USA wasn't in the war at the time Hitler attacked Russia, so a "Neutral", not an Ally. Hitler didn't realize or expect his war in the West would grow that much.

There are claims by some that Stalin's military being massed on his border with German territory is because Stalin was planning to attack Germany.

I don't think Hitler had any plan to attack the USA. At least not any time soon. But Hitler was allied with Japan, so once the USA declared war on Japan he was obligated to follow suit. Which of course was followed by the USA declaring war on Germany.

And there remains and will probably always remain among some a theory that the USA deliberately provoked Japan to attack us so they would have justification to get into the war. Some very much want to believe that. And others refuse to believe it or hope with all they have that it isn't so.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don't think Hitler had any plan to attack the USA. At least not any time soon. But Hitler was allied with Japan, so once the USA declared war on Japan he was obligated to follow suit. Which of course was followed by the USA declaring war on Germany.

And there remains and will probably always remain among some a theory that the USA deliberately provoked Japan to attack us so they would have justification to get into the war. Some very much want to believe that. And others refuse to believe it or hope with all they have that it isn't so.

No. The treaty with Japan was a defensive one. If the USA attacked Japan Germany was required to enter the war, but not of Japan attacked the USA which is what happened.

 

[Foxfyre]

Actually it looks more like CCP China would attack Taiwan and seek to add it to the mainland commune. The USA would be drawn in due treaty with Taiwan. Because of that, China might also strike the USA at the same time or just before going after Taiwan.

Our mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, negotiated with the Chinese, ended in 1980. While we currently have expressed commitment to keep a non coercive peace with Taiwan and continue to be its largest supplier of arms, we currently have no formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan and no mutual defense treaty. The American Institute in Taipei serves as an unofficial embassy.

If China should invade Taiwan it's anybody's guess whether the U.S. would respond militarily even though Joe Biden muddied those waters when he said we would be willing to do so.

It is significant however that in February this year, the U.S DOD quietly removed the phrase "We do not support Taiwan independence" from its official fact sheet on Taiwan. That may be something we all need to watch.

WWIII would almost certainly be China, Russia, North Korea and probably Iran against most of the rest of the world unless the rest of the world has become so 'woke' it refused to take part. It is highly unlikely that 'axis' would prevail but it would be horrible, bloody, and set world peace back decades. And no, the USA would most likely be unable to say they defeated them all single handedly then either.

 

[Stryder50]

When ever I spend much time on the topic of Russia and WWII, I'm reminded of this song by Al Stewart, brother of Rod.

Al Stewart - Roads to Moscow - 1976​

Al Stewart - Roads to Moscow Lyrics & Meanings | SongMeanings​

Roads to Moscow - Wikipedia​

 

[Stryder50]

No. The treaty with Japan was a defensive one. If the USA attacked Japan Germany was required to enter the war, but not of Japan attacked the USA which is what happened.

The USA declared war on Japan the day after Pearl Harbor, next day Germany declared war on the USA.

 

[Stryder50]

Stalin was obviously the "enemy" too, even to his own people. WTF would we have lost more GIs by letting the Russians and Germans carry on fighting. We had a war in the Pacific to keep us occupied.

And Christ, stop being so fucking pretentious.

Because if we hadn't helped Russia with Lend-Lease it's highly probable that Germany would have defeated and conquered Russia and thereby have a stronger hold on Easter Europe and Eurasia as well as Western Europe.

If the USA joined the war then, it would mostly be just us and the UK and it would be a few years extra and about 3-4 the costs in lives and treasure than it was.

Stop being so ignorant. Learn more history.

 

[rightwinger]

The Soviets beat Hitler? Tell it to the brave Americans who fought and died in the Ardennes offensive aka the Battle of the Bulge.

Very true

Now compare to the millions who died in Stalingrad, Leningrad, Moscow and Kursk

Those are the battles that broke the Nazi Army

 

[rightwinger]

Because if we hadn't helped Russia with Lend-Lease it's highly probable that Germany would have defeated and conquered Russia and thereby have a stronger hold on Easter Europe and Eurasia as well as Western Europe.

If the USA joined the war then, it would mostly be just us and the UK and it would be a few years extra and about 3-4 the costs in lives and treasure than it was.

Stop being so ignorant. Learn more history.

The US didn’t care about saving USSR but we could not have saved Western Europe without the Soviets grinding down the Nazis in the East

 

[toobfreak]

Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?​

• For starters, my father and uncles all fought (and sometimes died) in WWII, not WW2.
• Without the USA, England would be speaking German today. The USA bailed your asses out, saved your country with RADAR and other things to keep Schicklgruber off your shores.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ya'll are wrong.

It wasn't America that won the war.

It was Rosie.

WW

 

[Foxfyre]

No. The treaty with Japan was a defensive one. If the USA attacked Japan Germany was required to enter the war, but not of Japan attacked the USA which is what happened.

Yes that is true. Thank you for that correction--my memory without notes is sometimes flawed.

But Germany, Japan, and Italy were already allied and Japan's successful attack on Pearl Harbor was met with jubilation by Hitler. Things were going badly in the war with Russia and now in retrospect, taking down the USA had been in Hitler's long term game plan for years. I just don't think it was in the immediate game plan until Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

Diplomacy between America and Japan, while still existing, had been eroding the more the USA helped Britain with arms and supplies. With Japan providing diversions in the Pacific and requiring the USA to focus and devote resources to that and further weakening the U.K. by threatening its Pacific holdings, it gave Hitler the a great excuse to accuse the USA and declare war.

I'm sure his reasoning was forcing us immediately into a two-front war would put us at a disadvantage and would so dilute our resources that it would leave the Brits far more vulnerable.. He wasn't always entirely rational and didn't consider how badly his own two-front war was going with Russia. But at that time, so I've read, he still expected to defeat Russia and wasn't thinking that it would join up with the Allies.