Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They did a lot of fighting and dying
Killed a lot of Germans

Most of the German forces were on the Eastern Front
We never would have liberated Western Europe without them

The Russians would have never survived without our merchant fleet giving them supplies. It was a joint effort as any real historian knows. The Russians did little against the Japanese until they had beaten Germany, while we fought both. Without the US to assist in the invasion, the Brits would have been in a battle of attrition after France and other countries fell to Germany. Had Japan not brought the US into the war, Germany would likely have built atomic weapons first and then conquered Britain.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You guys keep making that shit up

OK. Point to an infrastructure project currently being built. You can't because they were all failures or never started.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

• For starters, my father and uncles all fought (and sometimes died) in WWII, not WW2.
• Without the USA, England would be speaking German today. The USA bailed your asses out, saved your country with RADAR and other things to keep Schicklgruber off your shores.

The Brits had radar all on their own, thank you. Radar did us absolutely no good at Pearl Harbor, did it?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If we give hillbillies high-speed porn, they will leave their sisters alone and improve the gene pool.

Money well spent.

Excuse me for saying that I am one of those hillbillies! I married a girl from Alabama, and none of us are related.

 

[fncceo]

Excuse me for saying that I am one of those hillbillies! I married a girl from Alabama, and none of us are related.

I always thought of hillbillies as Appalachian. Hence the “hill” part.

And, of course, they can’t ALL be inbred. There are only so many sisters to go around.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I always thought of hillbillies as Appalachian. Hence the “hill” part.

And, of course, they can’t ALL be inbred. There are only so many sisters to go around.

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I was born and raised in Kentucky. That's all that is required. You can also relate to the Beverly Hillbillies. They were from Arkansas.

 

[fncceo]

I was born and raised in Kentucky. That's all that is required. You can also relate to the Beverly Hillbillies. They were from Arkansas.

According to Wikipedia, the only definitive source of wisdom in the known universe, a hillbilly can also be from The Ozarks.

I’m willing to accept that definition.

 

[MisterBeale]

YOu kids are too much!!

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How apropos that you would use the gif of a subversive in our own nation.

. . most of the forum knows you are a traitor, and don't know shit about what real Americans value.

 

[Crepitus]

How apropos that you would use the gif of a subversive in our own nation.

. . most of the forum knows you are a traitor, and don't know shit about what real Americans value.

Got some news for ya kiddo:

Being anti tRump does not make one a traitor.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The USA declared war on Japan the day after Pearl Harbor, next day Germany declared war on the USA.

So? Declaring war on the USA was Hitler’s biggest blunder. Without that, the US might have adopted a Japan first policy giving Germany a few more years of survival.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Because if we hadn't helped Russia with Lend-Lease it's highly probable that Germany would have defeated and conquered Russia and thereby have a stronger hold on Easter Europe and Eurasia as well as Western Europe.

If the USA joined the war then, it would mostly be just us and the UK and it would be a few years extra and about 3-4 the costs in lives and treasure than it was.

Stop being so ignorant. Learn more history.

It unlikely Germany would have gotten any benefit from occupying the USSR. It would have taken enormous security forces to stabilize any pro-German government.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Very true

Now compare to the millions who died in Stalingrad, Leningrad, Moscow and Kursk

Those are the battles that broke the Nazi Army

The millions of Soviets who died were the direct result of Stalin’s lack of compassion for his people. Starvation, mass human wave attacks across minefields, NKVD “machine gun battalions” behind regular troops to punish any withdrawal attempts.

 

[Zavulon]

Except Mao/CCP opted to sit on the sidelines and le tKMT, with USA assist, fight the Japanese. Mao/CCP husbanded their strength waiting for the post-war opportunity.

Yes. It is was in our reality, where Russia was distracted on the European war. In the alternative history scenario (in which Germany respected non-aggression pact and Russia has free hands to act in China and America has to be more distracted on the support of the Great Britain), there earlier victory of CCP over KMT is quite possible.

 

[MisterBeale]

Got some news for ya kiddo:

Being anti tRump does not make one a traitor.

Loving the monarchy moar than yoar own nation certainly does.

 

[Stryder50]

Yes. It is was in our reality, where Russia was distracted on the European war. In the alternative history scenario (in which Germany respected non-aggression pact and Russia has free hands to act in China and America has to be more distracted on the support of the Great Britain), there earlier victory of CCP over KMT is quite possible.

Except KMT was also a recipient of Lend-Lease along with UK before USSR got on that list. By Spring of 1941 USA Lend-Lease to KMT included the arrangements to fund, equip, and staff the American Volunteer Group of fighter planes and pilots, known later as the Flying Tigers.

Also, Russia and Japan had a bit of a fracas earlier over Manchuria so if anything USSR would have used CCP to assist against Japan before bothering with KMT.

 

[lg325]

It seems to crop up quite a few times where posters claim everyone would be speaking German if the US hadn't won WW2.

Time for America to get over its WWII nostalgia

It was the nadir of human history, not a Saturday morning cartoon

theweek.com

There's nothing wrong with an interest in history. But the distorted and chauvinist way the war's history has been presented in the popular imagination is a major problem. It's long since time Americans adopted a more realistic and sensible attitude towards World War II.

The greatest error of historical fact in America's popular interpretation of the war is the idea that the United States won it pretty much single-handedly.

So despite actual history, do you still believe America single-handedly won WW2? Why? Is it something school taught you or your parents? Genuinely would like to know.

It was in a HollyWood movie so it must be true. (joking)

 

[Stryder50]

Got some news for ya kiddo:

Being anti tRump does not make one a traitor.

Depends on how one expresses that "anti-tRump" posture.
If it's a repeat of the insurrections of antifa and BLM as seen during Summer of 2020 it would and should be viewed as treason ~ traitor. FWIW those insurrections of 2020 should have been handled as treason, sedition, and secession.

 

[Stryder50]

The Brits had radar all on their own, thank you. Radar did us absolutely no good at Pearl Harbor, did it?

More correctly the next level up the command chain discounted what the radar team reported just before they turned the device off. Upper command thought they were seeing the scheduled flight of B-17s due to arrive about that time.

As so often happens, it isn't the hardware's fault but that of the humans in the operating/command loop.

 

[Stryder50]

So? Declaring war on the USA was Hitler’s biggest blunder. Without that, the US might have adopted a Japan first policy giving Germany a few more years of survival.

I doubt that.
FDR and Churchill had a few conferences with each other prior to Dec. 7, 1941 and their consensus already was that Germany was the greater threat and should be the primary focus, once the USA actively joined the war as a belligerent.

 

[Zavulon]

Except KMT was also a recipient of Lend-Lease along with UK before USSR got on that list. By Spring of 1941 USA Lend-Lease to KMT included the arrangements to fund, equip, and staff the American Volunteer Group of fighter planes and pilots, known later as the Flying Tigers.

Yes. But in the alternative reality, in which the Germans don't plan to attack Russia, and have more resources to fight Britain (both German resources and bought in Russian resources) America might be forced to increase supply of British forces (and decrease supply of KMT).

Also, Russia and Japan had a bit of a fracas earlier over Manchuria so if anything USSR would have used CCP to assist against Japan before bothering with KMT.

May be. But after Khalkhin Gol, Russia and Japan signed mutually acceptable treaty, and more likely, if in the our alternative reality Pearl Harbour happened too, Russia (and her CCP proxy) had a choice: a) to fight KMT and Japanese simultaneously or b) first finish KMT and then fight Japanese or c) demand significant material American support and greater part in Japanese territory (and serious security guarantees in the post war world order) and fight against Japan in the joint front of USSR, USA, CCP and KMT.