Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[The Irish Ram]

Your history knowledge is like your personality, piss poor -

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You probably have no idea why the US entered WW2.

Because the US supplied arms and money to Ukraine, and if Ukraine won, you would have been stupid enough to claim victory on their part.

That's why I'm interested in knowing if it's your education system or your parents that are at fault with American's poor history knowledge.

My education is fine. None of you could defeat Hitler, so we did it for you.

I can tell you the names of the ancestors that fought in our revolution. I know who started the war that led to the Treaty of Greenville. I'm sitting on the creek where it happened. While there were a few participants, the French, the American Indians, Spain, and others that hated England, like the Dutch, while the Romans tapped in to support your insane King. < one of many inbreds you call leaders. What it boiled down to was us against you, and we kicked your ass. So much for your "empire". And now you are overrun with Muslims kicking your ass. You might want to learn a little bit about Iran, since you are becoming Iran...
Is that your call to prayer I hear blaring?

 

[Stryder50]

You have it backwards. German resources were sent to the Russian front, and bled from the western front.
The war against Russia was bleeding German resources at unsustainable rates. Germany had to call off the invasion of Britain

Key factors contributing to Germany's failures:

Shifting Priorities:
Hitler's attention shifted to the Eastern Front, and the invasion of the Soviet Union diverted resources and focus away from the British campaign.

There wasn't much of a Western Front in June 1941.

USA entry, result of Pearl Harbor attack, 7 Dec. 1941, was six months away. And USA was just in the start of a build-up for the war, but much of our production then was funneled into Lend-Lease for the Brits.

The Brits BTW were mostly engaged, and stretched thin, in the Middle East where they had put down revolts in Iran and Syria along with having blunted the Italian attacks in North Africa, only to have to deal with Rommel and his Africa Korps. Also heavy involved in Navy activity in the Mediterranean and the North Atlantic convoys.

The invasion of Britain was called off before the end of 1940 due to lack of any way to neutralize the Royal Navy interfering, along with river barges collected not being suitable, safe, and reliable for cross Channel invasion. Amphibious invasion of England/UK had never been in the pre-war planning by Germany.

Russia began to bleed German resources, especially ground troops, about Dec. 1941 onward when the invasion stalled in front of Moscow. The "bleed" increased during the campaigns of Spring and Summer of 1941, especially later after the set-backs resulting from Stalingrad.

My reference to drains by the USA Strategic Bombing Campaign start in late 1943 when the USA had bombers in numbers enough to get through and start to do real damage. Going into 1944 is when USA numbers of bombers and escorting fighters started to drain German defense fighters to point of drawing increasing numbers from the Russian Front.

As German fighter interceptors dwindled and weren't enough to stop the bombers, the need for Anti-aircraft Artillery, AAA, grew and those 88mm and larger cannons produced, and pulled from the Russian campaign, were needed in greater numbers. These larger guns would have been helpful as anti-tank weapons had they not been needed in the anti-bomber role.

Point being that a war like World War Two was one of complexity such that a variety of factors and events influenced seemingly unrelated issues, sometimes critically.

Also, victory in Tunisia, May 1943, along with following invasions to Sicily and Italian mainland during the Summer also started drain of German ground and air forces to that area.

 

[Stryder50]

The fact is that in 1939 Stalin and Hitler had signed a pack making them allies. Russia served Germany well by protecting its rear while Germany focused on taking France and otherwise extending successes attacking the west. (Germany would shortly invade and take Poland and the Ukraine was part of Stalin's empire.)

But Hitler hated the Russians and the Jews and after Russia had served its purpose, it was his intention all along to take Russia down. (This from a least two or three documentary histories I read of that period.) Fascism could not exist indefinitely alongside "Stalinism" i.e. the Russian version of Marxist socialism.

But Hitler seriously miscalculated by opening a serious second front before he had completed defeating the Brits and other allies. It almost certainly shortened the war and played a huge part in the Nazi demise.

Hitler also started the war with Russia about six months before the USA was drawn in as a direct combatant. Few, even Hitler, had the crystal ball that would tell if and/or when the USA would become involved in the War.

 

[Stryder50]

Churchill begged us. Without the Americans, this is what all of your country would have looked like:
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And you would be speaking German. You were not winning the war. You needed us to defeat Hitler. And when we died on the beach at Normandy, was there even 1 French asshole there on the beaches?
You didn't stop Hitler. France didn't stop Hitler. Poland didn't stop Hitler. We did. And we would have done it without the little support from your country if we had to. The world was in awe of our courage.
We had the mightiest military. We had the biggest factories. We could spit out a Mustang in 100 days.
The only thing England could do was ask for help. It was not our war, but yours. And yet, almost half a million Americans died saving Europe.
You are welcome, you little ingrate...

The Immortals: The World War II Story of Five Fearless Heroes, the Sinking of the Dorchester, and an Awe-inspiring Rescue​

The Free French military was involved early on, mostly in the MTO, Mediterranean combats and had division deployed in Italy by the start of 1944. Most of the weapons and equipment used by the Free French were of USA manufacture.

There are reasons why neither Poland (also invaded by Russia when invaded by Germany) nor France could defeat Germany and courage is low on the list.

The USA was still gearing up in production and growth of our military, our Army was about 16th in size compared to others in Sept. 1939, and we didn't start to "spit out a Mustang in 100 days" until around 1944. Training the pilot to fly the Mustang usually took about a year or more.

England was essential in many ways, but biggest might have been as providing an unsinkable "aircraft carrier" for our Air Forces to base on.

 

[Stryder50]

Lend lease supported all our alies, but the USSR played the biggest role in taking out the Russian army. They defeated the Germany in the biggest tank battle ever in Kursk, where America played no part.

I think you meant to say "taking out the German army.", not "Russian".
USA had no direct part in Kursk although some USA made tanks and aircraft fought that battle, and we had supplied things like trucks, half-tracks, jeeps, radios, assorted supplies and other equipment, and FOOD ~ Spam !

 

[Stryder50]

In my opinion we shouldn't have interceded so quickly and let a war of attrition go on between the worst leaders in the 20th century,

Too many innocents were also dying during that war of attrition.
You are comfortable with that.

 

[Stryder50]

The USSR did most of the work in beating the Nazis
The US beat Japan mostly by ourselves

USSR bore the brunt of the Ground fighting, perhaps as much as 60-75%, but Allied efforts helped in many ways to keep the pressure on Russia lower than it could have been.

USA daylight Strategic Bombing had a major role in reducing German resources and production that would have been used against Russia.

And Russia may not have been as successful(or at all) without USA Lend-Lease, especially the food we sent them.

 

[Stryder50]

The fact is that in 1939 Stalin and Hitler had signed a pack making them allies. Russia served Germany well by protecting its rear while Germany focused on taking France and otherwise extending successes attacking the west. (Germany would shortly invade and take Poland and the Ukraine was part of Stalin's empire.)

But Hitler hated the Russians and the Jews and after Russia had served its purpose, it was his intention all along to take Russia down. (This from a least two or three documentary histories I read of that period.) Fascism could not exist indefinitely alongside "Stalinism" i.e. the Russian version of Marxist socialism.

But Hitler seriously miscalculated by opening a serious second front before he had completed defeating the Brits and other allies. It almost certainly shortened the war and played a huge part in the Nazi demise.

During that brief "honeymoon" Russia also grabbed a chunk of East Poland, the Baltic States, and attacked Finland, and got a chunk of Hungry, or was it Romania.

Remember that the USA wasn't in the war at the time Hitler attacked Russia, so a "Neutral", not an Ally. Hitler didn't realize or expect his war in the West would grow that much.

There are claims by some that Stalin's military being massed on his border with German territory is because Stalin was planning to attack Germany.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sept. 1939, and we didn't start to "spit out a Mustang in 100 days" until around 1944. Training the pilot to fly the Mustang usually took about a year or more

The P-51 Mustang:

The prototype NA-73X airframe was completed on 9 September 1940, 102 days after contract signing, achieving its first flight on 26 October.
North American Aviation designed the Mustang in 1940 to satisfy a British order, the prototype's first flight taking place just 149 days after contract signing.

 

[Stryder50]

Biden passed $1.2 trillion in infrastructure

Trump just tears things down without a clue on how to replace them

Only about $0.2 trillion to infrastructure. The rest is pork.

 

[Stryder50]

The P-51 Mustang:

The prototype NA-73X airframe was completed on 9 September 1940, 102 days after contract signing, achieving its first flight on 26 October.
North American Aviation designed the Mustang in 1940 to satisfy a British order, the prototype's first flight taking place just 149 days after contract signing.

Which would become the P-51A, with Allison engine. The Merlin came installed in later models of the "B".
Also some of that early production run was towards the A-36 ground attack(dive) bomber version.
The production effort of the P-51B/C and later D didn't hit high gear until about mid 1943 when more USAAF units began to trade in the P-47 Thunderbolts for the 'stang.

 

[rightwinger]

Only about $0.2 trillion to infrastructure. The rest is pork.

You guys keep making that shit up

 

[Stryder50]

Ohio.
COLUMBUS, Ohio – The average price of gas in Ohio has dipped below $2 per gallon for the first time in more than five years.
You'll see it nationwide soon now that the gas and oil companies are unencumbered by Biden regulations and the lack of permits.

Not in the Soviet State of Washington.
Our taxes on gasoline are more than $2.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You guys keep making that shit up

In that case, you can easily show us where all that money went. Ready, set, GO!

 

[Stryder50]

Actually, if Germany were respecting the non-aggression treaty with Russia they still might have access to Azerbaijan and Caucasian oil. They might have much more profits by mutually profitable trade with Russia rather than by the temporary occupation of some European regions of Russia (or not, it need to be calculated). And in this case, Britain migh think about bombing campaign against Azerbaijan oil fields and occupation of Iran. And it changes the situation drastically. Soviet-British war over Iran and Azerbaijan might distract significant forces from other theaters. Say nothing about much more earlier victory of CCP over KMT in China (with significant advantages for Russia and disadvantages for the USA).

Except Mao/CCP opted to sit on the sidelines and le tKMT, with USA assist, fight the Japanese. Mao/CCP husbanded their strength waiting for the post-war opportunity.

 

[Stryder50]

Yep … and then we went on to knock up all the German, Japanese, Italian, and English girls in exchange for Hershey bars.

But that wasn't rape, it was business.
Usually took more than Hershey bars. Stocking, cigarettes, Spam, etc. was needed.

 

[Litwin]

The Soviets had the German advances blunted somewhat by the end of 1942, but 1943 still saw German advances until the the Battle of Kursk in July 1943. At that point the German's began to lose ground and retreat.

As pointed out many times here, USA Lend-Lease was essential to keeping the Allies in the fight and making the progress they did.

France as a nation was occupied and it's colonies the source of Free French military were largely supplied with USA aircraft, combat vehicles, weapons, trucks, ammo and food.

UK was dependent upon food and essential resources and equipment coming in across the North Atlantic via merchant ship convoys out of the USA. The Battle of the Atlantic against Germany's U-boats was therefore of greatest importance and affect.
As for the German invasion of the UK, such was never in the German pre-war plans. It was largely canceled because the Germans doubted the could prevent the Royal Navy from intervening and the lack of real amphibious capability. River barges to cross Channel was also a recipe for disaster.

As for the Soviet Union, the war on their land could have last a lot longer (years?) were it not for USA Lend-Lease, especially during 1942-1943. Most important was the food we shipped which kept that country from starving and the tens of thousands of trucks that we sent as well, allowing better transport of troops and supplies to the front.

The Soviet ZIS that they started the war with was plentiful and had it's uses, but only rear wheel drive limited it's us off-road. For that matter most Soviet roads being unpaved, about half the year they became impassable mud.

ZIS-5 (truck) - Wikipedia

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Where-as the USA Studebaker is the truck that helped Russia win their part of the war.

How the U.S. Studebaker became the Soviet 'victory truck' (PHOT​

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The Studebaker deserves a monument like those everywhere to the famous T-34 tank,” wrote artilleryman Ilya Maryasin. The darling of Soviet military drivers, the Studebaker-US6 was a real lifesaver for the Red Army, which experienced a chronic shortage of vehicles throughout WWII. It was the most exported vehicle to the USSR under the Lend-Lease program — up to 200,000 were delivered to the country during the conflict.
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Interesting photos in the above link.
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In USA markings (white star) but same as provided to USSR.
Ford, GMC, & Dodge also provide similar 6x6, as well as some 4x4s.

In 1963, KGB monitoring recorded Bolshevik Marshal Georgy Zhukov (nickname Grishka Catafalque) saying: "... it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."

WHAT our commie, Moscow imperialistic & pro-Moscow members think-feel about this ?

Thread 'Zhukov (nickname Grishka Catafalque): "... it cannot be denied that the USA sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or co'

Jan 14, 2025

WHAT our Moscow imperialistic & pro Moscow members think-feel about it ?

In 1963, KGB monitoring recorded Bolshevik Marshal Georgy Zhukov (nickname Grishka Catafalque) saying: "... it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."...

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[Litwin]

But that wasn't rape, it was business.
Usually took more than Hershey bars. Stocking, cigarettes, Spam, etc. was needed.

I can't imagine that anybody could not know this in our day, but if anyone doubts that FDR saved the Bolshevik empire with massive aid, read Dr. Sean McMeekin's 2021 book Stalin's War.

The long history of Russian military looting, pillaging, and stealing

 

[Stryder50]

Your history knowledge is like your personality, piss poor -

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You probably have no idea why the US entered WW2.

Because the US supplied arms and money to Ukraine, and if Ukraine won, you would have been stupid enough to claim victory on their part.

That's why I'm interested in knowing if it's your education system or your parents that are at fault with American's poor history knowledge.

US entered because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was followed by Germany declaring war on the US.
We might have had reason sooner considering German U-boats had attacked two USN destroyers earlier in the year, killing American sailors.
As it was Lend-lease helped draw us into the war, and provided the start on needed industrial and military build-up for the USA.

BTW, mostly fault of our education system, which has many other faults.

 

[Stryder50]

The colonies were getting their arses kicked, the French came to their rescue to win the war, the colonies couldn't do that. Here's a photo of a statue I took in Paris -

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I took a close up photo of the inscription so folk can research the commandant -

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Why aren't you speaking French you ungrateful twat?

But back to the WW2 problem that you suffer from too.

France was getting back for the French and Indian War, etc. of about a decade or so earlier. Plus had no intention to "conquer" the colonies, rather to stick to the Brits.