Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[AZrailwhale]

What evidence do you have that Stalin wanted to conquer Europe?

John C. Carleton Here you go.

 

[westwall]

To prevent the Germans from taking all of Poland up to their border, i told you all this but you seem to be stuck in some alternative History, operation Barbarossa was launched not all that long after so if the Germans had two million plus troops in Eastern Poland you can imagine the result.

Bullshit. Stalin and Hitler agreed to carve up Poland as allies do when they work together to conquer a country.

 

[westwall]

Why didn't the west sign a agreement with the Soviets against the Nazis as they asked for? because they were hoping Hitler would attack the Soviet Union before Europe.

The question is why didn't the western powers declare war on the Soviet Union as well as Germany.

THAT is the question.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Obviously it wasn't just the US that won against Germany in WWII and it wasn't just Britain and Russia either. Other European nations were involved via a combination of guerilla tactics and some military forces.
There was also another factor. Hitler and Mussolini took on too many nations at once.

 

[Zavulon]

they invaded a sovereign country, Poland.

There were no such country at Sep, 17 of 1939. It already ceased it existence. Second, this country attacked Russian ally in 1938, and it cancelled Soviet-Polish non-aggresion pact.
We knew it, England and France knew it (and that's why they didn't declare war on Russia) and Polish guys knew that they were not in Eastern Poland, but in Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. That's why there was no any organized resistance.

 

[Deadstick]

The question is why didn't the western powers declare war on the Soviet Union as well as Germany.

THAT is the question.

Because they knew Hitler was the real threat to them and it proved to be so.

 

[westwall]

Because they knew Hitler was the real threat to them and it proved to be so.

The following decades of Cold War prove that lie.

 

[Deadstick]

The following decades of Cold War prove that lie.

No it didn't because the cold war happened after the threat of Hitler had been dealt with from 1939, the cold war was just geopolitics and it was started by the West, and even after the Soviet Union was gone more than tree decades ago they are still waging that war but now it's against Russia.

 

[westwall]

No it didn't because the cold war happened after the threat of Hitler had been dealt with from 1939, the cold war was just geopolitics and it was started by the West, and even after the Soviet Union was gone more than tree decades ago they are still waging that war but now it's against Russia.

The reality is Stalin wanted to conquer Europe. He was planning on attacking in 1942. We KNOW this thanks to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the access to their archives.

You can lie all you want, but the facts are known.

 

[Deadstick]

The reality is Stalin wanted to conquer Europe. He was planning on attacking in 1942. We KNOW this thanks to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the access to their archives.

You can lie all you want, but the facts are known.

We know no such thing, would have could have but didn't, Hitler would have could have and DID, why the hell would Stalin attack on Europe in 1942, i think he had his hands full trying to check Barbarossa.

 

[westwall]

We know no such thing, would have could have but didn't, Hitler would have could have and DID, why the hell would Stalin attack on Europe in 1942, i think he had his hands full trying to check Barbarossa.

The document record proves you're lying.

 

[Deadstick]

The document record proves you're lying.

So show the Documents.

 

[Kruska]

So show the Documents.

This could be interesting for you.



It also kind of explains, as to why Wehrmacht members of the southern Group - captured Map's pertaining to Germany in captured Russian tanks and by Russian troops, belonging to the so called Soviet Frontier Army. (The latter is not some Nazi propaganda - but these captured maps can be viewed in the German National Bundesarchive.

Clear is that both Hitler and Stalin knew that only one could survive each other. And that both political systems where in direct opposition.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The Russian PEOPLE certainly do. Their socialist masters don't and didn't give a damn.

That's why to clear minefields they sent troops through them. The rounded up entire villages and marched them into German machine gun positions to run them out of bullets.

You have to be braindead to look at the casualty rates and ignore the fact that the communist party detested its own people.

Stalin also remembered 1917. I wonder if he was thinking that the more soldiers killed, the less he had to worry about a coup. (That was a reason Mao sent all his veterans to get killed in Korea.)

The US drafted millions of soldiers. You were told to die for your country half a world away
Soviets were highly patriotic. They fought for their homeland. Their motivation was different

**** me running, you're an idiot. There was no shortage of volunteers-the contrary, there were TOO MANY. Volunteers were being turned AWAY because they couldn't handle the volume-people were told to basically go home and wait to be drafted.

The Soviets were slaves fighting because they feared their own leaders more than the Germans.

Soviet soldiers were liquored up and pointed in a direction. If they didn't do as they were told the Commisar shot them.

The Commisars killed hundreds of thousands. At least 20,000 in stalingrad alone.

You're such an ignorant toad.

No, he is a lying propagandist.

Most advanced with grossly inferior tanks? The Germans had a more professional army. That's it. They were only superior in tactics.

Their air force was VASTLY superior, especially in the early days of the invasion. (Indeed-they had about a 10:1 kill ratio over the Soviets in 1941.)

 

[Jarlaxle]

Then there was the Burma Campaign.

BBC - History - World Wars: The Burma Campaign 1941 - 1945

The 'forgotten war', by Michael Hickey

www.bbc.co.uk

And New Guinea, which was, on land, mostly British/Australian troops.

“If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project [NATO] will have failed.”-General of the Army Dwight Eisenhower, February, 1951

It did.

Stop lying about Hitler being an ally of the Soviets, talking of allies i believe the ford plant was still operating in Germany through the war using slave labour, same with Coca Cola and IBM.

You cannot be this thick. It's not possible.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jarlaxle]

It's plain lie. The Soviets didn't take "eastern Poland". The Soviets liberated "Western Ukraine and Western Belarus".

First, this "nation" was already dead at the moment of September 17, 1939 (say nothing that that geographical nonsense should not exist at all). We just saved what was possible to save. Second, Poland in 1938 commited an act of aggression against Soviet ally - Czechoslovakia, and, therefore, cancelled Soviet-Polish non-aggresion pact.
So, it was an act of collective self-defense.

**** me running, you're pathetic. Are you paid in rubles, dollars, euros, or cheap vodka?

That's what i said, the Soviets secured their Western border before the Nazis crossed it.

That's a lie. The Soviets and Germans agreed in a TREATY to carve up Poland. The Soviets also attacked Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Finland.

To prevent the Germans from taking all of Poland up to their border, i told you all this but you seem to be stuck in some alternative History, operation Barbarossa was launched not all that long after so if the Germans had two million plus troops in Eastern Poland you can imagine the result.

Yet again: the Soviets and Germans signed a treaty to carve up Poland. There were joint German-Soviet victory parades in at least two Polish cities.

The Soviets aided Germany. They AGREED before the invasion to attack Poland too.

Yes.

 

[westwall]

Stalin also remembered 1917. I wonder if he was thinking that the more soldiers killed, the less he had to worry about a coup. (That was a reason Mao sent all his veterans to get killed in Korea.)



**** me running, you're an idiot. There was no shortage of volunteers-the contrary, there were TOO MANY. Volunteers were being turned AWAY because they couldn't handle the volume-people were told to basically go home and wait to be drafted.

The Soviets were slaves fighting because they feared their own leaders more than the Germans.



No, he is a lying propagandist.



Their air force was VASTLY superior, especially in the early days of the invasion. (Indeed-they had about a 10:1 kill ratio over the Soviets in 1941.)

Only in skill, not in numbers. The Me109 and 110 that they invaded with were superior to the I-15s and 16s that the Soviets had along the Frontline, but in the interior, the Soviets had their most advanced aircraft, and those were equal to, if not superior to the Getman aircraft.

What Germans had was superior tactics, training, and doctrine.

Exactly as I claimed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Only in skill, not in numbers. The Me109 and 110 that they invaded with were superior to the I-15s and 16s that the Soviets had along the Frontline, but in the interior, the Soviets had their most advanced aircraft, and those were equal to, if not superior to the Getman aircraft.

What Germans had was superior tactics, training, and doctrine.

Exactly as I claimed.

Until the Yak 9 EVERY Russian fighter was inferior to western fighters. They loved the P-39 which the WAllies classed as a dog unfit for combat.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Until the Yak 9 EVERY Russian fighter was inferior to western fighters. They loved the P-39 which the WAllies classed as a dog unfit for combat.

Which it WAS...in the west. On the Eastern Front, air combat was generally at low altitude, where the Airacobra was excellent.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Which it WAS...in the west. On the Eastern Front, air combat was generally at low altitude, where the Airacobra was excellent.

in the west the p-39 was an excellent fighter bomber