Zone1 Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?

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Maybe you're inexperienced in understanding this form of meaning, since you attribute your meaning to a more objective, eternal thing. I maintain that impermanence does not make something meaningless. It doesn't have to last forever to have meant something to the person living that life.

I'll be real; you're coming off as pretty judgmental and short-sighted right now. It takes a lot of arrogance, even cruelty, to tell somebody the meaning they derive from life is meaningless. Are you being any better than a militant atheist right now?

Despite the claim that all that exists is the material world, atheists will almost always point to the things that aren’t material as why life is worth living.

So in effect their actions do not match their beliefs.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Despite the claim that all that exists is the material world, atheists

Despite atheism not being materialism, ding

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, without an objective, eternal foundation, values are preferences we choose or develop, and different people will prioritize different things.

What I’m saying is that subjective meaning still matters deeply to the people who live it. Whether the universe was created by accident or design, the experiences we have and the values we hold shape how we live and what makes life worth living. Choosing love as a guiding value isn’t objectively “better” in a cosmic sense, but it is profoundly meaningful to those who embody it.

Even if our time here is finite and the universe indifferent, the way we choose to live and the meanings we create give us a kind of personal truth and fulfillment that is very real. Being subjective doesn’t make it meaningless or irrational. It just means that meaning is a human, lived experience, not a universal fact waiting to be discovered.

Pretty words attempting to cover up a difficult truth: you are finding a nice way to spend the time you have here before you're worm food. Just like everyone before and everyone after.

In some ways I have more respect for atheists who absolutely understand and embrace the meaninglessness of life from their worldview.

 

[SweetSue92]

No one who wasted their life worshipping a false god that does not exist is going to get any presents from the living God who does.

One thing about atheists: they claim to hate God but will always, with no reservations, put themselves on the Judgment Throne

 

[ding]

Despite atheism not being materialism, ding

Except atheism is predicated on the belief that all that exists is the material.

 

[PeterPilot]

Incorrect. People do bad things for their own good.

There are exceptions to every rule sir. SOME people do bad things for causes. What the Zionist State has done since its inception is do wicked things in the name of religion.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Except atheism is predicated on the belief that all that exists is the material.

What, no link to back your BS opinion?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There’s a difference between being feckless and being fair.

Cool. So, what caused a well off doctor to kill himself in a plane on 9/11, if not for his religion?

What causes men to kill their daughters for honor because they showed their ankles t9 the wrong man, of not for their religion?

You can't put words in "just the right order" and wriggle out from under this.

If you’re interested in clarity, I’m with you, but, clarity means depth. It means honesty. It means being brave enough to see the whole picture, even if it’s inconvenient.

Which i have done repeatedly. And I have tried to explain that I am keying in on religion because it is the topic.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Despite atheism not being materialism, ding

Correct, these are not the same.

Charlatans like to employ the bait and switch.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

One thing about atheists: they claim to hate God but will always, with no reservations, put themselves on the Judgment Throne

No they don't claim that. How idiotic.

 

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There are exceptions to every rule sir. SOME people do bad things for causes. What the Zionist State has done since its inception is do wicked things in the name of religion.

I suspect they have done what they believed was for the good of their people. No one does evil for the sake of evil.

 

[ding]

What, no link to back your BS opinion?

You shouldn’t need a link for the self evident. Nor should you define anything through a negation. Saying atheists only believe in a material existence is the affirmative way of stating their beliefs.

 

[PeterPilot]

I suspect they have done what they believed was for the good of their people. No one does evil for the sake of evil.

You're naive.

 

[ding]

You're naive.

Sometimes but not this time. I believe you are a subversive trying to subordinate religion.

 

[Catman51]

Cool. So, what caused a well off doctor to kill himself in a plane on 9/11, if not for his religion?

What causes men to kill their daughters for honor because they showed their ankles t9 the wrong man, of not for their religion?

You can't put words in "just the right order" and wriggle out from under this.



Which i have done repeatedly. And I have tried to explain that I am keying in on religion because it is the topic.

No, you continue to demand answers of questions that are the personal decisaio0ns of the individual and trying to blame it on religion. This may or may not be the reason for some actions, but no one is responsible to you to give an explanation to you. Much as yo seem to think you are the sole judge of everything, you are not. You just want to control every action of others.

 

[hobelim]

Wisdom isn’t given to jackanapes.

Exactly! Even worse than that they die the death, a curse that you so perfectly put on full display for all to see.

Thats the reason you cannot see that setting aside the Law of God to seek spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat on your knees is a shameful and brazen display of contempt for God and an open desecration of the teachings of Jesus which is The Actual Body of Christ.

Eternal life, words that Jesus received from God like bread from heaven that became his flesh, his teaching, cannot be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food. How stupid is that?

A wise person would hear those same words and think to themselves, he's right, and just stop with the stupidity.

Seriously, how hard is that? It doesn't cost a penny, there is no mountain to climb, no arcane mystery to solve, no pilgrimage to make, no 40 days and 40 nights starving in the desert required, no church necessary, no chanting, no ritualistic trickery, no decade in a seminary needed, no schooling necessary, no priest in resplendent robes to throw spare change at and no human sacrifice or celebrating the death of Jesus needed. Its really very easy.

Just be honest with yourself and stop saying and doing stupid things, things that you already know are stupid.

 

[ding]

Exactly! Even worse than that they die the death, a curse that you so perfectly put on full display for all to see.

Thats the reason you cannot see that setting aside the Law of God to seek spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat on your knees is a shameful and brazen display of contempt for God and an open desecration of the teachings of Jesus which is The Actual Body of Christ.

Eternal life, words that Jesus received from God like bread from heaven that became his flesh, his teaching, cannot be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food. How stupid is that?

A wise person would hear those same words and think to themselves, he's right, and just stop with the stupidity.

Seriously, how hard is that? It doesn't cost a penny, there is no mountain to climb, no arcane mystery to solve, no pilgrimage to make, no 40 days and 40 nights starving in the desert required, no church necessary, no chanting, no ritualistic trickery, no high priest in resplendent robes and no human sacrifice needed. Its really very easy.

Just be honest with yourself and stop saying and doing stupid things, things that you already know are stupid.

Spoken like a religious nutjob who uses every opportunity to attack his rival religion.

 

[hobelim]

Spoken like a religious nutjob who uses every opportunity to attack his rival religion.

Who do you think you are fooling? You thought the same exact things when you were a child. Try to remember.

What were you thinking when you first heard that it is a violation of the law of God to bow down to and worship anything made by human hands and then heard it said that as a catholic you will set aside that law to seek spiritual life from bread made by human hands? No alarm bells went off in your head? Didn't notice the trap?

Bullshit.

You were paralyzed by fear and apparently still are. Some faith you have going on. Poppet. If you didn't notice anything amiss between what you were taught and what you do in church you are worse off than I ever imagined.

 

[hobelim]

One thing about atheists: they claim to hate God

Just one question.

How can anyone hate that which they have no reason to believe exists, especially when Christians make so many irrational claims about GOD that require a "believer" to dismiss everything they know to be true about literature, figurative language, fairy tales, not to mention well known scientific facts about biology, history, and reality??

Maybe they just hate the smell of bullshit?

Don't you?

A trinity impregnated a 14 year old Jewish virgin to father himself so that he could become a man, say nutty things, abolish his own law, and become "a perfect human sacrifice" so that believers who admit they are worthless pieces of sinning shit and celebrate his torture and death and eat him every now and then on Sunday can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life, and not die, because God loved the Roman world so much?

And all you have to do is eat this bullshit sandwich daily for the rest of your life and you get to go to heaven after you die..... for a nominal service charge; (10% of your income for life, your weekly spare change, your dignity, your self respect, your soul, your sanity, and all of your children.)

Seriously.

Can't you smell that smell?

 

[ding]

Who do you think you are fooling? You thought the same exact things when you were a child. Try to remember.

What were you thinking when you first heard that it is a violation of the law of God to bow down to and worship anything made by human hands and then heard it said that as a catholic you will set aside that law to seek spiritual life from bread made by human hands? No alarm bells went off in your head? Didn't notice the trap?

Bullshit.

You were paralyzed by fear and apparently still are. Some faith you have going on. Poppet. If you didn't notice anything amiss between what you were taught and what you do in church you are worse off than I ever imagined.

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You don’t know the first thing about me. What you are intending for evil God is using for good. I have chosen the better portion. It will not be taken from me.