Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

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You see, we are still a capitalist nation.
Nope. We're a Keynesian nation.

The article's author over there clearly lacks a grasp of economic theory and monetary policy both.
Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.

Keynes has consistently called for long term solvency.
What they're supposed to do and end up doing nearly always end up being vastly different...
Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do....Keynesian theory relies upon economic central control, which is the realm of politicians.....It's a shit show as a matter of course.

Like all the other fanciful fantasies of socialist Utopia, it all comes crashing down when you introduce the element of capricious, ignorant, and outright greedy humans.
 

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Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.
Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.
No, we're not socialists. You could move though and we would help you fly away.
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Question: What is the number of Socialists who leave America to escape Capitalism?
 

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You see, we are still a capitalist nation.
Nope. We're a Keynesian nation.

The article's author over there clearly lacks a grasp of economic theory and monetary policy both.
Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.

Keynes has consistently called for long term solvency.
What they're supposed to do and end up doing nearly always end up being vastly different...
Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
 

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Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.
Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.
No, we're not socialists. You could move though and we would help you fly away.
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Answer: Zero
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Question: What is the number of Socialists who leave America to escape Capitalism?
What?...You haven't heard of all those boat people, jumping on dangerous and leaky rafts, navigating through shark infested waters, in order to get from Florida to Cuba?

Oh, wait.....:auiqs.jpg:
 

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Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.
 

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Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.
Great post
 

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Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.
Well when your definition of socialism is stuff you don't like...
 

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Nope. We're a Keynesian nation.

The article's author over there clearly lacks a grasp of economic theory and monetary policy both.
Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.

Keynes has consistently called for long term solvency.
What they're supposed to do and end up doing nearly always end up being vastly different...
Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
 

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Trillions in tax cuts for billionaires is the ultimate form of socialism. Talk about “free stuff“. To be able to use the infrastructure of an entire country and just rape money from that country. It’s so anti-American and such a disgrace.
Unfortunately, this is who the Republican Party has become.

None of that is actually factual
 

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Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.
And a frog wouldn't bump his little bottom on the rocks if he had wings.

You can't deficit spend your way into presperity. Duh.
 

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Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.

Keynes has consistently called for long term solvency.
What they're supposed to do and end up doing nearly always end up being vastly different...
Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
....let me rephrase it for you, so you can maybe understand this simple idea:

There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular people's doings.


Just because America consistently refuses to fix it's long term solvency problem, does not mean that Keynsian economic theory is fiscally irresponsible. It just means America is not a very good practitioner of that particular economic theory (primarily because we have an insidious tax-cut cult on the Republican side).
 

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Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.
Well when your definition of socialism is stuff you don't like...

No.
 

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Socialism has put America in Debt to the tune of $23 Trillion Dollars.

I know lefty doesn't understand money, or how to balance their check book.....but

That's a LOTTAH MONEY!
 

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What they're supposed to do and end up doing nearly always end up being vastly different...
Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
....let me rephrase it for you, so you can maybe understand this simple idea:

There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular people's doings.


Just because America consistently refuses to fix it's long term solvency problem, does not mean that Keynsian economic theory is fiscally irresponsible. It just means America is not a very good practitioner of that particular economic theory (primarily because we have an insidious tax-cut cult on the Republican side).
And you want America to trust your party with Free Healthcare, Free College, Free Guaranteed Income?
 

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Bullshit, Keynesian nation would pay down the debts in good economic times.
And a frog wouldn't bump his little bottom on the rocks if he had wings.

You can't deficit spend your way into presperity. Duh.
WTF? Raising some taxes and cutting some spending in good times is NOT AT ALL like frogs having wings.

One is perfectly realistic if we make fiscal solvency a priority and the other is a fucking fantasy - are you too crazy to tell one from the other?
 

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Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.
Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.
stop throwing democratic in front of socialism in an attempt to make it sound more appealing
socialism is socialism no matter what word you throw in front of it
it's like putting democratic in front of communism to make communism acceptable and appealing
The primary defining characteristic is workers self management.
If workers are managing themselves, this like has to be done democratically.

Freedom. Are workers managing themselves have more freedom?

Is this freedom?
Another ignorant liberal that thinks wealth is finite that one having more wealth causes another to have less

your ignorance discredits you from having any intelligent conversation on economics
go learn something then you can come back and join the discussion till then you are just embarrassing your self
Labor is finite, with limited supply.
So how can wealth be any different?
no, it is not
what a human can produce is far from finite we constantly increase what a human can produce
there you are again proving your ignorance
 

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Who is "they"? Keynes is long dead and Keynesian economic theory is not hinged on what politicians actually do.
All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
....let me rephrase it for you, so you can maybe understand this simple idea:

There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular people's doings.

Just because America consistently refuses to fix it's long term solvency problem, does not mean that Keynsian economic theory is fiscally irresponsible. It just means America is not a very good practitioner of that particular economic theory (primarily because we have an insidious tax-cut cult on the Republican side).
And you want America to trust your party with Free Healthcare, Free College, Free Guaranteed Income?
What the fuck? Any other brain farts to share? Lets maybe discuss some cats and how cool it is that tin foil reflects the light?
 

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All countries are socialist. The closest to a capitalist country is Somalia. The United States is actually way more socialist than the third world typically is. The third world has often a lack of education, low taxes, no healthcare by government, no welfare state. The United States is actually fairly socialist.
 

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All economic theory is based upon what humans -which includes politicians- do.
Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
....let me rephrase it for you, so you can maybe understand this simple idea:

There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular people's doings.

Just because America consistently refuses to fix it's long term solvency problem, does not mean that Keynsian economic theory is fiscally irresponsible. It just means America is not a very good practitioner of that particular economic theory (primarily because we have an insidious tax-cut cult on the Republican side).
And you want America to trust your party with Free Healthcare, Free College, Free Guaranteed Income?
What the fuck? Any other brain farts to share?
Why should we trust you with a $100 Trillion Dollar Free Shit & New Green Scam Package your politicians in your party are Bribing Voters with?

Why should taxpayers like me consent to paying $100 Trillion Dollars for Free College, Guaranteed Income, Reparations, Free Healthcare, and The New Green Scam?

We are $23 Trillion in debt due to the lefty "War on Poverty" that did nothing but make lefty politicians rich.

Why should we Enslave the Taxpayer even more for your Socialist Agenda?
 

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Nonsense. There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular country's doings.
I didn't say anything about a "country" doing anything...A "country" is an inanimate abstraction.

Only people can act...And economic central control, whether or not being practiced under the rubric of a nation-state, always -yes, I said always- fails in the end.

Keynesianism is just communism with a few extra steps.
....let me rephrase it for you, so you can maybe understand this simple idea:

There is nothing in definition of any economic theory about any particular people's doings.

Just because America consistently refuses to fix it's long term solvency problem, does not mean that Keynsian economic theory is fiscally irresponsible. It just means America is not a very good practitioner of that particular economic theory (primarily because we have an insidious tax-cut cult on the Republican side).
And you want America to trust your party with Free Healthcare, Free College, Free Guaranteed Income?
What the fuck? Any other brain farts to share?
Why should we trust you with a $100 Trillion Dollar Free Shit & New Green Scam Package your politicians in your party are Bribing Voters with?
What the fuck does any of what you just said have to do with what you quoted?

NOTHING is the answer. Please stfu and stop poluting the thread.
 

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