Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

[Rambunctious]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

That's the way it once was...the elected Sheriff was just there to clean up the mess and discover who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

 

[AntonToo]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

sure sure, those bottom line chaising militias will live in perfect harmony with each other, pool togather for the good of the nation and it will be happily ever after.

 

[AntonToo]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

That's the way it once was...the elected Sheriff was just there to clean up the mess and discover who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

You mean publicly funded, socialist Sherif?

 

[Rambunctious]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

That's the way it once was...the elected Sheriff was just there to clean up the mess and discover who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

You mean publicly funded, socialist Sherif?

https://www.quora.com/Are-military-...ll-examples-of-socialism-as-some-people-claim

Socialism means a society organized on positive liberty and workers’ self-management. This would mean that the military, fire department and police would be run by the workers there, bottom-up. To organize they would elect delegates who share their living circumstances, whose decisions can be overridden, positions recalled, who must periodically answer face to face with the assemblies, and who federate with other delegates. Socialism also includes a large array of supporting economic theory of earned and unearned income, economic rent, rentiers, surplus value, etcetera.

That is not how those institutions operate. So they are a public welfare, and a socialist society would operate them as one too, but that’s not what socialism is.

Welfare can well exist in a capitalist society, that’s what a capitalist welfare state or “social democracy” is. The difference between social democracy and democratic socialism is that the latter has an end goal of replacing capitalism and the state with socialism, while social democracy has an end goal of moderated capitalism.

 

[The Original Tree]

Why do Republicans bash socialism - when it's all around them?

We bash socialism because its all around us....but not for long....

Oh yea? When are you going to privatize the police and courts?

So you think law enforcement is socialism????

If government finances it by involuntary taking money from me OF COURSE it is an example of socialist arrangement.

Government finances nothing. Taxpayers do.

No I don't, not in any meaningful way. I have a say in what I finance. The descisions here are that of government I have little to no control over as an individual.

We the People are The Government. We finance whatever we vote to finance. You need to import more Brown Latino Slaves and maybe then you can get enough votes for a full blown Economy Killing Socialist State.

 

[Billiejeens]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.

simply "using the Other Peoples' money is socialism."

No, of course.

 

[Dana7360]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Nothing is wrong with a certain amount of socialism.

The far right radical extremists love socialism. As long as it benefits them.

Their latest demands for more socialism is that stupid wall they want trump to have built.

It's 100% pure socialism.

The problem is that the far right radical extremists have been taught that socialism isn't an economic system but a dictatorship.

Socialism isn't a dictatorship. There's a very big difference.

 

[danielpalos]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

That's the way it once was...the elected Sheriff was just there to clean up the mess and discover who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

The point is, the right wing is barking up the wrong tax tree when they blame the Poor for the cost of social services.

 

[danielpalos]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

sure sure, those bottom line chaising militias will live in perfect harmony with each other, pool togather for the good of the nation and it will be happily ever after.

only the unorganized militia complain about gun controls laws.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.

simply "using the Other Peoples' money is socialism."

No, of course.

Government is social-ism.

 

[AntonToo]

Oh yea? When are you going to privatize the police and courts?

So you think law enforcement is socialism????

If government finances it by involuntary taking money from me OF COURSE it is an example of socialist arrangement.

Government finances nothing. Taxpayers do.

No I don't, not in any meaningful way. I have a say in what I finance. The descisions here are that of government I have little to no control over as an individual.

We the People are The Government.

Yea yea, thats what they told each other in USSR too.

Reality is you have just a smidge more say than your average soviet over what government does with the money it confiscates from you.

Don't want to pay for a war? Tough shit.
Don't want to pay for NASA? Tough shit.
Don't want to pay for Social Security? Tough shit.

 

[Dana7360]

Curious, why do you bash capitalism when it's all around you?

Dare I name some examples?

Your clothes? You paid for them using the capitalist method.
The PC or Laptop you post your garbage on? You paid for it via the capitalist method.
Your car? You more than likely paid for it via the capitalist method.
The food you eat? Paid for by the capitalist method.

You buy, the government taxes, and the seller profits.

Note that all of the examples in your OP are things instituted by government, not the free market. The free market prefers capitalism, for a reason.

Who's bashing capitalism? I engage in it everyday - just like I do socialism. America is a blend of capitalism and socialism - democratic socialism.

No, it isn't. read the democratic socialists agenda, and if you had a quarter of a brain, you would realize how wrong you are.

They sum it up succinctly on the first line of their "About" page:

"Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically"

Despite Lakhota's attempt to define anything and everything government does as socialism, real socialism involves state control of the economy - that's it. That's what socialism is. We can have a little, or a lot, but at the end of the day socialism is government control of society's economic decisions.

No what you're describing is Communism.

That's not the same thing as socialism.

If you were alive from 1945 to 1980 you lived and benefited from democratic socialism.

 

[EduardBernstein]

Oh yea? When are you going to privatize the police and courts?

So you think law enforcement is socialism????

If government finances it by involuntary taking money from me OF COURSE it is an example of socialist arrangement.

Government finances nothing. Taxpayers do.

No I don't, not in any meaningful way. I have a say in what I finance. The descisions here are that of government I have little to no control over as an individual.

We the People are The Government. We finance whatever we vote to finance. You need to import more Brown Latino Slaves and maybe then you can get enough votes for a full blown Economy Killing Socialist State.

Latinos fill a labor shortage. Many of those Latinos are fleeing capitalist shitholes like Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Ecuador, Panama, among others.

 

[Rambunctious]

Keeping the peace is a social END, while economic theory describes the actual MEANS of how it is done - you seem to not understand the difference.

We COULD have a capitalist solution of privatized police, but of course that would be sub-optimal means to keep the peace

A well regulated militia?....okay if that's what you want....

Yes. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

That's the way it once was...the elected Sheriff was just there to clean up the mess and discover who was in the right and who was in the wrong...

The point is, the right wing is barking up the wrong tax tree when they blame the Poor for the cost of social services.

I don't blame the poor I blame the poor education system we have...we should do a much better job of preparing all citizens for life in America...we should find a more fair way of financing public schools so every child gets a fighting chance...our schools should be able to hold kids back if needed until they master their level of education....we should put in place training centers for trades and lose this notion that all kids should go to college...

 

[Mac1958]

Since Republicans toss around the term "socialism" like the Democrats toss around the term "racism", there really is no way to take the whole topic seriously.

No one wants Venezuela. Many would like something closer to Canada, Australia or Germany, but the Republicans don't want to deal with this on that level.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you think law enforcement is socialism????

If government finances it by involuntary taking money from me OF COURSE it is an example of socialist arrangement.

Government finances nothing. Taxpayers do.

No I don't, not in any meaningful way. I have a say in what I finance. The descisions here are that of government I have little to no control over as an individual.

We the People are The Government.

Yea yea, thats what they told each other in USSR too.

Reality is you have just a smidge more say than your average soviet over what government does with the money it confiscates from you.

Don't want to pay for a war? Tough shit.
Don't want to pay for NASA? Tough shit.
Don't want to pay for Social Security? Tough shit.

Not paying for Obama care, thanks to da leader..


You mad bro?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Since Republicans toss around the term "socialism" like the Democrats toss around the term "racism", there really is no way to take the whole topic seriously.

No one wants Venezuela. Many would like something closer to Canada, Australia or Germany, but the Republicans don't want to deal with this on that level.

Liberals dont know what socialism is .

Who are you kidding?

 

[Billiejeens]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Sounds horrible, huh?

Well I hate to be the one to tell you, but Socialism, which you have been told to fear all your life, is responsible for all this...

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.


MORE: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

What the hell is wrong with a little socialism? We live with it. It's all around us. It has made our lives better. It's called Democratic Socialism.


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Of course none of those are examples of Socialism.

simply "using the Other Peoples' money is socialism."

No, of course.

Government is social-ism.

Still no.

 

[Dana7360]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Nope. Socialism is state control of the economy. Try again.

No it's not.

You're confusing communism with socialism.

Did you go to school in the US anywhere from 1950 to 1980? If so you should have been taught that we have a hybrid of socialism and capitalism here in America.

That stopped being taught in our schools in the reagan years.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

Nope. Socialism is state control of the economy. Try again.

No it's not.

You're confusing communism with socialism.

Did you go to school in the US anywhere from 1950 to 1980? If so you should have been taught that we have a hybrid of socialism and capitalism here in America.

That stopped being taught in our schools in the reagan years.

They are the same meathead