Why do people hate Liberals?

[Immanuel]

Gentle correction. Many in politics who CALL themselves conservatives or who are so branded by the left have taken a sharp left turn. They are CINOs, not conservatives. Those who promote ever more government involvement in everything are not conservatives. Those who compromise their values for political expediency are not conservatives.

Modern American Conservatives, of whom I proudly consider myself one, as are those like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Dinesh D'Souza, David Horowitz, Laura Ingraham, Shelby Steele, and many many others. Modern American Conservatism is still alive and well, but is definitely an endangered species if we do not step forward and defend it.

I notice none of those you listed are politicians.

Immie

Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.

Uncensored brought that to my attention, but I don't know that I agree with you in regards to Rand Paul and despite the fact that Paul Ryan was the VP candidate last year I don't know that I can say I know all that much about him. I was not a Romney/Ryan supporter. I refused to vote for the "lesser of two evils" especially when it was not clear which of the two were the lesser.

Immie

 

[Wake]

Some people find some liberals annoying because some liberals race-bait, others seem to have gender issues, and some have an odd sense of equality.

Others are more sensitive, effeminate, whiny, etc. There are also liberals who are quick to judge the straight, white Christian male as the enemy. Obviously, not all liberals are this way. Some are quite likeable, or normal.

There are some liberals who get really sore and butthurt when you have a different opinion, though.

 

[numan]

You are totally delusional Immie.

George W. Bush was the most conservative president we've had since probably Warren G. Harding—and perhaps ever.

Yes, we could tell that by his massive increase in social welfare through Medicare Part D, his attempt to open the Southern border to unlimited illegal immigration, and his international adventurism in nation building...

Why, Bush was almost as "Conservative" as Vlad Lenin or Mao Tse Tung......

Thank goodness for your posting, Uncensored!!

I was beginning to think this thread was coming from Bizarro World America, where "old fashioned, rock-ribbed, solid Conservative" really means "Neo-Conservative, Nazoid, tyrannical terrorism and corruption."!!

There is at least one resemblance between Warren Harding and W. Bush, though.

Until Bush came along and beat him out hollow, Warren Harding was the most corrupt president that ever dishonored the United States.
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[thanatos144]

Who carez about Bush? He isnt fucking up the country anymore Obama and all the progressives are

Welcome to my nightmare

 

[Mr. H.]

I once crossed paths with a liquored-up liberal, a former friend - emphasis on former.
I finally told her to fuck off, in her own home.
Not been invited back since. LOL

 

[Foxfyre]

I notice none of those you listed are politicians.

Immie

Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.

Uncensored brought that to my attention, but I don't know that I agree with you in regards to Rand Paul and despite the fact that Paul Ryan was the VP candidate last year I don't know that I can say I know all that much about him. I was not a Romney/Ryan supporter. I refused to vote for the "lesser of two evils" especially when it was not clear which of the two were the lesser.

Immie

My definition of a modern American conservative is somebody who sees the responsibility of the federal government is to secure our rights, put just enough regulation into effect to allow the various states to function as one country and to prevent us from doing physical, economic, and/or environmental viiolence to each other. Then the federal government is to leave us strictly alone to form whatever sort of society we wish to have and live our lives as we choose. Both Rand Paul and Paul Ryan understand that concept. It has nothing at all to do with who ran for President.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bush conservative? LOL. With his spending? Talk about delusional! What on earth did he do that can even remotely be considered conservative?

Maybe Bush is to the right of someone who is overtly pushing socialism, Obama, but that by no means makes him conservative. Bigger government is a liberal desire not conservative. Bush/Cheney worked to expand government not shrink it. Authoritarian control of the masses is the goal of liberalism... I remind you of the patriot act, NSA wiretapping and Obamacare. These three issues are all liberal efforts to control us.

Bush a conservative LOL, next you will be telling us Romney and Kerry are conservative.

Truth is Clinton was much more conservative than Bush.

Immie

Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.

Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

I am really disappointed in you Immie. You are just as dishonest as the rest of the far right you 'claim' to oppose. The liberal era in America started with the New Deal and ended with the Great society. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city on the hill', the envy of the world.

That era ended at the end of the 1960's and the conservative era began. It has continued ever since. It has been a negative mirror image of the liberal era. We now lead the world only in the dubious like incarcerating human beings, killing innocent people and launching Hirohito sneak attacks on sovereign nations.

Liberals PAID for what they spent through taxes. Conservatives put America on the Beijing credit card.

 

[thanatos144]

Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.

Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

I am really disappointed in you Immie. You are just as dishonest as the rest of the far right you 'claim' to oppose. The liberal era in America started with the New Deal and ended with the Great society. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city on the hill', the envy of the world.

That era ended at the end of the 1960's and the conservative era began. It has continued ever since. It has been a negative mirror image of the liberal era. We now lead the world only in the dubious like incarcerating human beings, killing innocent people and launching Hirohito sneak attacks on sovereign nations.

Liberals PAID for what they spent through taxes. Conservatives put America on the Beijing credit card.

Your a hack

Welcome to my nightmare

 

[Bfgrn]

You are totally delusional Immie.

George W. Bush was the most conservative president we've had since probably Warren G. Harding—and perhaps ever.

Yes, we could tell that by his massive increase in social welfare through Medicare Part D, his attempt to open the Southern border to unlimited illegal immigration, and his international adventurism in nation building...

Why, Bush was almost as "Conservative" as Vlad Lenin or Mao Tse Tung......

Medicare Part D is a PERFECT example of conservatism. Conservatives made no provision in the bill to pay for it. Unlike the VA and Medicaid, it forbids negotiating drug prices and it is a windfall for the pharmaceutical industry.

It is in the conservative spirit of stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.

 

[Bfgrn]

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

I am really disappointed in you Immie. You are just as dishonest as the rest of the far right you 'claim' to oppose. The liberal era in America started with the New Deal and ended with the Great society. It was an era with huge economic growth and shared wealth, fantastic successes in technology, vast expansion of citizen freedoms and liberties and the growth of a middle class that defined this country and made America the 'city on the hill', the envy of the world.

That era ended at the end of the 1960's and the conservative era began. It has continued ever since. It has been a negative mirror image of the liberal era. We now lead the world only in the dubious like incarcerating human beings, killing innocent people and launching Hirohito sneak attacks on sovereign nations.

Liberals PAID for what they spent through taxes. Conservatives put America on the Beijing credit card.

Your a hack

Welcome to my nightmare

A hack is a liar...I am telling the truth. You just don't want to hear it. The words 'national debt' and 'deficits' were not even part of our lexicon when liberals ran this country. Liberals PAID for what they spent. JFK faced a national SURPLUS. But Ronbo Reagan changed all that.

50 years of sound economic policy was replaced with a Voodoo economic policy, you no longer pay for what you spend, you BORROW what you spend.

It took Reagan only 5 years to accomplish what it took all the Presidents combined in the 200 years before Reagan to accomplish...accumulate $1 trillion of national debt.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bush conservative? LOL. With his spending? Talk about delusional! What on earth did he do that can even remotely be considered conservative?

Maybe Bush is to the right of someone who is overtly pushing socialism, Obama, but that by no means makes him conservative. Bigger government is a liberal desire not conservative. Bush/Cheney worked to expand government not shrink it. Authoritarian control of the masses is the goal of liberalism... I remind you of the patriot act, NSA wiretapping and Obamacare. These three issues are all liberal efforts to control us.

Bush a conservative LOL, next you will be telling us Romney and Kerry are conservative.

Truth is Clinton was much more conservative than Bush.

Immie

Immie, I can understand you not wanting to get any of that shit on your shoes, but you are really being deceitful by trying to blame liberals for what conservatives have done. I sure as hell didn't hear any conservatives critical of Bush and Cheney when they were in power. I know you will say you were, and I would tend to believe YOU. But I hear that story all the time. Problem is I was on this and other boards when Bush was in office...there was not a PEEP from conservatives calling out Bush.

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

I vividly recall when liberals were in power over 30 years ago. That was a LONG time ago Immie. There was never ANY talk about debt. You know why Immie? Because liberals PAID for what they spent.

Ronald Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

Liberalism is an antonym of authoritarianism.

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

Liberals ruled this country from FDR to LBJ. Then Nixon and Reagan ushered in the conservative era.

The first thing authoritarians do is create gulags and lock people up...

Conservatives built the BIGGEST Nanny State in the history of the world...

 

[Uncensored2008]

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

His statement might actually be true.

The thing is that Bgfrn and the democrats are not liberals - not even in the same universe as liberals. Bgfrn is a leftist.

Leftists are authoritarian. democrats are clearly authoritarian and under the tutelage of Barack Obama verge on totalitarian. Central planning requires the authority to implement said plans. Under the rule of Obama, the IRS and NSA help to enforce the will of the state.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Medicare Part D is a PERFECT example of conservatism.

Ah yes, back to your Humpty Dumpty style of debate, where words are fluid and mean anything you like at any given second.

Conservatives made no provision in the bill to pay for it.

Again, you simply make things up and they bear no resemblance at all to reality.

Social welfare, the socialization of charity is a leftist proposition, as socialism in general is. The concept that the state should provide medical treatment and drugs is one that would never find favor with Thomas Jefferson or Tom Payne; but Mao Tse Tung and Vlad Lenin would be major fans.

Our great lurch leftward began with Wilson, abated briefly under Reagan, and accelerated under our current ruler.

Unlike the VA and Medicaid, it forbids negotiating drug prices and it is a windfall for the pharmaceutical industry.

It is in the conservative spirit of stealing from the poor and giving to the rich.

As opposed to the Communist spirit of free and unfettered markets, eh Humpty?

 

[Foxfyre]

Just as who ran for president or vice president has nothing to do with the concepts expressed by Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, et al, neither does 'paying for something', by itself, have anything to do with conservatism or liberalism. These days what government presumes to force upon the people determines whether it is modern conservatism or liberalism.

Conservatism leaves the decision with the people to work out at the local level or in the private sector.

Liberalism makes the decision for the people whether they want it or not and enforces it however the government chooses to enforce it.

No part of Medicare was a conservative concept anymore than any other authoritarian program forced upon the people is a conservative concept.

Freedom loving people, aka conservatives, despise liberalism because it assigns us the rights we will have and takes away our choices, options, opportunities, and liberties.

 

[numan]

Leftists are authoritarian. democrats are clearly authoritarian and under the tutelage of Barack Obama verge on totalitarian. Central planning requires the authority to implement said plans. Under the rule of Obama, the IRS and NSA help to enforce the will of the state.

As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·

Republicans are always cheerleaders for the totalitarianism of the Military-Industrial Complex and its police-state mentality!!

Just look at the wasteful spending of the government ever since Reagan -- mainly under Republican administrations!!

Ever since Reagan, Presidents -- both Dems and Reps -- have been pliant tools of Swindlers in High Places.

Compared to the recent spate of Presidential go-fers, Roosevelt looks as conservative as Calvin Coolidge !!

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[Uncensored2008]

As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·

Republicans are always cheerleaders for the totalitarianism of the Military-Industrial Complex and its police-state mentality!!

Just look at the wasteful spending of the government ever since Reagan -- mainly under Republican administrations!!

Ever since Reagan, Presidents -- both Dems and Reps -- have been pliant tools of Swindlers in High Places.

Compared to the recent spate of Presidential go-fers, Roosevelt looks as conservative as Calvin Coolidge !!

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Yeah;

Not much to argue with there, sadly...

 

[Foxfyre]

As if there are any essential differences between Republicans and Democrats in any of these respects !! · ·

Republicans are always cheerleaders for the totalitarianism of the Military-Industrial Complex and its police-state mentality!!

Just look at the wasteful spending of the government ever since Reagan -- mainly under Republican administrations!!

Ever since Reagan, Presidents -- both Dems and Reps -- have been pliant tools of Swindlers in High Places.

Compared to the recent spate of Presidential go-fers, Roosevelt looks as conservative as Calvin Coolidge !!

.

Yeah;

Not much to argue with there, sadly...

Which goes back to the partisan and/or ideological blame game.

Conservatives, as they are defined in American now, such as yourself and others here, are able to separate concepts of Democrat and Republican or other finger pointing from the principles of the concepts themselves. We can define the terms and discuss the pros and cons of each without engaging in personalities or any other form of blame game.

Liberals, as they are defined in America now, cannot do that.

 

[thanatos144]

If we are going to assign ideology to party I will gladly be associated with the party that freed slaves and the republic (republicans ) Over the party of slavery , Jim crow laws, Segregation, the KKK, Welfare the new slavery, Socialism, and instituted racism. (democrats)



Lets not forget JFK voted against civil rights....LBJ said he would get those ******* voting democrat for decades.

 

[Immanuel]

Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are, if being in the business of politics makes one a politician, but they are a vanishing breed.

Uncensored brought that to my attention, but I don't know that I agree with you in regards to Rand Paul and despite the fact that Paul Ryan was the VP candidate last year I don't know that I can say I know all that much about him. I was not a Romney/Ryan supporter. I refused to vote for the "lesser of two evils" especially when it was not clear which of the two were the lesser.

Immie

My definition of a modern American conservative is somebody who sees the responsibility of the federal government is to secure our rights, put just enough regulation into effect to allow the various states to function as one country and to prevent us from doing physical, economic, and/or environmental viiolence to each other. Then the federal government is to leave us strictly alone to form whatever sort of society we wish to have and live our lives as we choose. Both Rand Paul and Paul Ryan understand that concept. It has nothing at all to do with who ran for President.

What I said about Paul Rand is that I do not know enough about him to say one way or the other.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

May I ask how many Hail Marys that lie will cost you?

Liberals have ruled this land since before I was born and I was born during Kennedy's Presidency. But liberalism always blames the other guy.

Immie

His statement might actually be true.

The thing is that Bgfrn and the democrats are not liberals - not even in the same universe as liberals. Bgfrn is a leftist.

Leftists are authoritarian. democrats are clearly authoritarian and under the tutelage of Barack Obama verge on totalitarian. Central planning requires the authority to implement said plans. Under the rule of Obama, the IRS and NSA help to enforce the will of the state.

I won't disagree with that. Early in this thread I stated I was speaking about progressives. I think the conversation slipped to liberals, but we are speaking of the extremes on both sides.

Immie