Zone1 Why do members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Baptize for the Dead?

[GLASNOST]

You don’t know what a strawman argument is

... and you're not going to tell me. You are a typical tramtarian.

 

[Robert W]

Mormons in your country don’t have to join the army. So, you are lying.

Nobody today is forced to join the Army. I, also a Mormon as was my uncle Don and both he and I got drafted into the Army of the USA. We are not the church you think you are talking about. Hitler treated LDS when he was the dictator as poorly as other religions and put a lot of us into his jails.

 

[Cougarbear]

... and you're not going to tell me. You are a typical tramtarian.

Look it up

 

[GLASNOST]

Nobody today is forced to join the Army.

Who's talking about being forced to join the Army?

I, also a Mormon as was my uncle Don and both he and I got drafted into the Army of the USA.

I guess it's you who is talking about being forced to join the Army.

Hitler treated LDS when he was the dictator as poorly as other religions and put a lot of us into his jails.

What's that got to do with the subject or with anything I said?

We are not the church you think you are talking about.

You have a comprehension problem. Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it? Jeese! Read the posts here and respond to what is written - not to some imagination you are nurturing.

 

[GLASNOST]

You don’t know what a strawman argument is

... and you're not going to tell me. You are a typical tramtarian.

Look it up

Why should I do that? I didn't ask you what it means. I assume it's a compliment. That's good enough.

 

[ding]

Mormons in your country don’t have to join the army. So, you are lying.

I don't know about YOUR faith, but in my faith, it's basically the honor system. We don't have hall monitors or anything. Besides we can always choose to disobey, right? It's not like our faith is going to chop off a hand or anything like that.

 

[ding]

Who's talking about being forced to join the Army?

I guess it's you who is talking about being forced to join the Army.

What's that got to do with the subject or with anything I said?

You have a comprehension problem. Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it? Jeese! Read the posts here and respond to what is written - not to some imagination you are nurturing.

Why should I do that? I didn't ask you what it means. I assume it's a compliment. That's good enough.

You are boring AF.

 

[Robert W]

You have a comprehension problem. Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it? Jeese! Read the posts here and respond to what is written - not to some imagination you are nurturing.

Of course, you used that scheme to dodge what you were told by me. I gave you two examples of we LDS being in the Army. The Church in fact had nothing to say about it. Never said don't get drafted or do not join. You were told you are discussing some other church not the LDS.

 

[GLASNOST]

Who's talking about being forced to join the Army? I guess it's you who is talking about being forced to join the Army. Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it? Jeese! Read the posts here and respond to what is written - not to some imagination you are nurturing.

Of course, you used that scheme to dodge what you were told by me. I gave you two examples of we LDS being in the Army. The Church in fact had nothing to say about it. Never said don't get drafted or do not join. You were told you are discussing some other church not the LDS.

Do you not understand English? Are you not on this earth? Read post #117,

 

[Robert W]

Do you not understand English? Are you not on this earth? Read post #117,

Oh, so you are that kind of person. You were carefully informed by me, a genuine LDS who served int the military that our church does not seek to prevent us from being in the military. My Mormon cousin Phil was in the Air Force as was a different cousin.; We all were LDS since one died in the past.

 

[GLASNOST]

Oh, so you are that kind of person. Of course, you used that scheme to dodge ...

You are really stupid!

Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it?

YES or NO is all that is required. Can you do that or are you forbidden to answer such questions? I must warn you, though, that once you've answered that simple question the coup de grâce will be at hand. Let's see what sort of "dodge scheme" you're going to try.

 

[Robert W]

You are really stupid!

YES or NO is all that is required. Can you do that or are you forbidden to answer such questions? I must warn you, though, that once you've answered that simple question the coup de grâce will be at hand. Let's see what sort of "dodge scheme" you're going to try.

YES dummy. Must I repeat it ten more times?

 

[GLASNOST]

Does the Mormon Church allow you to join the Army and fight & kill ..... or doesn't it? YES or NO is all that is required. Can you do that or are you forbidden to answer such questions?

YES dummy. Must I repeat it ten more times?

So, Mormons think it's OK to kill people for national reasons and even to be proud of it. Some God you guys have. You look more like devil worshippers. Yes, the Mormon Church is a Cult. I've said it from the beginning. And when Mormons from other countries kill you, your kin, and your countrymen they are heros in the eyes of the Mormon Church. That's wonderful.

 

[Meriweather]

For proxy baptism for the dead spirits, we aren’t forcing anyone to accept it.

Exactly. You have so little respect and faith in your own ordinance it doesn't matter to you that it is rejected and scorned by those upon who force it. You don't treat this ordinance as sacred, you don't care one whit about who receives it....Mickey Mouse is baptized as readily as any Pope or Holocaust victim. However, it sure makes you feel good, doesn't it. It's not about anyone else, it's about you. It has nothing to do with Christ, it's all about your power of seeing yourselves as being able to override the faith of others. In the past, the same person has been proxy-baptized any number of times, which shows the lack of faith you have in your own ordinances, emphasizing it's all about the members of the LDS church, their personal feelings, and the scorn you hold for others not of your faith. This screams your own lack of faith in Jesus and his might. For you, the LDS church is the almighty, which is why I want nothing to do with you.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are really stupid!

YES or NO is all that is required. Can you do that or are you forbidden to answer such questions? I must warn you, though, that once you've answered that simple question the coup de grâce will be at hand. Let's see what sort of "dodge scheme" you're going to try.

The Church doesn't allow or disallow us to do anything. We aren't like Muslims. If you are LDS and want to join the army, you don't have to ask the Church for their approval. If you don't want to join the army, you aren't going to be asked why aren't you joining the army. The Church doesn't care either way. Enough of your stupid questions
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[Cougarbear]

Exactly. You have so little respect and faith in your own ordinance it doesn't matter to you that it is rejected and scorned by those upon who force it. You don't treat this ordinance as sacred, you don't care one whit about who receives it....Mickey Mouse is baptized as readily as any Pope or Holocaust victim. However, it sure makes you feel good, doesn't it. It's not about anyone else, it's about you. It has nothing to do with Christ, it's all about your power of seeing yourselves as being able to override the faith of others. In the past, the same person has been proxy-baptized any number of times, which shows the lack of faith you have in your own ordinances, emphasizing it's all about the members of the LDS church, their personal feelings, and the scorn you hold for others not of your faith. This screams your own lack of faith in Jesus and his might. For you, the LDS church is the almighty, which is why I want nothing to do with you.

You are now being idiotic. Almost like those with TDS. Way out of whack! Whacky Meriweather. We are sealing families together for all eternity. That is as sacred and caring as you can get. It's you who wants to keep families apart forever due to this LDS Derangement Syndrome.

Now, when the spirits of the dead are baptized and sealed with their families who also have accepted the true Gospel, when they are resurrected, they will reside with the Father and the Son. So, we absolutely make it about Jesus Christ. Those who are baptized by water are given this with this blessing, "Name of person, having been commissioned of JESUS CHRIST, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen." And, for the Spirit or gift of the Holy Ghost and membership into the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, "(state name of the recipient), by the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood, I lay my hands upon your head and say unto, receive ye the Holy Ghost." (then give a blessing - then close) I do this in the name of JESUS CHRIST, amen.

Now, with the computer system we have, people are only proxy baptized once. That's it. One faith, one Lord and one baptism by one who has the authority to baptize. You don't. Your priests don't. Your Pope doesn't have the authority of Jesus Christ or the Father. In the past, if someone was proxy baptized more than once, it was only because it was unknown to the persons who did the baptism after the first one was done.

The purpose of the Father and Son is to "bring to past, the immortality and eternal life of mankind." We, as members, do the work that the Godhead instructs us to do out of love for our Father in Heaven, the Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. We do this work because we understand that we are all brothers and sisters born spirits first in the pre-earth life. and we love each other. We love our fellow man and thus help those who can't help themselves get the necessary earthly done ordinances through vicarious works. We baptize and do all the exalting ordinances for those who are waiting for their work to be done in the spirit world because we know all will be resurrected. And, as Paul stated, that's why we baptize for the dead because the dead will again be joined with their physical bodies and will be judged with 3 mansions in heaven to go to, Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial. Only those who are baptized will go to the Celestial World of Heaven. The Kingdom of God.

Jesus said do all things in his name. Why is the name of your church not the Church of Jesus Christ? Why is it the Roman's Church? Something as simple to do in Jesus Christ's name like naming a church you can't even do right. What kind of faith is that? NOT! Oh ye of little faith. Just anger, hatred, LDS Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Robert W]

So, Mormons think it's OK to kill people for national reasons and even to be proud of it. Some God you guys have. You look more like devil worshippers. Yes, the Mormon Church is a Cult. I've said it from the beginning. And when Mormons from other countries kill you, your kin, and your countrymen they are heros in the eyes of the Mormon Church. That's wonderful.

We believe in accepting the laws of the nation we are in. Your wild imagination is ripping you apart.

Yes, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are allowed to join the military, and military service is generally viewed as honorable within the church.

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• Individual Choice: The Church does not mandate or prohibit military service; it emphasizes personal agency and the importance of obeying the laws of the land. Members are encouraged to make their own decisions regarding military service based on their beliefs and circumstances.
  
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• Support for Service Members: The Church provides resources and support for members who choose to serve in the military. This includes guidance on how to balance military obligations with religious practices, such as attending church services and adhering to the Word of Wisdom, which prohibits certain substances.
  
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[Meriweather]

You are now being idiotic.

Grin. See. You are reduced to name calling. You were of the Jewish faith, which calls one to put God first . Then you became Catholic which calls us to love and serve God in the Way Jesus taught. You rejected that faith as well. For what? For a faith that promises you, too, can become God. It's called Deification. Christianity believes One God...there is no other. Judaism believes our primary purpose is to serve God, not become God. When you can't get people to bow to LDS in this life, in your own minds, you must force them in the next.

You mentioned computers. In other words LDS could now have a computer base where one can submit their names from ever being proxy "baptized". I call on you to set this up immediately.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Church doesn't allow or disallow us to do anything. We aren't like Muslims. If you are LDS and want to join the army, you don't have to ask the Church for their approval. If you don't want to join the army, you aren't going to be asked why aren't you joining the army. The Church doesn't care either way.

So, your God doesn't dissuade killing people for their nationality. I assume that is why so many murderers are Mormons for a variety of personal reasons too: money, jealousy, greed, etc.

Enough of your stupid questions

My post was a rhetorical question, not a stupid one .... in other words, a statement. You avoided acknowledging the truth so I had to "ask" the question until you were forced to answer it for the benefit of anyone reading this thread. I already knew the answer. Good, you finally admitted it. So, unless there is some undisclosed justification for murder then Mormonism is a cult, a Satanic cult. Does Mormonism offer you a justification for nationalist murder? Are you taught that God recognises nations and that certain citizens of them deserved to be killed by you merely for being from another country?

 

[Cougarbear]

Grin. See. You are reduced to name calling. You were of the Jewish faith, which calls one to put God first . Then you became Catholic which calls us to love and serve God in the Way Jesus taught. You rejected that faith as well. For what? For a faith that promises you, too, can become God. It's called Deification. Christianity believes One God...there is no other. Judaism believes our primary purpose is to serve God, not become God. When you can't get people to bow to LDS in this life, in your own minds, you must force them in the next.

You mentioned computers. In other words LDS could now have a computer base where one can submit their names from ever being proxy "baptized". I call on you to set this up immediately.

Grin all you want but you keep putting your foot in your mouth by continuous lying. I've never been Catholic. I taught at a Catholic school and observed all sorts of good people doing good things but the clergy not so much. Yes, Judaism and Catholicism is based on Faith. So is LDS. It's all based on Faith and more so than Catholics, Faith in Christ as we do all things in Christ's name. All. You don't. Can't even name your church in His name. LOL!

You again mix up faith in Christ with the doctrine of Christ. The doctrine is what motivates us to gain more faith in Christ. We set goals based on the Doctrine and with our faith in Christ seek to do the will of the Father. To bring to past the immortality and eternal life of mankind. What you lack is the understanding of what eternal life is and looks like. You have no one to explain this to you. So, you just hope its good. I sure hope it's not sitting on clouds strumming harps for eternity. So, let me ask you, why are you doing all this? For what? What does your church teach that will go on once we are resurrected and sent to our mansions? What does your church teach you about those many mansions like Celestial, Terrestrial..... Nothing! But, those spirits in spirit prison are learning what you have not learned. What eternal life will be like. But, they must be baptized with correct authority by water and by the spirit. So, by our Faith in Christ, we know what we do in the temples of the Lord is to give to them love through getting their ordinance work done for them. We do this for them. Not for our reward. That will be up to the Godhead. There are three members of the Godhead and they are separate beings. Two with bodies of flesh and bone and one of spirit only.

As for your last paragraph, this fits my earlier statement, you're being idiotic. No, baptism is for those with bodies, not a computer. Uggg...really idiotic.