Then it must not be as important as you claim it is, right? If it were as important as you say it is, exceptions would not have been made.
Did you even read what I posted about this??? No one is being disingenuous except you. The article stated clearly the restrictions were for holocaust victims and survivors. That's it. We have been clear and still remain clear that eventually, everyone will in fact be baptized by one with the correct authority of the Melchizedek or Aaronic Priesthood. The vast majority will not until the Millennium when Jesus stops the wars and we are able to build thousands of temples to do this work.
Someone needs to tell Google that.
We never limit God's power. I for instance have many times, outside of Church doctrine, spoke of the creation of the universe, including living and non-living things, as his creations. Baptism for the dead was magnificently dealt with by two other church members, and it is no secret. They were very open with your questions or statements in fact. Both discuss it pretty completely.
Then they ought to publish the number of proxy baptisms they have performed because according to a couple of members here it's not limited to relatives only. The numbers would provide a reality check on whether they were being honest about what they are doing.
Would you please actually read this! Mormons (Latter-day Saints PRIMARILY perform proxy baptisms for their own deceased family members...And yes, there are restrictions. But, very little. Why? Because we have 20 million members doing genealogy for their family members! Most will try to do the work for at least 4 generations. Reality is, most never get done by family members. So, they send the names all over the world to temples to do the work that isn't completed by family members. So in other words, I would not submit your name or someone in your family unless you said to before you died. It should be done by family members. But, the actual baptisms and other rites in the temple, the baptism by fire, is done by non-family members. So, the "No Non-Relatives section is not well stated. Non-relatives can do the work if the the genealogy is done and submitted by a family member. Hope you understand better. But, the fact is, when the retarded laws of our country are no longer in the Millennium, all the work will get done. Any man-made government will not stop the Lord who will be over all the earth.
Yes the thief was promised that he would be with Jesus that very day in paradise. My point was that Jesus never ascended to heaven on that day but went among the spirits of the dead to preach his gospel. Therefore the paradise spoken of was not heaven and the only place the thief could have been with Jesus was among the spirits of the dead. Jesus told Mary that he hand not yet ascended to his Father who is in heaven. Paradise is also a condition of happiness and peace. The Thief, accepting Jesus, joined him among the righteous dead who were in a state of happiness and peace knowing they would gain the kingdom of God. I never claimed that the thief would be denied heaven. My point was that he was not with Jesus in heaven on the day Jesus promised him paradise. They practiced baptism for the dead in the days of the apostles per 1 Corinthians 15:29 and thus the thief could very well have received it. We don't have the records of those baptized for the dead from those days but it is definitely a probability since some of the apostles were probably there when Jesus spoke these words to the thief on the cross.
That sounds like weasel words for you are going to proxy baptize everyone.
10. Herr Pettersson’s NDE
Herr Pettersson was also permitted to visit the spirit world and discovered, much to his surprise, that even the worst in heaven exceeded the best on Earth.
To Herr Pettersson the world of spirits resembled the material world. There were many countries, or “Kingdoms.” There were cities and villages, temples and palaces, flowers and animals of great beauty and variety. The people were very busy. Some were preaching on street corners and in assembly halls, and all had great congregations.
“Who are they?” Herr Pettersson asked (referring to the preachers)?
“They,” his guide answered, “belong to the church of the First born, and they have been sent here to be ministering spirits to those who shall yet becoming heirs of salvation.”
“I am afraid,” stammered Herr Pettersson, “that I do not comprehend you. Are we not in heaven? How can the world of salvation be preached here?”
“No brother!” the guide replied, “We are not in what mortals call heaven! This is Hades.”
Pettersson was ultimately permitted to visit “heaven” and its indescribable beauty. While there, he discovered that heaven also has multiple levels, and inhabitation of each level is contingent on one’s diligence on Earth and in heaven.
But no matter what level or city a person qualifies for, each city is so superior to any on Earth that it is indescribable, and each succeeding realm is indescribably better than that immediately below it. It seems that the assignment to a specific city is contingent on the actions and attitudes of the individual while on Earth. The key that opens the gate to a specific city of light is the ability to dwell in the light of that city, and this evidently depends on behaviors during Earth life.
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You had it explained to you. Not sure why you are concerned with the dead.
I'm concerned about the truth. God is truth.
If you want to be helpful maybe you can clear up what other ordinances are being done for the dead. Care to explain that one for me?
Don't worry, no LDS will sneak up to your coffin and baptize themselves in your name.
All I know about is baptisms performed for the dead.
But it's more than just baptism, right?
If that were all that is being done then how could they have their eternal families? That requires the ordinance of exhalation, right? Which requires five ordinances, not just baptism.
You are just arguing to argue. Not learn. I'm a member and know this in and out. The word Primarily means that there are other instances that are done as well. Secondary reasons and others. Like I said, it doesn't contradict the website at all. We have agreed not to do famous people without their family approving of this to be done. But, again, there are two things you are confused about: 1. genealogy 2. proxy works (baptisms, endowments, washing and annointings and sealings. There is nothing stopping me from doing genealogy for someone famous or involved with the Holocaust. Anyone can do this. It's not against the law. But, the Church has agreed to not perform the proxy works unless family members approve of it. But, that doesn't mean that I can't perform proxy works for those other than my direct family ancestors. I can and I still do as long as a family member approves of it. Got it.
